There's a fair amount of code out there which uses (~>) as a type
variable (we have ~10k lines of heavy arrow code at iPwn). It would be
*really* nice if that could be accommodated somehow. But the proposal
you just gave at least would allow for a textual substitution, so not
quite so bad as having to change everything to prefix notation.
On 14 September 2012 19:26, Simon Peyton-Jones wrote:
> Fair point. So you are saying it’d be ok to say
>
>
>
> data T (.->) = MkT (Int .-> Int)
>
>
>
> where (.+) is a type variable? Leaving ordinary (+) available for type
> constructors.
>
>
>
> If we are inverting the convention I wonder whether we might invert it
> completely and use “:” as the “I’m different” herald as we do for
> *constructor* operators in terms. Thus
>
>
>
> data T (:->) = MkT (Int :-> Int)
>
>
>
> That seems symmetrical, and perhaps nicer than having a new notation.
>
>
>
> In terms In types
>
> ---
>
> aTerm variable Type variable
>
> AData constructor Type constructor
>
> +Term variable operator Type constructor operator
>
> :+ Data constructor operator Type variable operator
>
>
>
> Any other opinions?
>
>
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> From: conal.elli...@gmail.com [mailto:conal.elli...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Conal Elliott
> Sent: 06 September 2012 23:59
> To: Simon Peyton-Jones
> Cc: GHC users
> Subject: Re: Type operators in GHC
>
>
>
> Oh dear. I'm very sorry to have missed this discussion back in January. I'd
> be awfully sad to lose pretty infix notation for type variables of kind * ->
> * -> *. I use them extensively in my libraries and projects, and pretty
> notation matters.
>
> I'd be okay switching to some convention other than lack of leading ':' for
> signaling that a symbol is a type variable rather than constructor, e.g.,
> the *presence* of a leading character such as '.'.
>
> Given the increasing use of arrow-ish techniques and of type-level
> programming, I would not classify the up-to-7.4 behavior as a "foolish
> consistency", especially going forward.
>
> -- Conal
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:27 AM, Simon Peyton-Jones
> wrote:
>
> Dear GHC users
>
> As part of beefing up the kind system, we plan to implement the "Type
> operators" proposal for Haskell Prime
> http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/haskell-prime/wiki/InfixTypeConstructors
>
> GHC has had type operators for some kind, so you can say
> data a :+: b = Left a | Right b
> but you can only do that for operators which start with ":".
>
> As part of the above wiki page you can see the proposal to broaden this to
> ALL operators, allowing
> data a + b = Left a | Right b
>
> Although this technically inconsistent the value page (as the wiki page
> discussed), I think the payoff is huge. (And "A foolish consistency is the
> hobgoblin of little minds", Emerson)
>
>
> This email is (a) to highlight the plan, and (b) to ask about flags. Our
> preferred approach is to *change* what -XTypeOperators does, to allow type
> operators that do not start with :. But that will mean that *some*
> (strange) programs will stop working. The only example I have seen in tc192
> of GHC's test suite
> {-# LANGUAGE TypeOperators #-}
> comp :: Arrow (~>) => (b~>c, c~>d)~>(b~>d)
> comp = arr (uncurry (>>>))
>
> Written more conventionally, the signature would look like
> comp :: Arrow arr => arr (arr b c, arr c d) (arr b d)
> comp = arr (uncurry (>>>))
> or, in infix notation
> {-# LANGUAGE TypeOperators #-}
> comp :: Arrow arr => (b `arr` c, c `arr` d) `arr` (b `arr` d)
> comp = arr (uncurry (>>>))
>
> But tc192 as it stands would become ILLEGAL, because (~>) would be a type
> *constructor* rather than (as now) a type *variable*. Of course it's easily
> fixed, as above, but still a breakage is a breakage.
>
> It would be possible to have two flags, so as to get
> - Haskell 98 behaviour
> - Current TypeOperator behaviuor
> - New TypeOperator behaviour
> but it turns out to be Quite Tiresome to do so, and I would much rather not.
> Can you live with that?
>
>
> http://chrisdone.com/posts/2010-10-07-haskelldb-and-typeoperator-madness.html
>
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