Re: [Gimp-user] finding layers after file has been closed (.... so much for the new export/save methods)

[maderios]

On 11/19/2012 12:57 PM, Archie Arevalo wrote:



/me points maderios to https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp


Thanks but I need a stable version
Otherwise, I like and I need .xcf but only when I want and where I want.
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Re: [Gimp-user] finding layers after file has been closed (.... so much for the new export/save methods)

[maderios]

On 11/19/2012 12:36 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, maderios wrote:


The new gimp-2.8 save/export is  is not made to work but is only useful for
newbies. I still say that the user should have the possibility to choose
because this new save/export is a cause of lost time.


The amount of time you put into the defamation campaign is truly impressive :)

I spent less time posting here than circumvent the problems of the new 
and crazy  save/export. I think it scares away new users, it is not the 
goal...

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Re: [Gimp-user] finding layers after file has been closed (.... so much for the new export/save methods)

[Archie Arevalo]

On Monday, November 19, 2012 3:36:30 PM Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, maderios wrote:
> > The new gimp-2.8 save/export is  is not made to work but is only useful
> > for
> > newbies. I still say that the user should have the possibility to choose
> > because this new save/export is a cause of lost time.
> 
> The amount of time you put into the defamation campaign is truly impressive
> :)
> 
> Alexandre Prokoudine
> http://libregraphicsworld.org

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Re: [Gimp-user] finding layers after file has been closed (.... so much for the new export/save methods)

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, maderios wrote:

> The new gimp-2.8 save/export is  is not made to work but is only useful for
> newbies. I still say that the user should have the possibility to choose
> because this new save/export is a cause of lost time.

The amount of time you put into the defamation campaign is truly impressive :)

Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Re: [Gimp-user] finding layers after file has been closed (.... so much for the new export/save methods)

[maderios]

On 11/18/2012 10:06 PM, Jay Smith wrote:


However, this is an excellent illustration that this "controversial"
change in the save/export methods is not a perfect solution either.


Hi everybody
Using an editor software requires a minimum of knowledge.
It's just like driving a car:look ahead, not behind, watch the road, 
watch the panel, etc...
The new gimp-2.8 save/export is  is not made ​​to work but is only 
useful for newbies. I still say that the user should have the 
possibility to choose because this new save/export is a cause of lost time.


Greetings

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Re: [Gimp-user] finding layers after file has been closed (.... so much for the new export/save methods)

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Jay Smith  [11-18-12 16:59]:
 ...
> I am just saddened that the most of the type of work my company does with
> Gimp is no longer (maybe it never was?) included in the "target user/use"
> definition.  Because it does not make economic sense for a company to train
> and support users in two different graphics programs, there will eventually
> come a time (since I presume the goals of the program developers will
> continue to evolve away from our typical workflow), when we will have to
> switch to _one_ other program to do our graphics work.  That's sad because
> Gimp has so much to offer.  

 ...
 
You play a fiddle with no strings.

There is a script usable that returns to nearly the same actions which you
desire.  Perhaps you are having a problem with the words presented here.
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] finding layers after file has been closed (.... so much for the new export/save methods)

[Jay Smith]

On 11/18/2012 04:38 PM, Burnie West wrote:

On 11/18/2012 01:13 PM, jenn golden wrote:

However, this is an excellent illustration that this "controversial"
change in the save/export methods is not a perfect solution either.

On the good side, however, Jenn is happy to have "learned the lesson" --
and is fully up to speed with the difference between save and export.

   -- Burnie


Yes, Jenn seems to be taking it well.  Again, I am sorry that she had to 
go through that frustration.


However, when I originally brought up my point that sometimes people (in 
general) have to "learn a lesson" the hard way in order to really learn, 
I was told, in various ways, with varying language, by several of the 
developer group, that I was a terrible excuse for a person -- if I was 
even a human being at all.


Oh well.  Fortunately, I found that reaction more amusing than anything 
else.  The virulence of that reaction told more about them than anything 
else.


I am just saddened that the most of the type of work my company does 
with Gimp is no longer (maybe it never was?) included in the "target 
user/use" definition.  Because it does not make economic sense for a 
company to train and support users in two different graphics programs, 
there will eventually come a time (since I presume the goals of the 
program developers will continue to evolve away from our typical 
workflow), when we will have to switch to _one_ other program to do our 
graphics work.  That's sad because Gimp has so much to offer.  However, 
as the world changes, we all must move on.  Complaining serves no 
purpose since the people who do the work, and thus "own" the program, 
are completely within their rights to do whatever they want.  There is 
nothing "wrong" with that, however, the consequences are sometimes sad. 
Such is life.


Jay
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Re: [Gimp-user] finding layers after file has been closed (.... so much for the new export/save methods)

[Burnie West]

On 11/18/2012 01:13 PM, jenn golden wrote:
However, this is an excellent illustration that this "controversial" change in 
the save/export methods is not a perfect solution either.
On the good side, however, Jenn is happy to have "learned the lesson" -- and is 
fully up to speed with the difference between save and export.


  -- Burnie
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Re: [Gimp-user] finding layers after file has been closed (.... so much for the new export/save methods)

[jenn golden]

Well- lesson learned for sure!  I redid another masterpiece and saved it
under both formats!  I appreciate everyone's prompt help!!  Case Closed! LOL

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Jay Smith  wrote:

> On 11/18/2012 03:57 PM, jenn golden wrote:
>
>> I totally understood what you both said - but I didn't know that I had
>> to save it both ways - I only saved it, or exported it at a .jpg... Does
>> that mean I can't recover the .xcf?
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Daniel Smith > > wrote:
>>
>> what he said. that's what i meant when i said before that you would
>> still have the layers, that you had the .xcf file somewhere.
>> :)
>> dan
>>
>
>
> I don't want to "start anything", but this just points out what I said
> originally: It is not possible to always protect everybody from themselves.
>
> I am very sorry for Jenn's misfortune and I do not mean to be
> disrespectful.
>
> However, this is an excellent illustration that this "controversial"
> change in the save/export methods is not a perfect solution either.
>
> Jay
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Re: [Gimp-user] finding layers after file has been closed (.... so much for the new export/save methods)

[Jay Smith]

On 11/18/2012 03:57 PM, jenn golden wrote:

I totally understood what you both said - but I didn't know that I had
to save it both ways - I only saved it, or exported it at a .jpg... Does
that mean I can't recover the .xcf?

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Daniel Smith mailto:opened...@gmail.com>> wrote:

what he said. that's what i meant when i said before that you would
still have the layers, that you had the .xcf file somewhere.
:)
dan



I don't want to "start anything", but this just points out what I said 
originally: It is not possible to always protect everybody from themselves.


I am very sorry for Jenn's misfortune and I do not mean to be 
disrespectful.


However, this is an excellent illustration that this "controversial" 
change in the save/export methods is not a perfect solution either.


Jay
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