Re: [Github-comments] [geany/geany-plugins] Can't activate debugger plugin Ubuntu 20.04 (#1072)

[dwarning]

Thank you - this helps. It seems to do with my LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable. After 
extend to /usr/local/lib the libgeany.so and libgeanypluginutils.so are found 
and successful loaded.
`
09:23:19: Geany INFO: Loaded libvte from libvte-2.91.so

09:23:19: Geany INFO: Loaded:   /usr/local/lib/geany/debugger.so 
(Debugger)

09:23:20: Geany INFO: unknown : None (UTF-8)
`
Should I take w.r.t. the "unknown: None (UTF-8)" message?

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Re: [Github-comments] [geany/geany] [Feature request] Sorting text (#2782)

[Michal Dziczkowski]

You could make at latest that the plugins were easy to import thru an Plugin 
Manager (like in for example Sublime3) , instead of the need to manually 
download and compile them (however, some plugins does not have the "configure" 
and "Makefile" present to do that)

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Re: [Github-comments] [geany/geany-plugins] Can't activate debugger plugin Ubuntu 20.04 (#1072)

[elextr]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 at 17:40, dwarning ***@***.***> wrote:

> Thank you - this helps. It seems to do with my LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable.
> After extend to /usr/local/lib the libgeany.so and libgeanypluginutils.so
> are found and successful loaded.
>
09:23:19: Geany INFO : Loaded libvte from libvte-2.91.so
>
> 09:23:19: Geany INFO : Loaded: /usr/local/lib/geany/debugger.so (Debugger)
>
> 09:23:20: Geany INFO : unknown : None (UTF-8)
> `
> Should I take w.r.t. the "unknown: None (UTF-8)" message?
>

Thats the empty document that is auto-opened if you have the relevant
preference set., so no problem.

Cheers
Lex



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Re: [Github-comments] [geany/geany] [Feature request] Sorting text (#2782)

[elextr]

As I noted above, Geany and current plugins are C, they have to be compiled, 
they are not an interpreted language like Python that sublime uses, so Geany 
plugins cannot be just downloaded and run.

Geany is an entirely volunteer project, when someone contributes a capability 
for non-C plugins things may change (there are external projects that do that, 
but they have not been contributed to the main project, its entirely up to the 
external project to make that decision).

Most Linux distributions have Geany and the Geany-plugins collection available 
to install using their standard package management tools (but note such 
packages are not made by this project directly) and Windows and OSX builds are 
available in the downloads page so its not normally necessary to compile them 
yourself unless you are developing a new plugin.

> however, some plugins does not have the "configure" and "Makefile" present to 
> do that

Where are you getting those plugins from?  All the Geany-Plugins collection 
should have `makefile.am` and `Makefile` is created by `configure` which is 
created for the whole collection by `autogen.sh` if you use the git repository 
see [here](https://github.com/geany/geany#installing-from-a-git-clone), or 
should exist if you use the tarball see 
[here](https://github.com/geany/geany#installing-from-a-release-tarball).  This 
is the standard autotools build methodology.

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Re: [Github-comments] [geany/geany] [Feature request] Sorting text (#2782)

[Michal Dziczkowski]

There is only autogen.am and none else mentioned by you tools (autogen.sh, 
configure)

Additional question: why the plugins aren't provided in a pre-compiled version ?

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Re: [Github-comments] [geany/geany] [Feature request] Sorting text (#2782)

[elextr]

> There is only autogen.am and none else mentioned by you tools (autogen.sh, 
> configure)

Where are you getting the source from? `autogen.sh` is in the Geany repository 
and generates `configure` as I said.  It is also in the 
[tarball](https://download.geany.org/geany-1.37.1.tar.gz) which also has 
`configure` pre-generated so you don't need the tools to make it.

> Additional question: why the plugins aren't provided in a pre-compiled 
> version ?

As I said above, individual Linux distros provide binaries because they need to 
be configured for that distos rules, and [Geany 
releases](https://www.geany.org/download/releases/) provides binaries for 
Windows and OSX since they are a single platform and don't vary like the Linux 
distributions do.

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Re: [Github-comments] [geany/geany] [Feature request] Sorting text (#2782)

[Michal Dziczkowski]

> Where are you getting the source from?

geanie-plugins on GitHub

> As I said above, individual Linux distros provide binaries because they need 
> to be configured for that distos rules, and Geany releases provides binaries 
> for Windows and OSX since they are a single platform and don't vary like the 
> Linux distributions do.

in this case, it would be a nice idea to create a pre-compiled plugins for 
separarelly Windows and Linux. Take into attention that not everr end-user has 
knowledge, experience or developer skill's to self compile the plugins that 
he/she would need for work, so sharing only the sources (without the binary 
version) would discurrage them from using Geany and would make them search an 
better editor with either has such functionality build-in or would allow to 
easy install an nessecary plugin

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Re: [Github-comments] [geany/geany] [Feature request] Sorting text (#2782)

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> > Where are you getting the source from?

> geanie-plugins on GitHub

When you clone Geany-Plugins repository you get `autogen.sh` in the top level 
directory which generates `configure` which generates `makefile`s, thats how 
autotools works.

> in this case, it would be a nice idea to create a pre-compiled plugins for 
> separarelly Windows and Linux. 

I don't think you understood, the Windows plugin binaries are on the download 
page I linked.  

And as I said, for Linux every distribution is _different_, they put files in 
different locations, they use different packaging tools, they use different 
compiler versions and library versions, some don't even use binaries at all, so 
the Geany project can't provide pre-compiled binaries for "Linux", its just not 
like windows.

But the distributions provide binaries configured for their system as part of 
their distribution.  So I still don't understand why you say a user needs to 
compile any of the plugins collection, they get the plugins they want from 
their distribution.  

On this particular distribution I am using here I just open the software 
manager select the programming group and presto!! Geany is the top of the list, 
click to install, then scroll down a bit and Geany Plugins collection is 
available as one item, click to install, done!!

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Re: [Github-comments] [geany/geany] [Feature request] Sorting text (#2782)

[Michal Dziczkowski]

Do you remember that we were talking about the plugins and not the Geany itself?

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Re: [Github-comments] [geany/geany] [Feature request] Sorting text (#2782)

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> Do you remember that we were talking about the plugins and not the Geany 
> itself?

Yes. "then scroll down a bit and Geany Plugins collection is available as one 
item, click to install, done!!"

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[Github-comments] [geany/geany] Not actual version of Geanie in Ubuntu repository (#2783)

[Michal Dziczkowski]

I have a question. Does anyone know who provides the actual version of Geany 
for the Ubuntu repository and/or eventually maintanance it?

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Re: [Github-comments] [geany/geany] Not actual version of Geanie in Ubuntu repository (#2783)

[elextr]

The Geany package for Ubuntu says "Ubuntu Developers".  

>From your title I guess you are concerned that Ubuntu has 1.36 when Geany is 
>1.37?  That is likely just due to timing, the Geany release of 1.37 in 
>November was just after Ubuntu in October , and Ubuntu does not change 
>versions after release, but hopefully the next release 21.04 will include 
>Geany 1.37 (and plugins collection).

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Re: [Github-comments] [geany/geany] Not actual version of Geanie in Ubuntu repository (#2783)

[Michal Dziczkowski]

I use a distribution called "FossaDog", with is a connection of Puppy Linux and 
Ubuntu (fossa) as a LiveUSB.

In it, the latest avaliable version is shown as 1.28-2, even if there is a 
newer version avaliable.

Ahead of your possible nex question: no, I can't update it to the groovy 
version because to sucessfully do that, I would need to install it into a hard 
drive, and, I don't know why, it appeared some strange bootloader issue (with 
got reported), with makes impossible to boot the installed system, plus there 
is no newer ISO then the one I had used to make the LiveUSB

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Re: [Github-comments] [geany/geany] Not actual version of Geanie in Ubuntu repository (#2783)

[elextr]

Closed #2783.

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Re: [Github-comments] [geany/geany] Not actual version of Geanie in Ubuntu repository (#2783)

[elextr]

Well I said all Linux distros are different, and that one is definitely 
"different" :smile:.  It shows the diversity that makes it impossible for us to 
provide binaries for all Linuxes.  

The thing is I think you are expecting something that neither Puppy nor Ubuntu 
offer, upgrading versions of software in existing releases, all they offer is 
critical bugfixes, not new versions.  And the fact that this particular distro 
hasn't made a newer release and ISO is not something you should expect Geany or 
other projects to compensate for.

To get a continually updated distro you need whats called a "rolling" distro 
that continuously updates things (and occasionally breaks stuff by doing so, 
thats the tradeoff).  But that as a USB stick I don't know of one.

But its not anything thats a Geany issue, so closing.

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[Github-comments] [geany/geany] open project in different window (#2784)

[jorigel]

Hi,
I was trying to open two different projects in two different editor windows 
without the first project being closed before the second is opened. Haven't 
been successful yet. What to do to solve the problem?
Thank You
jori

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Re: [Github-comments] [geany/geany] open project in different window (#2784)

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Geany is a single window/single instance application and it can only have one 
project open at a time.  You can open a second instance with -i BUT it does not 
know about the other instance and preferences will be overwritten by whichever 
is closed last, unless you also specify a separate config using -c. 

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