Re: Complex riddle...

1999-11-23 Thread Jon Winters

Steve Rogers wrote:
 
 Rendering? not likely.

He mentions he has dabbled in 3D apps but the core of what he does is
done with photoshop.
 
 There is nothing there that indicates this at all.
 
 The transparent "gel" bubbles are a very easy effect to create in a paint
 program and the backgrounds and metallics can easily be done using masks and
 layers.

We've got to have the reflections too.  He mentions he uses the same
'stock photograph' to produce them.
 
 If anyone is really interested, I could whip up a quick tutorial how to do
 the same thing.

I'm interested for two reasons...

One: The effect is cool and I want to know how to do it.
two: The dude refuses to put up a tutorial.  We know other folks out
there want to know how so a tutorial would be a big hit.

(ok, part of me just wants to show that his 'gimmick' can be done by us
using free software)

Hope we can set a good example that sharing knowledge is better than
hoarding it. :-)

Thanks 

--
Jon Winters
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Re: Complex riddle...

1999-11-23 Thread Steve Rogers

Apparently someone got quite offended by my posting to the list that the
graphics on this web site could be easily done in a graphics package like
GIMP, even though I offereed to post a tutorial on it as well.

I thought it would be nice to contribute useful information after deleting
dozens of useless posts at Amy for someones inability to unsubscribe.

Was my comment about the graphics on this web site referenced below so
offensive that I deserved this kind of response?

the following was a portion of the exceedingly rude e-mail I got in private:

"When you call someone a liar please get your facts straight."

"cause you to to post distorted and incorrect information to the potential
detriment of
the rest of the list. Some people here might benefit from a knowledge of
rendering and
don't know much about it. You do a disservice to the list"


Is this typical of the way you people behave here? or is this individual an
exception? I am willing to do tutorials and help people, but if this is the
kind of nonsense this list generates, I won't waste my time. I have better
things to do  than be flamed by idiots.



Jon Winters wrote:

 Hi,

 I've been subscribed now for a few weeks and I'm excited about this
 list.

 Recently I ran across a web site that had some pretty impressive
 graphics. (or so I thought)

 http://www.blueskyheart.com/

 Nice stuff.  His "trademark style" of the translucent plastic or glass
 looking button/lens thingie is what really leaps off the screen and
 grabbs my attention.

 Unfortunately this guys parents didn't teach him to share and he wants
 to keep his techniques a secret.



Re: Complex riddle...

1999-11-23 Thread Steve Rogers


Okay, let me clear something up before people make too many assumptions
that are innaccurate.
I did not READ this guys site at all. I went and looked at the graphics,
and determined from a visual inspection, that there was nothing there that
could not be done in Photoshop (probably GIMP as well) without the need
for a 3D rendering package. There were maybe one or two exceptions to this,
but as I was on my way out the door when I saw this message, I was not
inclined to make long winded explanations or descriptions at the time.
regardless, the transparent "gel" and bubble effects are easy. the "plate"
backgrounds are easy and the appearance of reflections are also reasoanbly
easy without the need for a rendering package to do them.
To make a 100% definitive statement, I would need to take the time to
sit down and dissect each one individually to evaluate the steps needed
to reproduce them or a similar effect.

Jon Winters wrote:
Steve Rogers wrote:
>
> Rendering? not likely.
He mentions he has dabbled in 3D apps but the core of what he does is
done with photoshop.

Since this guy is unwilling to share his secrets, where he used
any rendering at all is rather pointless. Good technique will do virtually
everything thing that was on his site with maybe one or two exceptions.
Years ago Amiga artists created stunning graphics with Deluxe paint
that took close examination to see that they were not in fact rendered
in a 3d program they were so good. A number of images I did back then were
quite popular and distributed through the Amiga community that depicted
the different models of Amiga computers that looked rendered, I did those
in Deluxe Paint
GIMP is a far better tool than the paint programs Amiga used over a
decade ago.