Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] use of the Space key
Hi, Asif Lodhi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What about giving us a configurable option to configure any one or > both of these facilities? Making things configurable is a bad thing to do. Every new configuration option that is being added doubles the amount of possible configurations. This makes it impossible to test all possible configurations and increases the likelihood of bugs. It also makes it a lot more difficult to document the program. I am not completely opposed to adding more configuration options and from a programmer's point of view it's a trivial task but I think we should try very hard to avoid options. And if we absolutely need them, we should at least try to come up with reasonable defaults. In order to come to a conclusion here, we should probably try to implement a couple of options and actually try them. Backed up by such tests, it will be a lot easier to decide. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] use of the Space key
> From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 02:14:44 > +0200 > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Cc: gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] use of the Space key > > > Because I tried it and I made the experience that it pressing a key > with the second hand disturbs the workflow less than to switch mouse > buttons. But perhaps this needs actual user testing. > > > Sven What about giving us a configurable option to configure any one or both of these facilities? -- Best regards Asif Lodhi ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] use of the Space key
> From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 02:14:44 > +0200 > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Cc: gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] use of the Space key > > > Because I tried it and I made the experience that it pressing a key > with the second hand disturbs the workflow less than to switch mouse > buttons. But perhaps this needs actual user testing. > > > Sven What about giving us a configurable option to configure any one or both of these facilities? -- Best regards Asif Lodhi ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] use of the Space key
Tom Williams writes: > I'm in the same boat in that I didn't "discover" the current space bar > behavior and now that I know about it, I think it's great. The reason I > didn't discover it is purely because I never thought to press the space > bar at all. I don't even have that excuse. I press the spacebar all the time: I use it as a no-op to make that image active (so Layers and other dialogs will correspond to that image). I had dimly noticed that "something changes in gimp windows" when I pressed it, but I never thought to hold it down and really look at what was changing. My only excuse is that I think of space as an autorepeating character key, something I shouldn't hold down unless I want some discrete action to happen repeatedly. If discoverability is the problem, might it help to make it one of the startup tips? That's probably worthwhile regardless of which behavior ends up being bound to spacebar; spacebar to pan is no more discoverable than spacebar to move (I'd be surprised if most people who use a spacebar panner in any other program discovered it on their own). I bet there are lots of other tips like that which would make good startup tips. Is http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/FortuneCookies a good place to collect such tips, or does that just reflect the current checked-in list? Would it be better to add tip suggestions as a patch in a bug? ...Akkana ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] use of the Space key
Hello, Why not use another key (or key combination) for that function ? Maybe it's not Photoshop's behavior, but Gimp's not really just a Photoshop's clone... Pierre-Alexis. __ --- Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit: > Hi, > > Akkana Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Spacebar to switch temporarily to move is awfully > useful. I didn't > > know about it until this discussion, but I've > often wanted something > > like that > > See, that is exactly my point. The feature is not > discoverable and it > might make sense to exchange it for something which > is probably at > least as useful but wider known. > > > I'm forever switching between move and something > else, > > for instance when I'm creating lots of different > text layers and > > need to position each one. > > That's just a missing feature in the text tool. Of > course the text > tool should allow you to move text layers. > > > Do a lot of gimp users not have a middle mouse > button? Maybe tablet > > users who don't want to put down the stylus and > switch to a mouse? > > (That would be understandable.) Or is this just > because ... that > > other program does it that way, and its users are > used to it? > > Because I tried it and I made the experience that it > pressing a key > with the second hand disturbs the workflow less than > to switch mouse > buttons. But perhaps this needs actual user testing. > > > Sven > ___ > Gimp-user mailing list > Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user > _ Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidéos ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] use of the Space key
Sven Neumann wrote: Spacebar to switch temporarily to move is awfully useful. I didn't know about it until this discussion, but I've often wanted something like that See, that is exactly my point. The feature is not discoverable and it might make sense to exchange it for something which is probably at least as useful but wider known. I'm in the same boat in that I didn't "discover" the current space bar behavior and now that I know about it, I think it's great. The reason I didn't discover it is purely because I never thought to press the space bar at all. I've got no issue with changing the behavior of the space bar but the main point is I didn't know about the behavior associated with the space bar because I never thought to press the space bar, regardless of the functionality associated with it/ Peace... Tom ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] use of the Space key
Hi, Akkana Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Spacebar to switch temporarily to move is awfully useful. I didn't > know about it until this discussion, but I've often wanted something > like that See, that is exactly my point. The feature is not discoverable and it might make sense to exchange it for something which is probably at least as useful but wider known. > I'm forever switching between move and something else, > for instance when I'm creating lots of different text layers and > need to position each one. That's just a missing feature in the text tool. Of course the text tool should allow you to move text layers. > Do a lot of gimp users not have a middle mouse button? Maybe tablet > users who don't want to put down the stylus and switch to a mouse? > (That would be understandable.) Or is this just because ... that > other program does it that way, and its users are used to it? Because I tried it and I made the experience that it pressing a key with the second hand disturbs the workflow less than to switch mouse buttons. But perhaps this needs actual user testing. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
