Re: [Gimp-user] Grid lines are 10x10, not default set in preferences [Solved]
On 01/22/13 21:27, Owen wrote: > >> My >> Preferences / Default Grid >> says the grid spacing is 48 pixels for both width and height. >> >> Yet when I choose >> View / Show Grid >> I get lines spaced on 10 x 10 intervals. >> >> What am I missing? > > > > That seems strange, the standard installation sets the default grid to > 10x10 pixels. > > You could look at your .gimp-2.8/gimprc and /etc/gimp/2.0/gimprc file > to see if anything has been set, but my guess is something is broke? > > Have you tried setting a new default grid? Just discovered I had set the grid size using the option under the image menu. Since this was a .xcf file, apparently that setting was saved as the default for the image, over-riding the gimp default. I didn't realize setting the grid size on the image menu was something that was preserved across saves. Thanks for the reply, Gary ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Grid lines are 10x10, not default set in preferences
> My > Preferences / Default Grid > says the grid spacing is 48 pixels for both width and height. > > Yet when I choose > View / Show Grid > I get lines spaced on 10 x 10 intervals. > > What am I missing? That seems strange, the standard installation sets the default grid to 10x10 pixels. You could look at your .gimp-2.8/gimprc and /etc/gimp/2.0/gimprc file to see if anything has been set, but my guess is something is broke? Have you tried setting a new default grid? -- Owen ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Grid lines are 10x10, not default set in preferences
My Preferences / Default Grid says the grid spacing is 48 pixels for both width and height. Yet when I choose View / Show Grid I get lines spaced on 10 x 10 intervals. What am I missing? Thanks, Gary ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Doing a select without the mouse?
Is it possible to do a rectangle select without the mouse? For example, with the rectangle tool selected, one can fill in the fields in the tool options to specify the coordinates and size of the rectangle, but I can't see a way to actually commit the operation; I don't see a "do it" button at the bottom, or an option in the tool options menu. I'm looking to get a precisely sized selection to fill into an added space. For example, when adding a strip at the top of an image, I would like to grab the top 100 pixels, flip it vertically to create a mirror image, and paste it into the expanded canvas. Am I missing something? Thanks, Gary ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] newvie asks differences between Gimp and Photoshop
this is what I had before, you can see the difference with the text Attachments: * http://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/15/original/Allienna_siggy.jpg -- RogueRanger (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] newvie asks differences between Gimp and Photoshop
First siggy made although I'm not totally happy with the font and how it came out. Is there a way to highlight it? Attachments: * http://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/14/original/Maria-2.jpg -- RogueRanger (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods
On 01/21/2013 05:19 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote: Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:57:56 +0100 Von: Ofnuts An: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Betreff: Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods On 01/21/2013 01:30 AM, Richard Gitschlag wrote: As GIMP concepts go, floating selections have always existed in GIMP and they really are something that needs to be killed off with fire because of how big a stumbling block they are to new users. *applauds* The useful feature of anchoring those floating selections down to the active layer is what usually gets in the way of just removing them. any ideas for that? The only difference I see betwen "Paste to floating selection/Anchor" and "Paste as new layer/Merge" is that the former "remembers" the active *drawable* when the paste happened and use that for the anchor... but I don't find this very useful in my daily Gimp usage except when pasting to channels. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] newvie asks differences between Gimp and Photoshop
I'm glad you did ^_^ reading all through I'm slowly coming to terms with it. I'll post my first Gimp Sig for you soon Melanie -- RogueRanger (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] newvie asks differences between Gimp and Photoshop
Hello, These are some things that make it hard for me. The tool menus unlike PS are not a part of the main window and seem to be seperate windows on their own (2 of them) that is annoying You can turn on single-window mode mode by right-clicking -> Windows -> Single-Window Mode everytime I create a new area, (layer) it opens in yet another window, as does opening up another file. So if I'm trying to do a signature and I'm using 3 or even four items, I have that many seperate windows open. This isn't usual GIMP-behavior. You should check, whether you're actually creating new layers or new images. To do so, look at the layers-dialogue (usually located to the right of your canvas, you can also find it by pressing Ctrl+L). When you create a new layer (resulting in a new window being opened), are there two layers shown in the dialogue or is it actually a new stack of layers (= new image) with just one layer in it? Also the rectangular selection tool seems to be on all the time whether I select it or not. I've tried deleting the software and reinstalling but that doesn't work Do you mean all the time as in "I cannot select i.e. the paintbrush tool"? That would be some pretty serious bug, assuming you know basic point-and-click interaction. However, seeing how you're already talking about adding signatures and stuff, it seems more likely that you're confused by the rectangular select being the default tool which is active upon startup and often becomes the active tool after a task is performed. In Photoshop, the default tool is the move tool and you have to select the rect. select if you want to use it, in GIMP it's the other way around. It may seem unnatural to you due to what you're used too, but it's not "better" or "worse" than Photoshop's way (at least there haven't been any user studies about it) and I can guarantee you, that it's just as hard learning Photoshop after using GIMP as the other way around. Since there will be similar cases in the future, there is something that you should really try to understand: Despite being often described as such, GIMP is not "Photoshop for free" or "Photoshop but not as powerful" or otherwise "like Photoshop". It is a bitmap-manipulation-program (actually an xcf-manipulation-program, but let's not dive into that), that is separate and different from Photoshop and therefore, some of the operational concepts are different from Photoshop's. Sometimes things won't be were they "of course" (also called: where you've been trained to expect them by your prior program usage) should be, and sometimes you'll be pleasantly surprised by how they are arranged in the GIMP. Switching to GIMP isn't 1:1, but if you accept that GIMP may follow other premises than Photoshop, and that those premises aren't automatically bad just because of that, getting used to them isn't really all that hard. So if everything goes right, this was at least a little helpful, bw, Tobias Lunte//Tobl ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] newvie asks differences between Gimp and Photoshop
I'm sorry if you get this email twice, but it was returned to sender so I'm not sure which of the recipients haven't gotten it. -- Hello, These are some things that make it hard for me. The tool menus unlike PS are not a part of the main window and seem to be seperate windows on their own (2 of them) that is annoying You can turn on single-window mode mode by right-clicking -> Windows -> Single-Window Mode everytime I create a new area, (layer) it opens in yet another window, as does opening up another file. So if I'm trying to do a signature and I'm using 3 or even four items, I have that many seperate windows open. This isn't usual GIMP-behavior. You should check, whether you're actually creating new layers or new images. To do so, look at the layers-dialogue (usually located to the right of your canvas, you can also find it by pressing Ctrl+L). When you create a new layer (resulting in a new window being opened), are there two layers shown in the dialogue or is it actually a new stack of layers (= new image) with just one layer in it? Also the rectangular selection tool seems to be on all the time whether I select it or not. I've tried deleting the software and reinstalling but that doesn't work Do you mean all the time as in "I cannot select i.e. the paintbrush tool"? That would be some pretty serious bug, assuming you know basic point-and-click interaction. However, seeing how you're already talking about adding signatures and stuff, it seems more likely that you're confused by the rectangular select being the default tool which is active upon startup and often becomes the active tool after a task is performed. In Photoshop, the default tool is the move tool and you have to select the rect. select if you want to use it, in GIMP it's the other way around. It may seem unnatural to you due to what you're used too, but it's not "better" or "worse" than Photoshop's way (at least there haven't been any user studies about it) and I can guarantee you, that it's just as hard learning Photoshop after using GIMP as the other way around. Since there will be similar cases in the future, there is something that you should really try to understand: Despite being often described as such, GIMP is not "Photoshop for free" or "Photoshop but not as powerful" or otherwise "like Photoshop". It is a bitmap-manipulation-program (actually an xcf-manipulation-program, but let's not dive into that), that is separate and different from Photoshop and therefore, some of the operational concepts are different from Photoshop's. Sometimes things won't be were they "of course" (also called: where you've been trained to expect them by your prior program usage) should be, and sometimes you'll be pleasantly surprised by how they are arranged in the GIMP. Switching to GIMP isn't 1:1, but if you accept that GIMP may follow other premises than Photoshop, and that those premises aren't automatically bad just because of that, getting used to them isn't really all that hard. So if everything goes right, this was at least a little helpful, bw, Tobias Lunte//Tobl ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] newvie asks differences between Gimp and Photoshop
d'oh. facepalm.. it works, I didn't even know it was there.. thank you again and sorry to be a pest -- RogueRanger (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] newvie asks differences between Gimp and Photoshop
On 22 Jan 13 21:59 RogueRanger said: > everytime I create a new area, (layer) it opens in yet another > window, Have you tried turning on: Windows > Single-window mode ? Greg Chapman http://www.gregtutor.plus.com Helping new users of KompoZer and The GIMP ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] newvie asks differences between Gimp and Photoshop
Thank you again, I did work that one out. But in general I don't know if it's just me, but I am really stressing out getting anything done, it just seems so strange to me. First up I have Aspergers so I suppose that doesn't help. These are some things that make it hard for me. The tool menus unlike PS are not a part of the main window and seem to be seperate windows on their own (2 of them) that is annoying everytime I create a new area, (layer) it opens in yet another window, as does opening up another file. So if I'm trying to do a signature and I'm using 3 or even four items, I have that many seperate windows open. Also the rectangular selection tool seems to be on all the time whether I select it or not. I've tried deleting the software and reinstalling but that doesn't work -- RogueRanger (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods
On 01/22/2013 11:19 AM, Donald Miller wrote: > Hello Experts > > Because I started this thread, I should comment. > > I once spent a year of intense image editing in photoshop. Now I > only occasionally use PS or GIMP, so esoteric capabilities > are far less important than ease of getting back into harness. > Simply combining image snippets is now easier in PS. > > Keep all the features you want, but include easy startup for folks > who are not, nor want to be, experts in the software. I can see where you're coming from: How much can I do with image files today, without a substantial learning curve? It's no surprise that a commercial product may serve this need better than the GIMP in many cases; it pays to meet this need, in the most literal sense of cash on the barrel head. "Ease of use" can have two meanings: 1) Easy to figure out how to do a range of common, practical image editing tasks. A substantial part of the Photoshop user base is looking for this and only this, and supporting them makes Adobe more than enough money to pay their developers to make supporting these users a "prime directive" in their design paradigm. 2) Easy to do complex tasks including ones that the program's developers did not anticipate, through access to flexible modular tools and functions. A substantial part of the GIMP user base is looking for this, which is fortunate because the GIMP project does not have a budget to support "make it easier for beginners" to the extent that Adobe does. Photoshop experts can do complex tasks "any way they want" to get the results they are after; GIMP beginners can learn to do all the most important photo editing basics in a few hours. But the style and design paradigm of these commercial & Free programs is different, and these differences matter more to casual users than "hard core image grinders" who spend whole workdays doing horrible things to pixels. Thing about the GIMP is, it's Free Software. That does not mean you can't charge money for it. If someone wanted to take the GIMP and rebuild it to for increased appeal to casual users, they could sell their remixed version as a commercial product. If Adobe was not such a dominant player in the market, this would have happened already. :o) Steve ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods
On 01/22/13 07:59, Richard Gitschlag wrote: >> Floats "belong to" whatever layer or mask was current when the clipboard >> content was pasted in. >> You can only do two things with a float: Make it a new layer by >> using the 'add layer' command, or use the 'anchor' command to merge >> it down into whatever layer or mask was already selected when the >> float was pasted into the image. > > That is correct, but because the Layers dialog displays the float at the top > of the entire layer stack there is no visual indication in the dialog of which > layer it belongs to. If we merely changed the display of the dialog so that > the float is always displayed just above its source layer (actual > functionality > unaffected), this would make it more intuitive to the user. While voting doesn't count ;-), I would second that as a suggestion. I've meant to make the same comment before. Gary ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods
Hello Experts Because I started this thread, I should comment. I once spent a year of intense image editing in photoshop. Now I only occasionally use PS or GIMP, so esoteric capabilities are far less important than ease of getting back into harness. Simply combining image snippets is now easier in PS. Keep all the features you want, but include easy startup for folks who are not, nor want to be, experts in the software. Regards, Don Miller damill...@gmail.com == Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 7:09:00 AM, you wrote: > On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 20:21 -0500, Steve Kinney wrote: > [...] >> You can only do two things with a float: Make it a new layer by >> using the 'add layer' command, or use the 'anchor' command to merge >> it down into whatever layer or mask was already selected when the >> float was pasted into the image. > I'm sure you know this, but for others I'll add that this is not the > whole picture - there's lots more that you can do with a floating > selection: > . erase parts of it (it has an alpha channel) > . move it > . draw on it > . use levels/curves > . smile upon it lovingly :-) > Of course, you can do these things with a layer too. > Liam ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods
On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 20:21 -0500, Steve Kinney wrote: [...] > You can only do two things with a float: Make it a new layer by > using the 'add layer' command, or use the 'anchor' command to merge > it down into whatever layer or mask was already selected when the > float was pasted into the image. I'm sure you know this, but for others I'll add that this is not the whole picture - there's lots more that you can do with a floating selection: . erase parts of it (it has an alpha channel) . move it . draw on it . use levels/curves . smile upon it lovingly :-) Of course, you can do these things with a layer too. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:21:43 -0500 > From: ad...@pilobilus.net > To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods > > > Floats "belong to" whatever layer or mask was current when the clipboard > content was pasted in. > You can only do two things with a float: Make it a new layer by > using the 'add layer' command, or use the 'anchor' command to merge > it down into whatever layer or mask was already selected when the > float was pasted into the image. That is correct, but because the Layers dialog displays the float at the top of the entire layer stack there is no visual indication in the dialog of which layer it belongs to. If we merely changed the display of the dialog so that the float is always displayed just above its source layer (actual functionality unaffected), this would make it more intuitive to the user. -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] CMYK + additional color layer?
Am Dienstag, 22. Januar 2013, 16:29:06 schrieb Alexandre Prokoudine: > > having the same color that should be emphasized in print. Imagine "grey > > clouds" that should be "silver clouds" when printed... > > Mmm... Are we talking about low amount of metallic ink on top > something to, er, spice things up? :) Yes, that's pretty much what I had in mind. :) > How about converting selection in GIMP to a path, saving the path to > SVG, importing it to Scribus (to a new layer) and filling it with a > metallic spot color with low opacity? I'll give it a try. Sounds good to me, let's see where it gets me. :) Thanks a bunch for your help, all the best! Kristian ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] CMYK + additional color layer?
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Kristian Rink wrote:
> Ah, sorry. Wrote too much. :/ I need he "highlight" layer to not contain text
> (or "highlighted" text) but rather some selection of the image having the same
> color that should be emphasized in print. Imagine "grey clouds" that should be
> "silver clouds" when printed...
Mmm... Are we talking about low amount of metallic ink on top
something to, er, spice things up? :)
How about converting selection in GIMP to a path, saving the path to
SVG, importing it to Scribus (to a new layer) and filling it with a
metallic spot color with low opacity?
> To do so, my idea would be to store two images ("background" containing the
> full image, "highlight" just containing the selection that should be in the
> highlight color layer), convert "background" to CMYK and use scribus to merge
> these two into one PDF 1.5 output. Would that work?
Depends on your reply to the suggestion above :)
Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Re: [Gimp-user] CMYK + additional color layer?
Am Dienstag, 22. Januar 2013, 15:50:57 schrieb Alexandre Prokoudine:
> > Yet, I already have text in my original image (and, for that matter,
> > rendering this text so that it looks the way it does now was quite an
> > effort and the main reason for me to use Gimp for that, in the first
> > place). The "highlight" layer, so, will have to be sort of a "by-color"
> > selection taken from the composite image (text and background picture).
> > That's what so far kept me from looking into other alternatives as Gimp
> > seems best at doing right this...
>
> Excuse me, but what is the question? :)
Ah, sorry. Wrote too much. :/ I need he "highlight" layer to not contain text
(or "highlighted" text) but rather some selection of the image having the same
color that should be emphasized in print. Imagine "grey clouds" that should be
"silver clouds" when printed...
To do so, my idea would be to store two images ("background" containing the
full image, "highlight" just containing the selection that should be in the
highlight color layer), convert "background" to CMYK and use scribus to merge
these two into one PDF 1.5 output. Would that work?
Thanks again and all the best,
Kristian
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Re: [Gimp-user] CMYK + additional color layer?
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Kristian Rink wrote: > Hi Alexandre; > > wow, that was fast, and to the point, thanks a bunch. :) Just one question > left here: > > Am Dienstag, 22. Januar 2013, 15:19:16 schrieb Alexandre Prokoudine: >> Do color separation with separate+ or CMYKTool, place the output CMYK >> image into a Scribus document, add the "highlight" text to a new layer >> and use a spot color you need for color fill of that text, then export >> as PDF 1.5 intended for printing. > > Yet, I already have text in my original image (and, for that matter, rendering > this text so that it looks the way it does now was quite an effort and the > main > reason for me to use Gimp for that, in the first place). The "highlight" > layer, > so, will have to be sort of a "by-color" selection taken from the composite > image (text and background picture). That's what so far kept me from looking > into other alternatives as Gimp seems best at doing right this... Excuse me, but what is the question? :) Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] CMYK + additional color layer?
Hi Alexandre; wow, that was fast, and to the point, thanks a bunch. :) Just one question left here: Am Dienstag, 22. Januar 2013, 15:19:16 schrieb Alexandre Prokoudine: > Do color separation with separate+ or CMYKTool, place the output CMYK > image into a Scribus document, add the "highlight" text to a new layer > and use a spot color you need for color fill of that text, then export > as PDF 1.5 intended for printing. Yet, I already have text in my original image (and, for that matter, rendering this text so that it looks the way it does now was quite an effort and the main reason for me to use Gimp for that, in the first place). The "highlight" layer, so, will have to be sort of a "by-color" selection taken from the composite image (text and background picture). That's what so far kept me from looking into other alternatives as Gimp seems best at doing right this... Thanks again and all the best, Kristian ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] CMYK + additional color layer?
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Kristian Rink wrote: > Folks; > > done a modestly complex flyer layout which, by now, should be printed by a > professional service. Unfortunately, those would like to have a CMYK PDF > image, including an additional layer for a "highlight" color (which should be > gold or silver, not sure yet). I've done a bit playing and, so far, am unsure > about whether (and/or how) such a kind of pre-print color separation can be > done using GIMP, or whether I would have to do this in another way. Any > thoughts, recommendations, ... how to get my xcf stored in a way feasible for > this kind of printing? Do color separation with separate+ or CMYKTool, place the output CMYK image into a Scribus document, add the "highlight" text to a new layer and use a spot color you need for color fill of that text, then export as PDF 1.5 intended for printing. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] CMYK + additional color layer?
Folks; done a modestly complex flyer layout which, by now, should be printed by a professional service. Unfortunately, those would like to have a CMYK PDF image, including an additional layer for a "highlight" color (which should be gold or silver, not sure yet). I've done a bit playing and, so far, am unsure about whether (and/or how) such a kind of pre-print color separation can be done using GIMP, or whether I would have to do this in another way. Any thoughts, recommendations, ... how to get my xcf stored in a way feasible for this kind of printing? TIA and all the best, Kristian ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] newvie asks differences between Gimp and Photoshop
Hi Rogue, On 22 Jan 13 01:35 RogueRanger said: > But the lasso arc was still active and I wasn't able to end it. What > am I doing wrong? Just double-click on the final point and it will join with the original point automatically to enclose the lassooed area. The tool itself will remain the selected one until you select another. Greg Chapman http://www.gregtutor.plus.com Helping new users of KompoZer and The GIMP Still exploring BlueGriffon ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
