Re: [Gimp-user] Question about scripting

[Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list]

I'd also find an example interesting.

Adrian Midgley (Retired(Mostly))

On Sat, 30 Jul 2022, 05:21 Jean-Pierre HOARAU, 
wrote:

> Thank you very much for the link. It is very useful. But my problem is not
> bash but the parameters to give in command line to run gimp procedures. I
> don't understand very well what I must give for args in a gimp procedure.
> This is why I asked for an example with a file-jpeg-load or file-jpeg-save
> procedure. I get some error messages that I don't understand. So my
> question remains, what are parameters to give to these procedures? Could
> someone write me this command line? So I will have an example that I can't
> find on the net. Thank you.
>
> Le sam. 30 juil. 2022 à 02:25, Shlomi Fish  a
> écrit :
>
> > hi ,
> >
> > On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 05:00:39 +0200
> > Jean-Pierre HOARAU  wrote:
> >
> > > I'm trying to write a script shell and use a procedure. I don't
> > understand
> > > how to give the parameters to the script. I do not have the good number
> > or
> > > parameters. Can someone write to me the command line that I have to
> enter
> > > to use the procedures, for example, file-jpeg-load and file-jpeg-save?
> I
> > > tried this and it doesn't work:
> > >
> > > gimp -i -b "(file-jpeg-load RUN-NONINTERACTIVE "/home/user/ev.jpg"
> > > "/home/user/ev.jpg")" -b "(gimp-quit 0)"
> > >
> >
> > Please read about bash/zsh/ksh/etc. quoting/escaping:
> >
> > https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
> >
> > [also note https://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/anti/csh/ ]
> >
> > > Thank you in advance.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of Conduct - ablelist language and discrimination

[Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list]

Does he have standing?
Does he have experience?
Does he have a better suggested name, title, acronym or abbreviation
for the software (no)
Is he an actor??
Does he - I don't suggest he does - make a habit of demanding changes
without contributing to making changes, or the things he changes?

GIMP isn't a word, it is an acronym.
Gimp or gimp is, although it doesn't seem to appear in the project's
official materials.

There are, I'll remark again, more things than there are words.

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On Fri, 28 May 2021 at 12:04, Simon Budig  wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list (gimp-user-list@gnome.org) wrote:
> > What does Michael Richards do?
>
> Please stop this kind of implied ad-hominem attack. Thank you.
>
> And to all others: Thanks for your input. Seems the name discussion
> rears its head again.
>
> It is not necessary to explain that the term GIMP is not offensive to
> you. Nobody really disputes that GIMP is a "harmless" word to the
> majority of the worlds population. But "majority" is not necessarily the
> relevant metrics here.
>
> And that "whataboutism" regarding other software projects with possibly
> problematic names is not really helping, since there is nothing to learn
> from that.
>
> Also nobody really disputes that the original naming of the project is
> influenced by the pulp fiction movie and also in knowledge of the
> derogatory use. And while I was not aware of that issue until a few
> years after getting involved I certainly can understand the thinking
> that likely happened with the naming, as in "hah-hah-funny" as well
> as preferring to undersell and demeaning your own project instead of
> overhyping.
>
> Personally I appreciate the feedback from people who might be the target
> of the derogatory term. These are the most relevant people in this
> discussion. But then we do have a self-selecting bias on this
> mailinglist, since the people offended by the term are less likely to
> participate here.
>
> This is a knotty discussion, because on the other hand we *do* have a
> huge brand recognition with our name and renaming the project certainly
> will have an effect on me (as a non-native english speaker and als not
> in the "target group" of the derogatory term) and my 24-year-connection
> with the project. I am very much emotionally attached to that name.
>
> There are tons of technical implications with a renaming and I
> personally believe they are prohibitive. Even if we were to rename
> (unlikely) we'd still have to keep our hands on the term GIMP, if only
> to protect our users from scammers trying to step in the then empty
> shoes.
>
> From past discussions with other team members I know that we're quite
> unlikely to change then name, but we *are* willing to work on the issue
> by other means. We're willing (and have done so in the past) to reduce
> the appearance of the acronym and put more emphasis on the fully written
> name of the Gnu Image Manipulation Program, although it is really hard
> to not just type the acronym  :)
>
> We're willing to engage with other groups in projects that might
> help reducing the stigma of disabilities and if we somehow would be able
> to use the power of our brand to help reducing the impact of the
> derogatory term I firmly believe we'll gladly do that.
>
> Thanks,
> Simon
>
> PS: Just to clarify: While I am fairly confident that I have an idea
> about what the other team members think on that issue I do not speak on
> their behalf. All of the above are my own opinions, this is not an
> official statement.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of Conduct - ablelist language and discrimination

[Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list]

What does Michael Richards do?

On Fri, 28 May 2021, 08:21 Gene Heskett,  wrote:

> On Friday 28 May 2021 00:35:20 Bob Long wrote:
>
> > Michael Richards via gimp-user-list wrote on 28/5/21 9:24 am:
> > > Thank you Frederico,
> > >
> > > I appreciate this. I have removed myself from the GIMP-user-list for
> > > now but am open to speaking with the maintainers of Gnu Image
> > > Manipulation Program, the CoC, and/or the board of directors if any
> > > or all of those groups wish.
> > >
> > > My intention is not to cause trouble for anyone but to help make
> > > open source software more welcoming to, and safe for, everyone.
> > >
> > > My thanks to you, the other members of the CoC, and the Gnome
> > > Foundation board of Directors addressing this request.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Michael Richards, BSc (he/his)
> > > Victoria BC, Canada
> >
> > Given that Michael says he has removed himself from the list he may
> > not see this. But I do not support a name change.
>
> Neither do I. Graphics Image Modification Program, aka gimp, is just
> fine. At 86, theres a bit of a hitch in my gitalong too, in fact I'm up
> in the middle of the night working some Theraworx into a leg cramp.  I'm
> also a 30 year DM-II, so I'm obviously thin skinned and covered in
> bruises because I am still active, but not thin enough the name bothers
> me. To anyone who is bothered, grow some skin.
>
> > And may I point out that Michael's signature line, "Michael Richards,
> > BSc (he/his)" may offend some people (but not me)?
>
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of Conduct - ablelist language and discrimination

[Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list]

One point: by all means say the acronymic name of the project and
software is sub-optimal, but please provide a proposed better name.
And for the acronym?  A renaming of those 4 words fails on the first
and last I think.

They could be reordered without losing sense:-

GNU Image Manipulation Program could become GNU Manipulating Images Program.


It is a general principle of Open Source movements that nobody may (or
can) be prevented from doing the work and offering it, but that also
nobody may instruct anyone else that they must do some work.

Offer money, that'd be different, although none of this is work I'd
care to bid for.


Gnome.
---
You seem to be asserting that nobody would be upset by being called a gnome.
It isn't so.

However since there are more things than words, some words get used
for more than one thing.


Googling for gimp, Gimp or GIMP, I find the first result is for the
GNU Image Manipulation Program.

GIMP is a longstanding project, first announced in November 1995

It takes 4 paragraphs down from that to find anything else.  (And
that's an article in The Register telling us of the formation of
Glimpse.  It asserts the most modern - new - use of the word - which
I'd distinguish from the acronym, but that may be too subtle - gimp is
as given by the OP here.

GIMP is a longstanding project, first announced in November 1995

When did gimp start being used in the sense complained of?
"gimp leg" occurs in British fiction of I think the 1940s, perhaps
earlier, but always in relation to someone wounded in the leg during
one of the recent wars, as an adjective, and as a first person
description ("my gimp leg"), not a pejorative one about another
person.  However the use complained of may have arisen more recently.

When? BTW?

I first recall it in contemporary use in a film,Pulp Fiction,
referring to someone whose sexual tastes were unusual in a specific
way involving a leather suit and mask.  I think that unless the fox
changes his fur that would not be confused.


"Finally, if you still have strong feelings about the name "GIMP", you
should feel free to promote the use of the long form GNU Image
Manipulation Program"

Two points in that quote from the project website: it is the acronym
GIMP that is offered as the short form name, and the name is the long
form.


Glimpse seems a misconceived reaction, and not really to what it was
presented as.
To fork the project and produce a new one whose mission statement
might be "A fork of the GNU Image Manipulation Program Project
intended to have exactly one difference: the name, which does not suit
everyone for various reasons" would do the job.  The OP is as free as
anyone else to do so and good luck.  I'd suggest that attempting to
acquire donations for anything more than the direct cost of
duplicating and storing the project would be unwise in terms of
effect.
Glimpse (not apparently an acronym?)

I'm not bothered, but then I've done no work in the project, whereas
the OP has perhaps made many useful contributions, and the maintainers
who have thought about it before certainly have.


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On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 13:01, Patrick Shanahan  wrote:
>
> * Shlomi Fish  [05-26-21 02:52]:
> > On Tue, 25 May 2021 17:14:45 -0400
> > Liam R E Quin  wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 2021-05-25 at 16:57 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > it would only be considered discriminatory if presented in a manner
> > > > to
> > > > depict discrimination.  as a mere application name, it is not
> > > > discriminatory, only distasteful to one who is so narrow of mind to
> > > > consider it so.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Pease don't try telling people that they don't find something
> > > unpleasant.  The term is used as an insult in some regions.  Calling
> > > people names (narrow-minded) for being offended merely adds insult to
> > > an injury.
> > >
> > > There do seem to be cultural and linguistic differences in the
> > > relationship between people and symbols.  The role of tone of voice
> > > differs between cultures too.
> > >
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > I think people should encourage criticism and learn how to grow a thicker 
> > skin
> > and to handle crit:
> > http://shlomifishswiki.branchable.com/Encourage_criticism_and_try_to_get_offended/
> >  yes, even women can and should. i took some insults to my advantage:
> >
> > * https://www.shlomifish.org/me/rindolf/#rindolf_the_evil_reindeer
> >
> > * https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/the-eternal-jew/#reception
> >
> > * https://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/nicknames.xhtml
>
> yes, we are all entitled to our opinions and to express them.  and they
> should only be admonished when directly related to *intentionally* causing
> harm or discomfort to an individual or group.  keyword being
> "intentionally".
>
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Positioning GIMP in the screen

[Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list]

Set up all the Gimp windows as you want them, then go to preferences
and tell it to save window positions?

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On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 at 16:11, Patrick Shanahan  wrote:
>
> * Jeffery Small via gimp-user-list  [11-15-20 
> 06:01]:
> > Gimp 2.10.22
> >
> > I have dual screens currently operating a one wide :0.0 display.  I would
> > like to be able to position the GIMP window on the screen with precision as
> > would typically be done with the X11 -geometry specification.  This option
> > is not supported by GIMP.  is there an alternative method for accomplishing
> > this?  Thanks.
>
> I believe that would best be accomplished by configuring your desired
> window manager/desktop environment to place gimp on the desired display.
> I do this frequently on plasma5/kde5.
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Re: [Gimp-user] loading jp2 images

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That's a JPEG2000 format image.
It allows larger colour depth and lossless compression, compared to JPEG.

Gimp up to 9.2 couldn't open them.  I doubt 2.10 can.

You can convert them to JPG or probably to TIF and those are both openable.

On Wed, 22 Jan 2020, 22:34 mlorenzo2408,  wrote:

> Hello,
> I am trying to load a JP2 image from the USGS.
> from the metaviewer i have:
> BitsPerSample 8 8 8
> Photo.ColorSpace sRGB
> From image properties:
> Size in pixels: 6963 X 8854 pixels
> Color Space: Grayscale
> Number of layers: 1
>
> There is a color image there, it shows in qgis.  How do i get gimp to load
> the
> color image?
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