[gmx-users] How to visualize .edo file

2007-09-19 Thread Anirban Ghosh
Hi All,
I have generated a .edo file through mdrun and now want to analyze it. Can 
anyone tell me how to visualize/analyze this .edo file.
All suggestions are welcome.

Regards,


 
  Anirban Ghosh
  M.Tech Bioinformatics
  University of Hyderabad
  Hyderabad - 500 046
  Andhra Pradesh
  India

   
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Re: [gmx-users] Atomic distances problems using gmxcheck

2007-09-19 Thread David van der Spoel

yudaqi wrote:

Hello gmx-users:
When using gmxcheck to compare the bond length in .tpr files and .trr
files, I get the following long list error:
Distance between atoms 1 and 2 is 0.100, should be 0.010
Distance between atoms 1 and 3 is 0.101, should be 0.010
Distance between atoms 1 and 4 is 0.100, should be 0.010
Distance between atoms 1 and 5 is 0.146, should be 0.022


If you look close the expected distance seems to be the square of the 
distance. Could it be you are using a GROMOS force field?



..
I have searched the maillists in the web site of gromacs, and found the
same problems has been issued by other users. However, I can not find
detailed explanations about this. 
	So I wonder why the bond length should be of the order of 0.01 nm? 
Thank you very much.

YuDaqi

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Re: [gmx-users] Atomic distances problems using gmxcheck

2007-09-19 Thread David van der Spoel

yudaqi wrote:

Hello gmx-users:
When using gmxcheck to compare the bond length in .tpr files and .trr
files, I get the following long list error:
Distance between atoms 1 and 2 is 0.100, should be 0.010
Distance between atoms 1 and 3 is 0.101, should be 0.010
Distance between atoms 1 and 4 is 0.100, should be 0.010
Distance between atoms 1 and 5 is 0.146, should be 0.022
..
I have searched the maillists in the web site of gromacs, and found the
same problems has been issued by other users. However, I can not find
detailed explanations about this. 
	So I wonder why the bond length should be of the order of 0.01 nm? 


I fixed it in CVS. Will be in 3.3.2


Thank you very much.
YuDaqi

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[gmx-users] Mmxcheck Messages and Timesteps

2007-09-19 Thread Shay Amram
Hello Gromacs users,

 

I ran gmxcheck on a trr file I got from running energy minimization,

Gmxcheck's output is:

-

Checking file 4PLMYWOrg01_em_tim.trr

trn version: GMX_trn_file (single precision)

Reading frame   0 time0.000

# Atoms  55986

Reading frame  11 time 1001.000

Timesteps at t=1000 don't match (100, 1)

Last frame 11 time 1001.000

 

 

Item#frames

Step12

Time12

Lambda  12

Coords  11

Velocities   0

Forces   1

Box 12

 

gcq#259: Everything Must Go (Red Hot Chili Peppers)

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So my question is - What does that mean Timesteps at t=1000 don't match..?

(and where can I find more information regarding to gmxcheck messages?)

 

Thank you in advance,

Shay Amram

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Re: [gmx-users] Mmxcheck Messages and Timesteps

2007-09-19 Thread David van der Spoel

Shay Amram wrote:



Hello Gromacs users,

 


I ran gmxcheck on a trr file I got from running energy minimization,

Gmxcheck’s output is:

-

*/ Checking file 4PLMYWOrg01_em_tim.trr /*

*/ trn version: GMX_trn_file (single precision) /*

*/ Reading /* */ frame   0 time0.000 /*

*/ # Atoms  55986 /*

*/ Reading frame  11 time 1001.000 /*

*/ Timesteps at t=1000 don't match (100, 1) /*

*/ Last frame 11 time 1001.000 /*

*/   /*

*/   /*

*/ Item#frames /*

*/ Step12 /*

*/ Time12 /*

*/ Lambda  12 /*

*/ Coords  11 /*

*/ Velocities   0 /*

*/ Forces   1 /*

*/ Box /* */  12 /* */ /*

*/   /*

*/ gcq#259: Everything Must Go (Red Hot Chili Peppers) /*

--

 

So my question is – What does that mean “Timesteps at t=1000 don’t 
match….”?

(and where can I find more information regarding to gmxcheck messages?)


nowehere I'm afraid. These messages are intended for MD trajectories in 
which case you usually want to have the same time step between frames. 
For EM this is meaningless.




 


Thank you in advance,

Shay Amram




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RE: [gmx-users] RE: Neutralising charge distribution

2007-09-19 Thread Georgios Patargias
Hi Jeroen

Thank you for your reply. I just wanted to know whether the correction 
term for the 'uniform background charge' is included in the code;  I didn't 
meant to to take it out.

Another thing is about the dipole correction that is applied for conducting 
boundary conditions. Is it switched off in PME when epsilon-surface is 0?

Regards 
George



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Hi George,

Yes, such a correction term exists, but it's a divergent term. This term
is IMPLICITLY included in the energy, since it compensates for the
divergent part in the reciprocal space term, leaving a constant term.
This constant term is included explicitly in the code.

You could take this constant term out. But be very aware that this
constant term not only represents the 'uniform background charge' (or
'neutralising charge distribution', if you will) but also the divergent
part of reciprocal space term. So simply leaving it out would be highly
unphysical, at least in my opinion.

If you really want to know more, I suggest digging into the formulas
yourself. :-)

Greetz,
Jeroen


Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:17:17 +0100
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Hello 

I would like to ask what is the functional form of the uniform 
neutralising charge distribution applied in Gromacs when doing 
PME on a charged system. 

Is there a correction term for this charge distribution that 
is included in the calculation of energies?

Thanks
George
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Re: [gmx-users] RE: Neutralising charge distribution

2007-09-19 Thread David van der Spoel

Georgios Patargias wrote:

Hi Jeroen

Thank you for your reply. I just wanted to know whether the correction 
term for the 'uniform background charge' is included in the code;  I didn't 
meant to to take it out.


Another thing is about the dipole correction that is applied for conducting 
boundary conditions. Is it switched off in PME when epsilon-surface is 0?



check the equations in the manual, they are correct (famous last words...)

Regards 
George




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Hi George,


Yes, such a correction term exists, but it's a divergent term. This term
is IMPLICITLY included in the energy, since it compensates for the
divergent part in the reciprocal space term, leaving a constant term.
This constant term is included explicitly in the code.

You could take this constant term out. But be very aware that this
constant term not only represents the 'uniform background charge' (or
'neutralising charge distribution', if you will) but also the divergent
part of reciprocal space term. So simply leaving it out would be highly
unphysical, at least in my opinion.

If you really want to know more, I suggest digging into the formulas
yourself. :-)

Greetz,
Jeroen



Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:17:17 +0100
From: Georgios Patargias [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [gmx-users] Neutralising charge distribution
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Hello 

I would like to ask what is the functional form of the uniform 
neutralising charge distribution applied in Gromacs when doing 
PME on a charged system. 

Is there a correction term for this charge distribution that 
is included in the calculation of energies?


Thanks
George

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[gmx-users] RE: Neutralising charge distribution

2007-09-19 Thread van Bemmelen
Hi George,

Sorry, I got a bit carried away. Actually, I once thought of somehow
taking it out myself, so probably that's why. ;-)

About the dipole correction: I haven't experimented with it myself, but
I'm pretty sure it's switched off when epsilon_surface is 0. That's also
what the manual says (see
http://www.gromacs.org/documentation/reference/online/mdp_opt.html#ewald
): The default value of zero means it is turned off.

If you need to be certain about what's exactly going on in the code, you
may want to check the function ewald_LRcorrection in the file
ewald_util.c.

Hope it helps,
Jeroen


Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:40:52 +0100
From: Georgios Patargias [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Jeroen

Thank you for your reply. I just wanted to know whether the correction 
term for the 'uniform background charge' is included in the 
code;  I didn't 
meant to to take it out.

Another thing is about the dipole correction that is applied 
for conducting 
boundary conditions. Is it switched off in PME when 
epsilon-surface is 0?

Regards 
George
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RE: [gmx-users] RE: Neutralising charge distribution

2007-09-19 Thread Georgios Patargias
Hi Jeroen

Thanks once again for your reply. 

Best wishes 
George


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Hi George,

Sorry, I got a bit carried away. Actually, I once thought of somehow
taking it out myself, so probably that's why. ;-)

About the dipole correction: I haven't experimented with it myself, but
I'm pretty sure it's switched off when epsilon_surface is 0. That's also
what the manual says (see
http://www.gromacs.org/documentation/reference/online/mdp_opt.html#ewald
): The default value of zero means it is turned off.

If you need to be certain about what's exactly going on in the code, you
may want to check the function ewald_LRcorrection in the file
ewald_util.c.

Hope it helps,
Jeroen


Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:40:52 +0100
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Hi Jeroen

Thank you for your reply. I just wanted to know whether the correction 
term for the 'uniform background charge' is included in the 
code;  I didn't 
meant to to take it out.

Another thing is about the dipole correction that is applied 
for conducting 
boundary conditions. Is it switched off in PME when 
epsilon-surface is 0?

Regards 
George
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Re: [gmx-users] topology of Alpha d-mannopyranosyl (1-6) alpha d-mannopyranose

2007-09-19 Thread Mark Abraham

parichita parichita wrote:
Thaks for your suggesion... 
 
I want to use Gromacs for MD on my disaccharides in explicit water box.Now, the 
problem I encounter is that the pdb2gmx produces the topologies where hydrogens 
sitting on carbons are condensed on carbon atoms they sit on. I need them explicitly 
since I would like to study the NMR coupling contanst of hydroxy protons and C-H protons.I 
mean 3J(H-O-C-H) and measure the distance between the C-H proton through the glycosidic linkage. 
So my questions are;


1- Are the force fields(45a3,53a5) that are implemented in Gromacs capable of taking care 
of hydrogens sitting on carbon atoms in a sugar molecule explicitly?


See below, and http://wiki.gromacs.org/index.php/Force_Fields

2- How can I most reliably produce topologies for my disaccharide that will 
be placed in a water box to perform MD?


pdb2gmx... you should find and do some tutorial material to learn about 
this.


I am quite new to MD methods therefore I apologize already now if I put 
forward something incoherent.


You should definitely be doing some background reading of textbooks and 
tutorials if you haven't yet come across the phenomena of united-atom 
and all-atom force fields. MD simulations are fabulously easy ways to 
generate very expensive random numbers, and there's no substitute for 
library work and careful experimentation. The first few chapters of the 
GROMACS manual are a good place to start.


Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] topology of Alpha d-mannopyranosyl (1-6) alpha d-mannopyranose

2007-09-19 Thread parichita parichita

Thaks for your suggesion... 
 
I want to use Gromacs for MD on my disaccharides in explicit water box.Now, the 
problem I encounter is that the pdb2gmx produces the topologies where hydrogens 
sitting on carbons are condensed on carbon atoms they sit on. I need them 
explicitly 
since I would like to study the NMR coupling contanst of hydroxy protons and 
C-H protons.I 
mean 3J(H-O-C-H) and measure the distance between the C-H proton through the 
glycosidic linkage. 
So my questions are;

1- Are the force fields(45a3,53a5) that are implemented in Gromacs capable of 
taking care 
of hydrogens sitting on carbon atoms in a sugar molecule explicitly?

2- How can I most reliably produce topologies for my disaccharide that will 
be placed in a water box to perform MD?


I am quite new to MD methods therefore I apologize already now if I put 
forward something incoherent.

Thanks for the help,
 

Tsjerk Wassenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Parichita,

My guess is you only thought to have 1-6 linkage, because the atoms
seemed so nicely involved in the .pdb file. But you'll have to define
a bond explicitly or it won't be there to break in the first place. I
think you need to read up on topologies, force fields and general
background about simulating molecular systems. Chapter 5 is a must. If
you continue on this path, note that sugar dihedrals, especially the
ones connecting the rings, are complex. Check out Roberto Lins' paper
on the 45a3 force field.

Tsjerk

On 9/17/07, Mark Abraham  wrote:
 parichita parichita wrote:
  Hi again.
Thank you for your help
   I found my MANA in the ffG53a5.rtp and i can prepare
  the .gro and .top file from pdb2gmx.
  Now , i am facing another problem after solvation of
  my solute when i run the minimization the 1-6 linkage
  was broken ..
  please help me out 

 linkage was broken doesn't help us help you. Please describe in detail
 what you observed and why you think it was wrong.

 Mark
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[gmx-users] MD simulation of Alpha d-mannopyranosyl (1-6) alpha d-mannopyranose

2007-09-19 Thread parichita parichita
Hi 
 
Somer,

  I want to simulate my Alpha d-mannopyranosyl (1-6) alpha d-mannopyranose  
   
explicitly using my NOE restrain.
 I am new to MD using GROMACS .
 Please,give some thought .
 
Thanks in advance
   parichita

 

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University of Calcutta 
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[gmx-users] RE: Neutralising charge distribution

2007-09-19 Thread van Bemmelen
Actually, I'd say they're not incorrect, but incomplete (well, for many
systems). There's no mention of the correction terms George was asking
about, only the self correction term is taken into account in those
equations. But they're in the code allright, and a lot can be induced
from the mdp parameters.

Jeroen


check the equations in the manual, they are correct (famous 
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[gmx-users] POPC simulation

2007-09-19 Thread Moutusi Manna
  thanks for reply.I want to perform simulation of popc membrane.
  Steps which i have done are as follows:
  1. download popc128a.pdb, popc.it,lipids.itp
  (http://moose.bio.ucalgary.ca/index.php?page=Structures_and_Topologies)
  2. download ffgmx_lipids files
  3.convert POPC of .top  popc.itp into POP as in popc.gro
  4. #include ffgmx.itp 
  #include lipid.itp
  #include popc.itp
  #include ffgmxnb.itp
  #include ffgmxbon.itp
   in my .top file.
   
  Now when I perform
  pdb2gmx -ff gmx -f popc128a.pdb -o popc.gro -p popc.top
  it shows the error thatResidue 'POP' not found in residue topology database.
  I think that's because of the fact that ffgmx.rtp do not 
  contain POP residue ,but it has DPPC residue. 
  Plz suggest how can i solve this problem.
  thanks.

   
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Re: [gmx-users] POPC simulation

2007-09-19 Thread Justin A. Lemkul
Quoting Moutusi Manna [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   thanks for reply.I want to perform simulation of popc membrane.
   Steps which i have done are as follows:
   1. download popc128a.pdb, popc.it,lipids.itp
   (http://moose.bio.ucalgary.ca/index.php?page=Structures_and_Topologies)
   2. download ffgmx_lipids files
   3.convert POPC of .top  popc.itp into POP as in popc.gro
   4. #include ffgmx.itp
   #include lipid.itp
   #include popc.itp
   #include ffgmxnb.itp
   #include ffgmxbon.itp

These last two lines should already be included in ffgmx.itp, and including them
twice may cause some headaches.

    in my .top file.

   Now when I perform
   pdb2gmx -ff gmx -f popc128a.pdb -o popc.gro -p popc.top
   it shows the error thatResidue 'POP' not found in residue topology
 database.
   I think that's because of the fact that ffgmx.rtp do not
   contain POP residue ,but it has DPPC residue.
   Plz suggest how can i solve this problem.
   thanks.

Use editconf to convert between .pdb and .gro.  You only need pdb2gmx if you
don't have a .top file, but Prof. Tieleman has kindly provided this for you
already, in the form of lipid.itp and popc.itp.

-Justin


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Re: Re: [gmx-users] Atomic distances problems using gmxcheck

2007-09-19 Thread yudaqi
Hello David:
Yes, you are right. the value equals to the square of the distance,
approximately. In fact, the force field I used was GROMOS96 43a1 force
field. I have also tried the other kind of force fields, such as
OPLS-AA/L all-atom force field, the same warning was reported, but the
should be value seemed much more reasonable.
Thank you very much for your help!
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 yudaqi wrote:
  Hello gmx-users:
  When using gmxcheck to compare the bond length in .tpr files and .trr
  files, I get the following long list error:
  Distance between atoms 1 and 2 is 0.100, should be 0.010
  Distance between atoms 1 and 3 is 0.101, should be 0.010
  Distance between atoms 1 and 4 is 0.100, should be 0.010
  Distance between atoms 1 and 5 is 0.146, should be 0.022
 
 If you look close the expected distance seems to be the square of the 
 distance. Could it be you are using a GROMOS force field?
 
  ..
  I have searched the maillists in the web site of gromacs, and found the
  same problems has been issued by other users. However, I can not find
  detailed explanations about this. 
  So I wonder why the bond length should be of the order of 0.01 nm? 
  Thank you very much.
  YuDaqi
  
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[gmx-users] Re: Atomic distances problems using gmxcheck (David van der Spoel)

2007-09-19 Thread yudaqi
Hello, David
I have download the CVS version 3.3.2. it works well. 
Thank you very much for your hard work in gromacs.
YuDaqi
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[gmx-users] Impulsive motion resulting from AFM pulling

2007-09-19 Thread Robert Johnson
Hello everyone,
Eventually I want to pull a carbon nanotube through water at a
constant rate. Before I get to this, I'm pulling a nanotube in vacuum
just to make sure I'm using the pull code correctly.

My system consists of a carbon nanotube aligned along the z axis and a
single dummy atom fixed on the z axis. Here is my pull.ppa file:

runtype = afm
ngroups = 1
group_1 = nanotube
pulldim = Y N N
reference_group = dummy
reftype = com
afm_rate1 = 0.1
afm_dir1 = 1 0 0
afm_k1 = 10
afm_init1 = 2.00 2.00 4.042

Here, the coordinates for afm_init1 is the initial center of mass of
the nanotube (thus, the system should start out with zero applied
force). Applying this pulling force results in the nanotube undergoing
a complicated oscillation as it moves along the +x direction. A graph
of the nanotube position as a function of time is shown here:
http://dept.physics.upenn.edu/~robertjo/gmx/nt-position.jpg

What is causing oscillations of this type? I was expecting the
nanotube to move at a constant rate. Does this have anything to do
with the fact that I'm pulling the nanotube in vacuum? Perhaps in
aqueous solution, the solvent will damp these types of oscillations.
Any ideas as to how to remove this?
Thanks,
Bob
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[gmx-users] VDW Default and PME question

2007-09-19 Thread Jason O'Young

Hi All,

Does anyone know what the default vdw type if none is specified?

Is the value in brackets in the manual the default? If so, there is  
none listed for VWD type.



Additionally, if PME is selected as the coulombtype, do the cutoffs  
matter? I am a bit confused in this regard.


Thanks in advance,
Jason


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[gmx-users] AFM Pulling and com motion

2007-09-19 Thread Zhou Bo
Hi GXM Users,

 

   I'm trying to execute some AFM Pulling. I followed the pull code tutorial
from GMX WORKSHOP 2007, and I found there is no specific to com motion in
mdp, so the default is comm-mode=Linear and comm-grps=System. I was
confused about it as I believed we should not stopcm when doing AFM Pulling
because of the external force. Does it problematic to stopcm when doing AFM
Pulling?

Thanks!

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