Re: [Gimp-user] Moving text while typing it.
Hi, On Sun, 2008-11-16 at 20:35 -0200, John Coppens wrote: > So, I confirm Dotan's report. My WM is xfce 4.4.2, if that influences > things. (X11 is xorg 7.4) Then your window manager is broken in a similar way. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Moving text while typing it.
2008/11/17 John Coppens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > So, I confirm Dotan's report. My WM is xfce 4.4.2, if that influences > things. (X11 is xorg 7.4) > I should have mentioned: Gimp 2.4.6 Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 3.5.10 -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Moving text while typing it.
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:03:40 +0100 Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 2008-11-16 at 10:02 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > 2008/11/15 Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> If I click the canvas on the in the text field, then I can move the > > >> text field with the arrow keys, but I still cannot drag it with the > > >> mouse. > > > > > > Why not? Works just fine here. > > > > > > > I really do not know why not. I am on a pretty stock Kubuntu 8.04 (KDE > > 3.5.10) installation, with proprietary ATI video drivers. > > Then your window manager is definitely misbehaving. The text editor > dialog is transient to the image window. It is not a modal dialog. If it > was modal, that would explain the behavior you are seeing. Perhaps your > window manager implements transient dialogs as modal? I suggest that you > file a bug report against your window manager. I'm not sure which version of GIMP you are talking about. I have 2.4.7, and even though the text editor isn't modal, I cannot move the text. The cursor remain in the 'edit' shape (double T) even when over the drawing. Clicking on the text doesn't do anything, outside the text starts a new one (as described). To be able to move the text, I have to select the move tool, which, of course, closes the text tool. I had been considering sending an RFE about this too. So, I confirm Dotan's report. My WM is xfce 4.4.2, if that influences things. (X11 is xorg 7.4) John ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Moving text while typing it.
2008/11/16 Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Then your window manager is definitely misbehaving. The text editor > dialog is transient to the image window. It is not a modal dialog. If it > was modal, that would explain the behavior you are seeing. Perhaps your > window manager implements transient dialogs as modal? I suggest that you > file a bug report against your window manager. > Actually, I have been having problems with Compiz recently. After a reinstall that I plan for the next few weeks I will see if the problem returns and I will file bugs as appropriate. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Moving text while typing it.
Hi, On Sun, 2008-11-16 at 10:02 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/11/15 Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> If I click the canvas on the in the text field, then I can move the > >> text field with the arrow keys, but I still cannot drag it with the > >> mouse. > > > > Why not? Works just fine here. > > > > I really do not know why not. I am on a pretty stock Kubuntu 8.04 (KDE > 3.5.10) installation, with proprietary ATI video drivers. Then your window manager is definitely misbehaving. The text editor dialog is transient to the image window. It is not a modal dialog. If it was modal, that would explain the behavior you are seeing. Perhaps your window manager implements transient dialogs as modal? I suggest that you file a bug report against your window manager. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Moving text while typing it.
2008/11/15 Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> If I click the canvas on the in the text field, then I can move the >> text field with the arrow keys, but I still cannot drag it with the >> mouse. > > Why not? Works just fine here. > I really do not know why not. I am on a pretty stock Kubuntu 8.04 (KDE 3.5.10) installation, with proprietary ATI video drivers. Anything else that might be affecting this? Should I try to build from Trunk and confirm the issue in a more recent version? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Moving text while typing it.
Hi, On Sat, 2008-11-15 at 16:04 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > After more experimentation, I see that this is the situation: > If I click the canvas outside the text field, then the Gimp Text > Editor window gets focus and I cannot move the text with the keyboard > (nor the mouse, because I was not clicking on the text field). If you are clicking outside the text, then you are creating a new text layer. Of course the text tool can only move the currently active text. > If I click the canvas on the in the text field, then I can move the > text field with the arrow keys, but I still cannot drag it with the > mouse. Why not? Works just fine here. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Moving text while typing it.
2008/11/15 Martin Nordholts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dotan Cohen wrote: >> 2008/11/15 Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> Excellent, thanks! However, the more general question stands: do the >> Gimp devs take kindly to feature requests regarding the usability of >> Gimp's tools? Or should I not even bother and waste their time? >> > > The developers appreciate high quality usability feedback which should > go to the gimp-developer mailing list. We don't like people to file > enhancement request to the bug tracker before they have been discussed > on the mailing list however. > Thanks, Martin. I will consider signing up at that list. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Moving text while typing it.
I thought that was just because I was using the MAC version. Actually, I find I can only move the text with the arrow keys while any use of the mouse closes the box to editing regardless of where one clicks. On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:04:38 +0200, "Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/11/15 Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> Thanks, Sven. It seems that on my system (Kubuntu 8.04) one must close >>> the window labeled "Gimp Text Editor" in order to move the text. >> >> I don't see why you would have to close that window in order to move the >> text. What keeps you from moving the text if the text editor window is >> open? >> > > After more experimentation, I see that this is the situation: > If I click the canvas outside the text field, then the Gimp Text > Editor window gets focus and I cannot move the text with the keyboard > (nor the mouse, because I was not clicking on the text field). If I > click the canvas on the in the text field, then I can move the text > field with the arrow keys, but I still cannot drag it with the mouse. > >> GIMP in trunk already allows on-canvas text editing. This will be in >> GIMP 2.8. >> > > Excellent, thanks! However, the more general question stands: do the > Gimp devs take kindly to feature requests regarding the usability of > Gimp's tools? Or should I not even bother and waste their time? > > ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Moving text while typing it.
Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/11/15 Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Excellent, thanks! However, the more general question stands: do the > Gimp devs take kindly to feature requests regarding the usability of > Gimp's tools? Or should I not even bother and waste their time? > The developers appreciate high quality usability feedback which should go to the gimp-developer mailing list. We don't like people to file enhancement request to the bug tracker before they have been discussed on the mailing list however. - Martin ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Moving text while typing it.
2008/11/15 Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Thanks, Sven. It seems that on my system (Kubuntu 8.04) one must close >> the window labeled "Gimp Text Editor" in order to move the text. > > I don't see why you would have to close that window in order to move the > text. What keeps you from moving the text if the text editor window is > open? > After more experimentation, I see that this is the situation: If I click the canvas outside the text field, then the Gimp Text Editor window gets focus and I cannot move the text with the keyboard (nor the mouse, because I was not clicking on the text field). If I click the canvas on the in the text field, then I can move the text field with the arrow keys, but I still cannot drag it with the mouse. > GIMP in trunk already allows on-canvas text editing. This will be in > GIMP 2.8. > Excellent, thanks! However, the more general question stands: do the Gimp devs take kindly to feature requests regarding the usability of Gimp's tools? Or should I not even bother and waste their time? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Moving text while typing it.
Hi, On Sat, 2008-11-15 at 14:07 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Thanks, Sven. It seems that on my system (Kubuntu 8.04) one must close > the window labeled "Gimp Text Editor" in order to move the text. I don't see why you would have to close that window in order to move the text. What keeps you from moving the text if the text editor window is open? > In > KolourPaint there is no separate text window, rather, the user opens a > text box in a fashion similar to the Select tool, and types directly > in it. The dimensions and placement of the text box in KolourPaint can > be dynamically resized via the mouse while the text is being edited. GIMP in trunk already allows on-canvas text editing. This will be in GIMP 2.8. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Moving text while typing it.
2008/11/15 Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > On Sat, 2008-11-15 at 02:53 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> In KDE's KolourPaint one can open the Text tool, add text, and move >> the text insert location while the text is in edit mode. How does one >> do this in Gimp? > > You open the text tool, add text and move the text using your mouse or > the cursor keys. How does one do this in KolourPaint? > Thanks, Sven. It seems that on my system (Kubuntu 8.04) one must close the window labeled "Gimp Text Editor" in order to move the text. In KolourPaint there is no separate text window, rather, the user opens a text box in a fashion similar to the Select tool, and types directly in it. The dimensions and placement of the text box in KolourPaint can be dynamically resized via the mouse while the text is being edited. Although I can use and get used to the Gimp behaviour, I prefer the intuitive and versatile method presented in KolourPaint. As I am new to Gimp, would it be a waste of developers' time to file an Enhancement Request? I know that projects like KDE love these types of usability requests, and other projects such as Mozilla hate them. In which camp does Gimp lay? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Moving text while typing it.
Hi, On Sat, 2008-11-15 at 02:53 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > In KDE's KolourPaint one can open the Text tool, add text, and move > the text insert location while the text is in edit mode. How does one > do this in Gimp? You open the text tool, add text and move the text using your mouse or the cursor keys. How does one do this in KolourPaint? Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
