Re: [Gmail-Users] POP or IMAP ? The old question

2014-04-18 Thread Marko Vukovic
​Hey Andy​

On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Andy ai.eg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Years ago I used an email client program with Gmail.  I used POP3 to
 download all messages to my PC.  It was the only choice.

 A few years later, Gmail added IMAP support.  Everyone said it was better
 than POP3, but at the time I kept using POP3 anyway.  Some time after that,
 I stopped using the email client program altogether and instead used
 Gmail's webmail interface.

 But it bothers me that I don't have a backup or local copy of my messages.
  So I am thinking of going back to the email client program.  Now, the
 question once again is whether to use POP or IMAP.

 I understand basically how POP works (from a user's perspective), but not
 IMAP.

 One IMAP advantage is supposed to be that all messages are in the same
 folders on my PC as they are in Gmail's Labels, and that changes made in
 one (say, the PC side), automagically reflect in the other.  Another is
 something about better synchronizing, whatever that means in this context.


​With IMAP, the messages are essentially stored on the server and your mail
client synchronizes with that. Mail clients such as Thunderbird will
maintain a local store of the messages, and keep that in sync with the
server. The parameters of this are configurable in the client eg. max. size
of email to download, how much disk space to use, how far back etc.

Backing this up is trivial, it is simply a matter of taking a copy of the
folder ImapMail\imap.gmail.com under the profile directory. Here the
messages are stored as individual files under subfolders eg. INBOX.mozmsgs.
These .wdseml files are easily opened in the mail client.​

​Here is a document in the Mozillazine KB:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/IMAP_backup​

​Using Outlook, one could simply take a backup of the .PST file, or even
use the Export function to create one.​


One more IMAP feature is supposed to be that you can use IMAP to upload
 older messages you have from before you had Gmail, to your Gmail account.
  Then you can have all your emails in one place.  I have emails going back
 several years and it would be handy not having to locate them in different
 places, and be able to search through all of them.


​Indeed. One could simply drag and drop messages into the IMAP folder and
they would sync up to the server.​

A concern with that is, if I accidentally delete a message on one side
 (either Google's end or my PC's end), or if a Gmail glitch makes some
 messages disappear, do they delete on the other end too?  POP doesn't have
 that problem.


​This is the one con with IMAP, especially a concern if one's Gmail account
is compromised. ​But then again, if using POP and say, my house is burgled
and all computer equipment goes, so do all my messages.

Anyway ... I am wondering, is IMAP really so much better?

 Why would one choose IMAP over POP3, or vice-versa?


​If, like me, one reads email on multiple devices, it is useful to have
them all in sync. If I send an email from my phone, I want to have that in
my Sent Mail folder in Gmail and in Thunderbird.

All the state information of messages when using POP3 are maintained in the
client eg. read/unread. This is very unreliable and also obviously is not
visible across interfaces/devices. ​

​In my experience, IMAP is the more reliable method. Keeping one's account
secure is obviously highly important though. Taking regular backups is
important with either method, but I certainly feel more comfortable having
a local backup *and* security of cloud storage.

-- 
Marko

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Re: [Gmail-Users] POP or IMAP ? The old question

2014-04-17 Thread Keith Bainbridge
G'day Andy

You got me re-thinking about the same question.

I'm going to put in place an email client that stores each mail item as a
separate file, re-set pop at gmail ie turn it off, then back on for all
messages; and set up a simple, local back-up of that mail directory.

I tried the Google approach. It creates a giant compressed file which you
download a few days later when it is ready. My view is that back-up files
should be as small as possible. This thinking also turns me off programs
that store large amounts of data in 1 file, but I digress.

My preference for this is OperaMail/Browser as it stores mail in
directories year/month/date based on their original receipt.

The plan is to allow the email client to run but not use it unless I need
to retrieve something I lost elsewhere.

I also send all mail direct to a 2nd gmail account on receipt, via a
filter. I tried to get old mail to copy over with the filter but as far as
I could see that didn't work.

Thanks

Regards

Keith Bainbridge

+61 (0)447 667 468

keithr...@gmail.com


On 17 April 2014 14:41, Andy ai.eg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Years ago I used an email client program with Gmail.  I used POP3 to
 download all messages to my PC.  It was the only choice.

 A few years later, Gmail added IMAP support.  Everyone said it was better
 than POP3, but at the time I kept using POP3 anyway.  Some time after that,
 I stopped using the email client program altogether and instead used
 Gmail's webmail interface.

 But it bothers me that I don't have a backup or local copy of my messages.
  So I am thinking of going back to the email client program.  Now, the
 question once again is whether to use POP or IMAP.

 I understand basically how POP works (from a user's perspective), but not
 IMAP.

 One IMAP advantage is supposed to be that all messages are in the same
 folders on my PC as they are in Gmail's Labels, and that changes made in
 one (say, the PC side), automagically reflect in the other.  Another is
 something about better synchronizing, whatever that means in this context.

 One more IMAP feature is supposed to be that you can use IMAP to upload
 older messages you have from before you had Gmail, to your Gmail account.
  Then you can have all your emails in one place.  I have emails going back
 several years and it would be handy not having to locate them in different
 places, and be able to search through all of them.

 A concern with that is, if I accidentally delete a message on one side
 (either Google's end or my PC's end), or if a Gmail glitch makes some
 messages disappear, do they delete on the other end too?  POP doesn't have
 that problem.

 Anyway ... I am wondering, is IMAP really so much better?

 Why would one choose IMAP over POP3, or vice-versa?

 Thanks,
 Andy


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