[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2012-06-21 Thread CoreForce
The new save feature is not user friendly and it just kills productivity.
I can see no other purpose of it other than a political game.
Because of that, GIMP just lost me after 10+ years of heavy use.
I've switched over to Pixelmator.
Please, let me know when you are back to something more operational to 
reconsider.

Regards
CF

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[Gimp-user] Resynthesize Plugin

2012-06-21 Thread Christopher Buß

Hallo Zusammen,

ich habe ein großes Problem mit dem Resynthesize Plugin! Ich arbeite mit einem 
Windowsrechner (32-Bit) und sowohl bei Gimp Version 2.6 als auch bei 2.8 
funktioniert besagtes Plugin nicht richtig. Nach dem Auswählen eines 
Bildbereichs, klicke ich auf Filter à
Abbilden à
Resynthesize, dann auf OK. Nun füllt sich der ausgewählte Bereich entweder 
konstant mit einem Blauton, oder mit einem Muster, das immer der oberen linken 
Bildecke entnommen ist. Ich habe schon alles probiert, von Drehung des Bildes 
(Dann ändert sich natürlich die obere linke Ecke) bis zu Neuinstallation von 
Gimp. Nun meine Frage: Ist dieses Problem bekannt bzw. gibt es schon 
Lösungsvorschläge??

Grüße

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Re: [Gimp-user] Resynthesize Plugin

2012-06-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
2012/6/21 Christopher Buß :
> Hallo Zusammen,

Lieber Christopher,

In dieser Liste sprechen wir Englisch.

> ich habe ein großes Problem mit dem Resynthesize Plugin! Ich arbeite mit
> einem Windowsrechner (32-Bit) und sowohl bei Gimp Version 2.6 als auch bei
> 2.8 funktioniert besagtes Plugin nicht richtig. Nach dem Auswählen eines
> Bildbereichs, klicke ich auf Filter à Abbilden à Resynthesize, dann auf OK.
> Nun füllt sich der ausgewählte Bereich entweder konstant mit einem Blauton,
> oder mit einem Muster, das immer der oberen linken Bildecke entnommen ist.
> Ich habe schon alles probiert, von Drehung des Bildes (Dann ändert sich
> natürlich die obere linke Ecke) bis zu Neuinstallation von Gimp. Nun meine
> Frage: Ist dieses Problem bekannt bzw. gibt es schon Lösungsvorschläge??

Did you try one of the scripts that Resynthesizer comes with?
Especially the one for removing areas?

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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2012-06-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM, CoreForce wrote:

> The new save feature is not user friendly and it just kills productivity.
> I can see no other purpose of it other than a political game.
> Because of that, GIMP just lost me after 10+ years of heavy use.
> I've switched over to Pixelmator.
> Please, let me know when you are back to something more operational to 
> reconsider.

UPS delivery or email?

Alexandre Prokoudine
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Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] (no subject)

2012-06-21 Thread Michael Schumacher
> Von: Thorsten Wilms 

> On 06/21/2012 11:19 AM, Michael Schumacher wrote:
> >> Von: Ben Harrington-Ellsmore
> >>> Hi I have been trying to work out how to get Gimp to only show
> >>> fonts from the user/fonts file rather than the vast amount of
> >>> system fonts can anyone point me at the code section I need to
> >>> start mucking about with?

> I think you should read the original mail again. Hint: "system fonts not 
> shown" is not the problem, but the desired outcome.

Ah, thanks for the hint. I have accidentally read a "not" into the original 
mail, thus it became "to get Gimp to *not* only show fonts from the user/fonts 
file"



The configuration to check is the fonconfig settings then, for example the  the 
global, system-wide fonts.conf file. It may contain references to the global 
font directories, for example

/usr/share/fonts
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts

(taken from http://www.freedesktop.org/software/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html)

If you comment those out, then you can (and have to) add all font directories 
in GIMP's settings, for example.


HTH,
Michael
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[Gimp-user] GIMP 2.8 less productive than GIMP 2.6 (too many dialogue boxes)

2012-06-21 Thread Coocoocoo Coo
To: GIMP devs and users


Having recently made the upgrade to GIMP 2.8, it's immediately obvious to me as 
a long time user that GIMP is now a far less productive application. Some 
aspects that I find particularly obtrusive:

-> The "Export" vs Save implementation: this alone already made me go back to 
2.6, at least until this "feature" is made optional or removed from GIMP 
altogether. Previously, all I had to do to save an image in any desired format 
after editing it, was to use "Save as" exactly as I would in any other program; 
now I have to go through multiple dialogue windows and manually select the same 
options ALL THE TIME (such as the dreadful "Do Not write colour space 
information" for BMPs), since they aren't assumed by GIMP for future 
operations. Even something that should be as simple as a quick modification 
followed by a CTRL+S to overwrite the same image in its own native format has 
become an headache.

-> When saving (pardon me, "exporting") images to JPG, the advanced options 
dialogue DOES NOT assume the defaults as selected by the user after clicking on 
"Save Defaults"; instead, it expects the user to click on "Load Defaults" ALL 
THE TIME! How obtuse can this be ? I don't want to have to manually load my 
defaults ALL THE TIME, that's as much troublesome and time consuming as just 
selecting those same options myself ALL THE TIME. If I have a "Save Defaults" 
option, what I want it to do is exactly what it says - GIMP *automatically* 
assuming those options the next time I get to save an image as JPG. That's what 
"defaults" in computer programs means.

The way I see it, a computer application improves when it gets more intuitive 
and faster to use. Alas, this is not the case with such GIMP implementations as 
the above ones. Having to do the same operations while using more time and more 
steps than before is not an improvement - it's a step backwards. 

If it's your desire to keep this kind of counter-productive "features" in place 
to cater for people who can't use a computer correctly and thus need all those 
repetitive dialogue boxes and safety checks just as the typical Windows 
initiate needs to go through multiple "Yes/No" buttons just to copy, move or 
delete a file (because he'd otherwise ruin his own work, out of his own 
inepcy), then at least PLEASE make them optional in the next version or a patch 
so that experienced users can get them out of the way and get their GIMP 
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP 2.8 less productive than GIMP 2.6 (too many dialogue boxes)

2012-06-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Coocoocoo Coo wrote:

> -> When saving (pardon me, "exporting") images to JPG, the advanced options
> dialogue DOES NOT assume the defaults as selected by the user after clicking
> on "Save Defaults"; instead, it expects the user to click on "Load Defaults"
> ALL THE TIME!

This bug has already been fixed. v2.8.1 will have that fix.

Thank you for not shouting.

Alexandre Prokoudine
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2012-06-21 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine
 wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM, CoreForce wrote:
>
>> The new save feature is not user friendly and it just kills productivity.
>> I can see no other purpose of it other than a political game.
>> Because of that, GIMP just lost me after 10+ years of heavy use.
>> I've switched over to Pixelmator.
>> Please, let me know when you are back to something more operational to 
>> reconsider.
>
> UPS delivery or email?

Please, don't be rude to such an esteemed and valuable former member
of this community. A personal visit is the only satisfactory solution
here, after all, where would open source software be if less people
used it?
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2012-06-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:28 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:

>> UPS delivery or email?
>
> Please, don't be rude to such an esteemed and valuable former member
> of this community. A personal visit is the only satisfactory solution
> here

Now I'm getting confused: which of us two is being ironic?

> after all, where would open source software be if less people
> used it?

Consider this. Over a decade GIMP has been having millions of users
and just a handful of developers. What's going to change if more
people overreact, issue silly accusations and slam the door? Give me
the worst scenario you can think of.

This is free software. People do it for fun. We respect your opinions,
even when you disagree with us, and we are eager to adjust things to
make users happier, but there's no way you can force us to do
anything. We are not your hostages, and we don't work on your terms.

Alexandre
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2012-06-21 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine
 wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:28 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>
>>> UPS delivery or email?
>>
>> Please, don't be rude to such an esteemed and valuable former member
>> of this community. A personal visit is the only satisfactory solution
>> here
>
> Now I'm getting confused: which of us two is being ironic?
>
>> after all, where would open source software be if less people
>> used it?
>
> Consider this. Over a decade GIMP has been having millions of users
> and just a handful of developers. What's going to change if more
> people overreact, issue silly accusations and slam the door? Give me
> the worst scenario you can think of.
>
> This is free software. People do it for fun. We respect your opinions,
> even when you disagree with us, and we are eager to adjust things to
> make users happier, but there's no way you can force us to do
> anything. We are not your hostages, and we don't work on your terms.
>
My point precisely =). Sorry, I think my email was taken the wrong
way, since I wrote it in the same spirit as your initial reply (would
have thought 'personal visit' would give it away).

I'm not for or against the new change to save/export (I use inkscape,
and I'm used to that), but then again I've been using the new version
for ages just to get the single-window mode (for which I and every
other tiling WM user will be forever thankful).

You're doing a great job, don't let the trolls get you down.
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2012-06-21 Thread Owen

> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine
>  wrote:
>> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:28 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>>
 UPS delivery or email?
>>>
>>> Please, don't be rude to such an esteemed and valuable former
>>> member
>>> of this community. A personal visit is the only satisfactory
>>> solution
>>> here
>>
>> Now I'm getting confused: which of us two is being ironic?
>>
>>> after all, where would open source software be if less people
>>> used it?
>>
>> Consider this. Over a decade GIMP has been having millions of users
>> and just a handful of developers. What's going to change if more
>> people overreact, issue silly accusations and slam the door? Give me
>> the worst scenario you can think of.
>>
>> This is free software. People do it for fun. We respect your
>> opinions,
>> even when you disagree with us, and we are eager to adjust things to
>> make users happier, but there's no way you can force us to do
>> anything. We are not your hostages, and we don't work on your terms.
>>
> My point precisely =). Sorry, I think my email was taken the wrong
> way, since I wrote it in the same spirit as your initial reply (would
> have thought 'personal visit' would give it away).
>
> I'm not for or against the new change to save/export (I use inkscape,
> and I'm used to that), but then again I've been using the new version
> for ages just to get the single-window mode (for which I and every
> other tiling WM user will be forever thankful).
>
> You're doing a great job, don't let the trolls get you down.



Ditto,

Been using it for a couple of years just for the single window mode.

Put up a valiant resistance against the export function for a couple
of hours, but then realized it was very smart move and has saved me
from making unrecoverable overwrites.

So beers and cheers to the new export system, long may it reign.







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[Gimp-user] Problem with Overlay Mode in Gimp 2.8 and Gimp 2.6

2012-06-21 Thread 大門 五郎

Well I tested The overlay effect in gimp and in proprietary software see the
difference:

Gimp:
http://old.nabble.com/file/p34052170/Imagem0226.jpg 

Adobe Photoshop:
http://s18.postimage.org/nniiloujt/Imagem0227.jpg


The overlay effect in Gimp is very weak. Change the formula please.

The source:
http://www.filehost.ws/bx4hmeznpaa4
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[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2012-06-21 Thread Bug_Sampson
>On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:28 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:

>>> UPS delivery or email?
>>
>> Please, don't be rude to such an esteemed and valuable former member
>> of this community. A personal visit is the only satisfactory solution
>> here

>Now I'm getting confused: which of us two is being ironic?

>> after all, where would open source software be if less people
>> used it?

>Consider this. Over a decade GIMP has been having millions of users
>and just a handful of developers. What's going to change if more
>people overreact, issue silly accusations and slam the door? Give me
>the worst scenario you can think of.

>This is free software. People do it for fun. We respect your opinions,
>even when you disagree with us, and we are eager to adjust things to
>make users happier, but there's no way you can force us to do
>anything. We are not your hostages, and we don't work on your terms.

>Alexandre

I'm not going to read this whole thread. I read the one in the developer's 
list. Frankly, I think the whole thing is silly.

To you, the other contributors, and developers, thank you for your work.

I'm fine with the save/export change. I find it more logical and convenient. 
With previous versions, I found it slightly inconvenient/irritating when I just 
wanted to back my work up, Save As, name, choose format, when I just wanted 
xcf. I mean, first world problems, inconvenient/irritating nontheless. I see 
nothing wrong with adding caution while separating two different commands at 
the same time. I see the situation perfect for beginners and advanced users. 
Even the most experienced user can accidentally overwrite a file, if just once 
in their lives.

Isn't Gimp still open source? Hasn't one of the many great things about OSS 
always been that you can hack it, alter it to your preferences? If you don't 
know how, you could always search for it.

I'm not saying Gimp is perfect. There are areas I'd like to see improvement in 
but that's for another time. Gimp is free software that people volunteer to 
work on. I appreciate that and don't feel privileged enough to demand changes 
or threaten to take my toys and go home. Say what you will about my comments. 
I've said what I've wanted to say. I'm out. 

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[Gimp-user] How to stop automatic updates, and return to previous version?

2012-06-21 Thread isis feral
I just opened up GIMP and to my horror it had been changed completely without 
my consent. 

First
 question: I assume this was some sort of automatic update. How do I 
turn that off, so that I have control over whether or not I want to 
update?

Second question: How do I go back to the previous 
version? I absolutely HATE this new version of GIMP. I can't find basic 
functions, because they've been moved.

I was trying to do a quick
 project, and I really don't appreciate being forced to learn a whole 
new set up. I'm appalled to find that my program's been changed without 
giving me any choice in the matter, and then having to sign up on a 
listserve to fix the problem. Why not set up a forum, where we can 
subscribe to just the thread that's relevant to us? My love affair with 
GIMP appears to be coming to a swift end here

Thanx for any
 insight to help make this functional for me again.

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