[gmx-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Simulation of silicon oxide surfaces

2008-07-23 Thread Michael Hirtz
David van der Spoel spoel at xray.bmc.uu.se wrote:

 [reference to articles]

Thanks for the reference to your article and that of Wensink, that looks
exactly like the information I need...

Best regards,
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[gmx-users] new version of C terminus database for charmm

2008-07-23 Thread sarbani chattopadhyay
  
Hi,
   I am trying to run gromacs with charmm forcefield.
# I had run the perl program convert_charmm_to_gromacs.pl and put the output 
files 
ffcharmmbon.itp and ffcharmmnb.itp into the gromacs share/gromacs/top 
directory.

# I had put all the files from the tar file into the share/gromacs/top 
directory.

# I had updated the FF.dat file to include the charmm file.

# I undersatand that the format of the termini database have changed for the 
3.3.2 version. 
I could make the changes in ffcharmm-n.tdb.

Accordingly I tried to make the changes in ffcharmm-c.tdb, but when I give 
the command 
pdb2gmx -f 1aoc.gro -ff charmm -ter
I get the following error
Reading Termini Database: expected 3 items of atom data in stead of 1 on line
   O   OC 15.9994  -0.670
I guess the ffcharmm-c.tdb file has not been changed correctly.Has anyone done 
it?
I will be grateful if someone can help me in this. 

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[gmx-users] Re: a tip to run gromacs from Fink in mac duo core

2008-07-23 Thread Alan
Thanks vdSpoel,

Just one more question.

So, in a dual/quad core computer, do -sort -shuffle do any difference
for better? I mean, is there use for 'sort and shuffle' in a
multi-core computer (not cluster!)?

Cheers,
Alan

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 Hi list!

 I would like to know among mac intel users with Fink, which gromacs
 with mpi to use:

 gromacs-mpi-lammpi or
 gromacs-mpi-openmpi

 Or there's any easier way (multi-threads is still not working in GMX, right?)?



 Many thanks in advance.
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Re: [gmx-users] Re: a tip to run gromacs from Fink in mac duo core

2008-07-23 Thread Carsten Kutzner

Alan wrote:

Thanks vdSpoel,

Just one more question.

So, in a dual/quad core computer, do -sort -shuffle do any difference
for better? I mean, is there use for 'sort and shuffle' in a
multi-core computer (not cluster!)?

Definitely, because shuffle will enhance the load balancing (unless you
have just one protein in water) and sort the locality of the data.
This will enhance the performance on both shared and distributed memory.

Cheers,
  Carsten




Cheers,
Alan

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Hi list!

I would like to know among mac intel users with Fink, which gromacs
with mpi to use:

gromacs-mpi-lammpi or
gromacs-mpi-openmpi

Or there's any easier way (multi-threads is still not working in GMX, right?)?



Many thanks in advance.
Alan

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[gmx-users] How to build boxes with constant number of solvent molecules?

2008-07-23 Thread Peyman Yamin
Hello dears,

I want to solvate different conformations of a molecule in a water box and I 
want to have the same number of solvent molecules in my box at the end. 
I do it with genbox but end up with different number of solvent molecules. A 
random insertion of more molecules results in a box which would not be easily 
equilibrated.
I also tried to solvate in a larger box and then delete some molecules from 
the end of file so that I have a certain number of molecules for all of them, 
but it also results in a strange looking environments in the box which mostly 
lead to an equilibration crash.

Does one know any practical strategy to solvate a molecule in a box and have 
the number of solvent molecules fixed??

I appreciate any suggestions,
regards,
Peyman


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[gmx-users] topologies from autodock

2008-07-23 Thread KAUSHIK H.S.
hi, I have got a docked complex (ligand and protein) in pdb format from 
autodock.  I am unable to generate topoloy file for the docked complex, (but, I 
can do the same for protein and ligand separately).  Can any of you please 
guide me in generating topoloy file for the docked complex..  Let me be more 
candid, I am novice in this field.regards,Kaushik 


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[gmx-users] genion strips +, -, digits. Bug or feature?

2008-07-23 Thread Hans Martin Senn

Dear all

I have added the new AMBER ion definitions from Joung and Cheatham to  
my ffamber* force field files. Following the nomenclature these ions  
have in AMBER, I use the same name for the atom name, the residue  
name, and the molecule type, which includes the charge. E.g., I have


In ions.itp:

[ moleculetype ]
K+   3
 [ atoms ]
1   amber99_92  1   K+  K+1   
1 39.1



and correspondingly

In ffamber*nb.itp:

amber99_92   K+  0.  0.  A   3.03796E-01  8.10369E-01


Now, when using
   genion -pname K+ (or -pname K+ or -pname 'K+')
I get ion entries in the gro file for K+ residues containing K  
atoms, rather than K+ atoms.


Naively, I had assumed that the name defined with -pname is the  
residue name (= molecule type) and that genion looks up the  
corresponding atom name in ions.itp. This is obviously not the case...
Some playing around seems to suggest that the string supplied with - 
pname is indeed used as the residue name. However, +, -, and any  
preceding or following digits are then stripped to produce the atom  
name. So, e.g., -pname Xyz3% gives Xyz3% for both residue and atom  
names, whereas -pname Xyz-3 produces atoms named Xyz.


Is this an undocumented (and rather annoying and unnecessary) feature  
or a bug?



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[gmx-users] Is it correct

2008-07-23 Thread shahrbanoo karbalaee
Dear justin
In my work MD peptide(with 13 aa) I use this md.mdp.would ypu please
say me Is that correct.

title   =  cpeptide MD
cpp =  /lib/cpp
constraints =  all-bonds
integrator  =  md
dt  =  0.002; ps !
nsteps  =  5000 ; total 5 ps.
nstcomm =  1
nstxout =  50
nstvout =  0
nstfout =  0
nstlist =  10
ns_type =  grid
rlist   =  1.0
rcoulomb=  1.0
rvdw=  1.0
; Berendsen temperature coupling is on in two groups
Tcoupl  =  berendsen
tau_t   =  0.1  0.1
tc-grps =  protein  sol
ref_t   =  300  300
; Pressure coupling is not on
Pcoupl  =  no
tau_p   =  0.5
compressibility =  4.5e-5
ref_p   =  1.0
; Generate velocites is on at 300 K.
gen_vel =  yes
gen_temp=  300.0
gen_seed=  173529

-- 
2)In the place program doesent have phrase for example PME,does.
the gromacs use default?
3)when I use berendsen coupling is on and pcoup =yes and In my work is
 effect in fluctuate?

best
sh-karbalaee
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Re: [gmx-users] new version of C terminus database for charmm

2008-07-23 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



sarbani chattopadhyay wrote:
 
Hi,

  I am trying to run gromacs with charmm forcefield.
# I had run the perl program convert_charmm_to_gromacs.pl and put the 
output files
ffcharmmbon.itp and ffcharmmnb.itp into the gromacs 
share/gromacs/top directory.


# I had put all the files from the tar file into the share/gromacs/top 
directory.


# I had updated the FF.dat file to include the charmm file.

# I undersatand that the format of the termini database have changed for 
the 3.3.2 version.

I could make the changes in ffcharmm-n.tdb.

Accordingly I tried to make the changes in ffcharmm-c.tdb, but when I 
give the command

pdb2gmx -f 1aoc.gro -ff charmm -ter
I get the following error
Reading Termini Database: expected 3 items of atom data in stead of 1 on 
line

  O  OC15.9994  -0.670
I guess the ffcharmm-c.tdb file has not been changed correctly.Has 
anyone done it?

I will be grateful if someone can help me in this.



This was a strange error; I remember coming across it as well.  No modification 
that I could make to that line alleviated the problem, and I still don't know 
why.  What I ended up doing was changing the [ COO- ] section to the following:


[ COO- ]
[ replace ]
C   CC 12.0110   0.340
[ add ]
2   8   O   C  CA  N
OC   15.999  -0.670
[ delete ]
O
[ impropers ]
C   CA  O2  O1  improper_OB_X_X_CD_

Therefore, instead of replacing O by OC, the O is deleted, and an OC added back 
in its place.  I don't know why that works, and the replace function doesn't, 
so maybe someone else has a better idea, but this is how I got around it.


-Justin


Thanks in advance
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Re: [gmx-users] Is it correct

2008-07-23 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



shahrbanoo karbalaee wrote:

Dear justin
In my work MD peptide(with 13 aa) I use this md.mdp.would ypu please
say me Is that correct.


The definition of correct is up to you.  I'll give you a few pointers 
(embedded below), but the leg-work of determining the validity of the parameters 
is your homework, not mine (or anyone else's!)




title   =  cpeptide MD
cpp =  /lib/cpp
constraints =  all-bonds
integrator  =  md
dt  =  0.002; ps !
nsteps  =  5000 ; total 5 ps.
nstcomm =  1
nstxout =  50
nstvout =  0


Are you sure you don't want to save velocities every now and again?  If your run 
crashes because of a hardware problem, you may want to be able to restart it...


What about using nstxtcout?  The output file will be greatly compressed relative 
 to the .trr.  It will save a lot of disk space when running analysis.



nstfout =  0
nstlist =  10
ns_type =  grid
rlist   =  1.0
rcoulomb=  1.0
rvdw=  1.0


All of the parameters from nstlist to rvdw have values that are generally 
determined by the force field and its derivation scheme.  Check the literature.



; Berendsen temperature coupling is on in two groups
Tcoupl  =  berendsen
tau_t   =  0.1  0.1
tc-grps =  protein  sol
ref_t   =  300  300


As long as you have no ions this is fine.


; Pressure coupling is not on
Pcoupl  =  no
tau_p   =  0.5
compressibility =  4.5e-5
ref_p   =  1.0


As long as you are expecting an NVT ensemble, this is also fine.


; Generate velocites is on at 300 K.
gen_vel =  yes
gen_temp=  300.0
gen_seed=  173529



Is this .mdp file for equilibration or production?  You refer to it as the 
md.mdp, but if you're re-generating velocities, I certainly hope this .mdp file 
is for the beginning of equilibration.  If you re-generate velocities 
repeatedly, then you don't get a continuous trajectory.


-Justin


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[gmx-users] Re: Question about Berendsen thermostat and Nose-Hoover temp coupling ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

2008-07-23 Thread Michael Shirts
 Have you seen any information to suggest that this is actually a
 non-trivial concern? That is, given static point charges, an empirical
 LJ force, short cutoffs, etc., do you believe that the application of
 nose-hoover, berendsen, or even the arbitrary velocity rescaling
 significantly degrades the quality of the obtained dynamics?

1) I think there's an important distinction to be made here between
accuracy and physical validity.   If you use a thermostat, then the
dynamic properties you obtain for the system will be different than
the properties obtained without the thermostat, independent of what
model you choose.  So, I don't know that it's that useful to ask
whether the differences from the true system due to thermostat are
large compared to the differences due to the choice of model -- the
results are going to be dependent on the thermostat, so the field has
chosen a standard definition of the dynamics, one that most resembles
the actual physical system (where there isn't temperature rescaling
every 2 fs or a piston coupled to a 10 nm cube of water, etc).

2) If one uses the Berendsen thermostat, then statistical mechanics of
canonical ensembles will not strictly apply, and one can't use many of
the results one would like to (or, are using already incorrectly).
One can do physics-based simulation of molecular models, or one can do
non-physics-based simulations of molecular models.  In many cases, the
non-physics-based results will be statistically indistinguishable from
the physics based results.  But why bother with an uncontrolled
approximation when you don't -have- to use one?   It just adds another
chance that what one simulates is not reproducible or reliable, and
heaven knows that simulation currently has enough of those already.

It's like building a tower out of blocks, and each uncontrolled
approximation, no matter how small, is a bit of unevenness in the
block.  If you have just one wobbly block, you can stand on it pretty
well -- you know the limits of the approximation, you can get a pretty
good sense of what's going on with the system.  Once there's a large
number of wobbly blocks, though -- good luck standing on top of it and
trying to build good science.  As simulations get larger and more
complicated, they are built out of more and more blocks, and we need
to make sure we're paying careful attention to how well they all fit
together.

Best,
Michael Shirts
Research Fellow
Columbia University
Department of Chemistry
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[gmx-users] Re: Question about Berendsen thermostat and Nose-Hoover temp coupling ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

2008-07-23 Thread Michael Shirts
Note that a recently a velocity rescaling algorithm was developed in
the Parrinello group that does give the correct canonical ensemble.
See: http://arxiv.org/abs/0803.4060.  It might be nice to replace
Berendsen with this algorithm, which should have the nice properties
of Berendsen (converges to the constraint temperature quickly) without
the serious drawbacks.

Cheers,
Michael

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Michael Shirts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Have you seen any information to suggest that this is actually a
 non-trivial concern? That is, given static point charges, an empirical
 LJ force, short cutoffs, etc., do you believe that the application of
 nose-hoover, berendsen, or even the arbitrary velocity rescaling
 significantly degrades the quality of the obtained dynamics?

 1) I think there's an important distinction to be made here between
 accuracy and physical validity.   If you use a thermostat, then the
 dynamic properties you obtain for the system will be different than
 the properties obtained without the thermostat, independent of what
 model you choose.  So, I don't know that it's that useful to ask
 whether the differences from the true system due to thermostat are
 large compared to the differences due to the choice of model -- the
 results are going to be dependent on the thermostat, so the field has
 chosen a standard definition of the dynamics, one that most resembles
 the actual physical system (where there isn't temperature rescaling
 every 2 fs or a piston coupled to a 10 nm cube of water, etc).

 2) If one uses the Berendsen thermostat, then statistical mechanics of
 canonical ensembles will not strictly apply, and one can't use many of
 the results one would like to (or, are using already incorrectly).
 One can do physics-based simulation of molecular models, or one can do
 non-physics-based simulations of molecular models.  In many cases, the
 non-physics-based results will be statistically indistinguishable from
 the physics based results.  But why bother with an uncontrolled
 approximation when you don't -have- to use one?   It just adds another
 chance that what one simulates is not reproducible or reliable, and
 heaven knows that simulation currently has enough of those already.

 It's like building a tower out of blocks, and each uncontrolled
 approximation, no matter how small, is a bit of unevenness in the
 block.  If you have just one wobbly block, you can stand on it pretty
 well -- you know the limits of the approximation, you can get a pretty
 good sense of what's going on with the system.  Once there's a large
 number of wobbly blocks, though -- good luck standing on top of it and
 trying to build good science.  As simulations get larger and more
 complicated, they are built out of more and more blocks, and we need
 to make sure we're paying careful attention to how well they all fit
 together.

 Best,
 Michael Shirts
 Research Fellow
 Columbia University
 Department of Chemistry

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Re: [gmx-users] How to build boxes with constant number of solvent molecules?

2008-07-23 Thread David van der Spoel

Peyman Yamin wrote:

Hello dears,

I want to solvate different conformations of a molecule in a water box and I 
want to have the same number of solvent molecules in my box at the end. 
I do it with genbox but end up with different number of solvent molecules. A 
random insertion of more molecules results in a box which would not be easily 
equilibrated.
I also tried to solvate in a larger box and then delete some molecules from 
the end of file so that I have a certain number of molecules for all of them, 
but it also results in a strange looking environments in the box which mostly 
lead to an equilibration crash.


Does one know any practical strategy to solvate a molecule in a box and have 
the number of solvent molecules fixed??


I appreciate any suggestions,
regards,
Peyman



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[gmx-users] (no subject)

2008-07-23 Thread ANINDITA GAYEN


dear all,

 can anyone tell me how to install antechamber program on linux platform?



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Re: [gmx-users] (no subject)

2008-07-23 Thread David van der Spoel

ANINDITA GAYEN wrote:


dear all,

 can anyone tell me how to install antechamber program on linux platform?



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Re: [gmx-users] Question about Berendsen thermostat and Nose-Hoover temp coupling

2008-07-23 Thread David Osguthorpe
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:16:21PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks David for sharing your knowledge, especially the note that for  
 further information one can refer to the literature that was written  
 around the time that these thermostats were released. I have a  
 question though:

I was just trying to correct the impression from the posts that the issue with
Berendsen is some urban legend - it is not and there is extensive
literature on it - even if its not googleable

 
 by the way it is also true that if you use a thermostat or barostat  
 then although long time averages are equivalent to averages in the  
 NVT or NPT ensemble strictly the dynamics is no longer valid as
 a Newtonian trajectory so you should not derive dynamic properties  
 from such trajectories.
 
 Have you seen any information to suggest that this is actually a  
 non-trivial concern? That is, given static point charges, an empirical  
 LJ force, short cutoffs, etc., do you believe that the application of  
 nose-hoover, berendsen, or even the arbitrary velocity rescaling  
 significantly degrades the quality of the obtained dynamics?
 

I think the response by Michael says it as well as I could - this was a
point made by some of these papers - so just because the averages are
valid does not mean the dynamics is valid - you are right in that it
may not be something that has an observable effect with current simulations
but it is some form of artifact that may bias the simulations consistently
whereas eg. with force fields you can have lots of cancellation of errors

David
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[gmx-users] OPLS parameters for phosphotyrosine?

2008-07-23 Thread maria goranovic
Dear All,

Has anyone a topology for phosphorylated tyrosine residue in OPLS that can
be shared?

Sincerely,

-Maria

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[gmx-users] Re: gmx-users Digest, Vol 51, Issue 85

2008-07-23 Thread shahrbanoo karbalaee

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[gmx-users] Re: gmx-users Digest, Vol 51, Issue 85

2008-07-23 Thread shahrbanoo karbalaee
Dear justin

thank you for your help and answer.
about NVT or NPT,what is generally use for peptide?are there  more
different  between   them if iI can use NPT   in our
output(flexiblity)?
AND  about this file :
it is md after equilbration.

thanks again
best regard
karbalaee


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 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:14:50 +0430
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 Dear justin
 In my work MD peptide(with 13 aa) I use this md.mdp.would ypu please
 say me Is that correct.

 title   =  cpeptide MD
 cpp =  /lib/cpp
 constraints =  all-bonds
 integrator  =  md
 dt  =  0.002; ps !
 nsteps  =  5000 ; total 5 ps.
 nstcomm =  1
 nstxout =  50
 nstvout =  0
 nstfout =  0
 nstlist =  10
 ns_type =  grid
 rlist   =  1.0
 rcoulomb=  1.0
 rvdw=  1.0
 ; Berendsen temperature coupling is on in two groups
 Tcoupl  =  berendsen
 tau_t   =  0.1  0.1
 tc-grps =  protein  sol
 ref_t   =  300  300
 ; Pressure coupling is not on
 Pcoupl  =  no
 tau_p   =  0.5
 compressibility =  4.5e-5
 ref_p   =  1.0
 ; Generate velocites is on at 300 K.
 gen_vel =  yes
 gen_temp=  300.0
 gen_seed=  173529

 --
 2)In the place program doesent have phrase for example PME,does.
 the gromacs use default?
 3)when I use berendsen coupling is on and pcoup =yes and In my work is
  effect in fluctuate?

 best
 sh-karbalaee


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 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:54:57 + (GMT)
 From: Claus Valka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re : [gmx-users] switch potential function gromacs 3.3.2
 To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
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 Dear Sir or Madam,

 For the version 3.3.2 the gromacs switch potential function is the following :

  Elja1  = (4.d0*eps1*sig1**6) *
-(1.d0/r(i)**6) *
 (1.d0 - 10.d0 * (r(i)-r1)**3 * 1.d0/(rc1-r1)**3 
 + 15.d0 * (r(i)-r1)**4 * 1.d0/(rc1-r1)**4 
   -  6.d0 * (r(i)-r1)**5 * 1.d0/(rc1-r1)**5)
  Elja2  = (4.d0*eps1*sig1**12) *   
 (1.d0/r(i)**12)  *   
 (1.d0 - 10.d0 * (r(i)-r1)**3 * 1.d0/(rc1-r1)**3  
 + 15.d0 * (r(i)-r1)**4 * 1.d0/(rc1-r1)**4  
   -  6.d0 * (r(i)-r1)**5 * 1.d0/(rc1-r1)**5)

 Switch = Elja1 + Elja2

 Remarks:
 i)   This is tested only when in the mdp file the vdw-type = Switch
 ii)  The Elja1 is the dispersion part of the potential (not the force).
 iii) The Elja2 it the repulsion part of the potential (not the force).
 iv)  eps is the value of epsilon and sig is the value of sigma
 v)   r1 =  rvdw-switch and rc1 = rvdw
 vii) The function of the manual that sais that it applies Phi(r) both on 
 switch and shift option doesn't seem to apply in the switch case.
 vii) Someone can find out if someone searches at : 
 a)/root/Desktop/software/gromacs/gromacs-3.3.2/src/mdlib/
 b)The file is called tables.c
 c)look under if (bSwitch), where it sais swi
 d)for pow look at the beginning
 e)for Vtab under the cases etabLJ6 and etabLJ12
 f)for whole under if ((r_r1)  bSwitch) , that is the multiplication of the 
 dispersion and repulsion part with swi
 g)in order to have units of energy someone must to multiply the above with 
 4*epsilon*sigma**6 for the dispersion part and 4*epsilon*sigma**12 for the 
 repulsion part

 Yours Sincerely,
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 sarbani chattopadhyay wrote:
 
  Hi,
I am trying to run gromacs with charmm forcefield.
  # I had run the perl program convert_charmm_to_gromacs.pl and put the
  output files
  ffcharmmbon.itp and ffcharmmnb.itp into the gromacs

Re: [gmx-users] Question about Berendsen thermostat and Nose-Hoover temp coupling

2008-07-23 Thread David van der Spoel

David Osguthorpe wrote:

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:16:21PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks David for sharing your knowledge, especially the note that for  
further information one can refer to the literature that was written  
around the time that these thermostats were released. I have a  
question though:


I was just trying to correct the impression from the posts that the issue with
Berendsen is some urban legend - it is not and there is extensive
literature on it - even if its not googleable

by the way it is also true that if you use a thermostat or barostat  
then although long time averages are equivalent to averages in the  
NVT or NPT ensemble strictly the dynamics is no longer valid as
a Newtonian trajectory so you should not derive dynamic properties  

from such trajectories.

Have you seen any information to suggest that this is actually a  
non-trivial concern? That is, given static point charges, an empirical  
LJ force, short cutoffs, etc., do you believe that the application of  
nose-hoover, berendsen, or even the arbitrary velocity rescaling  
significantly degrades the quality of the obtained dynamics?




I think the response by Michael says it as well as I could - this was a
point made by some of these papers - so just because the averages are
valid does not mean the dynamics is valid - you are right in that it
may not be something that has an observable effect with current simulations
but it is some form of artifact that may bias the simulations consistently
whereas eg. with force fields you can have lots of cancellation of errors

Cancellation of errors is not an excuse for poor force fields. In 
addition, built-in cut-offs for some force fields also give systematic 
bias, but this is beside the point.


Although it is indeed well-known that Berendsen thermostat (and 
Barostat!) create significant artifacts, these are not as bad as they 
used to be, in particular due to the use of PME. Temperature coupling 
hardly does anything at all when using PME, which you can verify by 
plotting the temperature scaling factor as a function of time.


So we are all waiting for a healthy volunteer to implement the latest 
and greatest algorithms in the latest and greatest gromacs development code.


Cheers,
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Molec. Biophys. group, Dept. of Cell  Molec. Biol., Uppsala University.

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[gmx-users] Membrane: anisotropic pressure coupling

2008-07-23 Thread Rebeca García Fandiño

Hello,
I am new in Gromacs, and I am trying to simulate the interaction between a DOPC 
membrane and a protein.
I have equilibrated my system at constant volume and now I would like to switch 
to constant pressure.
I think the best option for me is to use ANISOTROPIC pressure, because I want 
to study the ondulations produced in the membrane due to the protein. Do you 
recommend anisotropic pressure for this? or semiisotropic would be enough?
Another question is about the values of tau_p and ref_p. I have read in the 
manual that in the case of anisotropic pressure I should use 6 values. Which 
values do you recommend to use? Should I use also 6 values for compressibility 
and ref_p? Pcoupl  = BerendsenPcoupltype  = anisotropictau_p   =  2.0 
2.0  2.0  2.0  2.0  2.0compressibility  =  4.5e-5 4.5e-5 4.5e-5  4.5e-5 
4.5e-54.5e-5ref_p   =  1.0  1.0  1.0  1.0  1.0  1.0 Thank you very much 
for your help in advance. Best wishes, Rebeca García FandiñoParc Cientific de 
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RE:[gmx-users] cannot print velocity information to trr/xtc files (Carbon Nanotube inside water)

2008-07-23 Thread Andy Shelley
I am to accelerate water while freezing another group and would like to know
velocity information as has been posted before and was wondering if a
solution to the problem has been found.

Andy

Nadir Kaplan wrote:
 What is going on here? How can I get velocity info? Any help will be
 greatly appreciated. Note that, there is an external acceleration on
 the water molecules, where is the position of CNT is fixed. So
 obviously water molecules should have finite velocities.

 Turn off the weird stuff (freeze groups and accelerate groups) until
 you've got your basic issues sorted out. MD simulations in general and
 CNT simulations in particular are not easy things to do right. Learn
 to walk before you try to run! :-)



 Freezing is for simplicity. One needs velocity to run.

Yeah, but freezing and accelerating do things to velocities. If you're
having problems, a good strategy is to simplify the situation until you
can identify where the problem arises... thus, no freezing and accelerating.

 Below I paste another mdp file which I used for the MD part of the same
 simulation. That MD simulation was succesfully over and I was able to
 reproduce some results in the literature by using position info. Again,
 in the .trr file of that simulation, there are no velocities.

Well, those reproduced results probably mean that there *were*
velocities :-) Velocities must be there in the .trr for the last
timestep, so long as mdrun was allowed to terminate normally.

If you really had nstvout = 5000 and you are looking at the correct
non-post-processed trajectory with gmxdump on a suitable timestep, then
your observations are inexplicable, unless there's some weird gotcha
with no velocities being written for atoms in either a freeze or
accelerate group... not that that makes much sense... In short, it seems
much more likely you've made an error than that there's a weird bug.

My earlier advice is still good - get a clean working directory and do
the same kind of simulation but without the freeze and accelerate groups
and see if you can reproduce your problem while recording everything you
did on the way. If it now works, do the same but add in the weird stuff
until you isolate the problem - if any.

Good luck!

Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] Question about Berendsen thermostat and Nose-Hoover temp coupling

2008-07-23 Thread Michel Cuendet

Hi all,

One of the conceptual difference between Berendsen and Nose-Hoover (NH), 
is the following. NH is basically a second order relaxation to the 
target temperature, which implies an oscillatory behavior. Berendsen is 
a first order relaxation (exponential type of behavior). This is 
preferable when the initial temperature is far from the target 
temperature, in which case NH is likely to produce large oscillations 
and, in general, take longer to equilibrate. Hence the practice to use 
Berendsen for the first part of the equilibration, and NH for production.


There are still papers published on the subject in the alive 
literature. For example there is an analysis of the Berendsen dynamics in


Morishita, JCP 113 (8) : 2976 (2000)

In short, he finds approximate expressions for the configurational part 
of the state distribution function. It essentially varies between 
canonical for exceedingly small time constants (of the order of the 
timestep) to microcanonical for very large time constants. The 
distribution of momenta remains unknown.


In addition to the average temperature, the temperature fluctuations 
expected for the NVT ensemble must be reproduced in the simulation. 
Nose-Hoover was shown to do this correctly. This could be important when 
studying the stability of a conformation for example.


Now concerning Chris' question:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have you seen any information to suggest that this is actually a 
non-trivial concern? That is, given static point charges, an 
empirical LJ force, short cutoffs, etc., do you believe that the 
application of nose-hoover, berendsen, or even the arbitrary velocity 
rescaling significantly degrades the quality of the obtained dynamics?
There are two aspects here: (a) point charges and LJ force, which 
constitute the physical model, and (b) the cutoffs and such, which are 
simulation artefacts and disrupt the physics of the model (by allowing 
creation of energy, etc...). My opinion is that, given a physical model 
(even approximate), one should simulate the dynamics as accurately as 
possible, in order to produce the thermodynamical ensemble corresponding 
to the underlying physical model. Before plugging in the thermostat, one 
should check that the simulation conserves energy not too bad(using 
PME or switch functions, etc...). Now if there is still an energy drift, 
the thermostat will absorb the excess energy, and the system will end up 
in a non-equilibrium steady state, with a heat well (cutoffs, etc) and a 
heat sink (thermostat). The good side is that the NH thermostat was 
shown (by Hoover himself) to produce a stationary canonical distribution 
even in a non-equilibrium case.


Sorry for the long email :)

Michel

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Re: [gmx-users] Re: gmx-users Digest, Vol 51, Issue 85

2008-07-23 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



shahrbanoo karbalaee wrote:

Dear justin

thank you for your help and answer.
about NVT or NPT,what is generally use for peptide?are there  more
different  between   them if iI can use NPT   in our
output(flexiblity)?


There is no substitute for a thorough examination of the literature.


AND  about this file :
it is md after equilbration.


Then gen_vel = yes just negated your equilibration.  Whether or not that will 
cause any problems will become obvious if your simulation crashes.


-Justin



thanks again
best regard
karbalaee



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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:14:50 +0430
From: shahrbanoo karbalaee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [gmx-users] Is it correct
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
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Dear justin
In my work MD peptide(with 13 aa) I use this md.mdp.would ypu please
say me Is that correct.

title   =  cpeptide MD
cpp =  /lib/cpp
constraints =  all-bonds
integrator  =  md
dt  =  0.002; ps !
nsteps  =  5000 ; total 5 ps.
nstcomm =  1
nstxout =  50
nstvout =  0
nstfout =  0
nstlist =  10
ns_type =  grid
rlist   =  1.0
rcoulomb=  1.0
rvdw=  1.0
; Berendsen temperature coupling is on in two groups
Tcoupl  =  berendsen
tau_t   =  0.1  0.1
tc-grps =  protein  sol
ref_t   =  300  300
; Pressure coupling is not on
Pcoupl  =  no
tau_p   =  0.5
compressibility =  4.5e-5
ref_p   =  1.0
; Generate velocites is on at 300 K.
gen_vel =  yes
gen_temp=  300.0
gen_seed=  173529

--
2)In the place program doesent have phrase for example PME,does.
the gromacs use default?
3)when I use berendsen coupling is on and pcoup =yes and In my work is
 effect in fluctuate?

best
sh-karbalaee


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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:54:57 + (GMT)
From: Claus Valka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re : [gmx-users] switch potential function gromacs 3.3.2
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Dear Sir or Madam,

For the version 3.3.2 the gromacs switch potential function is the following :

 Elja1  = (4.d0*eps1*sig1**6) *
   -(1.d0/r(i)**6) *
(1.d0 - 10.d0 * (r(i)-r1)**3 * 1.d0/(rc1-r1)**3 
+ 15.d0 * (r(i)-r1)**4 * 1.d0/(rc1-r1)**4 
  -  6.d0 * (r(i)-r1)**5 * 1.d0/(rc1-r1)**5)
 Elja2  = (4.d0*eps1*sig1**12) *   
(1.d0/r(i)**12)  *   
(1.d0 - 10.d0 * (r(i)-r1)**3 * 1.d0/(rc1-r1)**3  
+ 15.d0 * (r(i)-r1)**4 * 1.d0/(rc1-r1)**4  
  -  6.d0 * (r(i)-r1)**5 * 1.d0/(rc1-r1)**5)

Switch = Elja1 + Elja2

Remarks:
i)   This is tested only when in the mdp file the vdw-type = Switch
ii)  The Elja1 is the dispersion part of the potential (not the force).
iii) The Elja2 it the repulsion part of the potential (not the force).
iv)  eps is the value of epsilon and sig is the value of sigma
v)   r1 =  rvdw-switch and rc1 = rvdw
vii) The function of the manual that sais that it applies Phi(r) both on switch 
and shift option doesn't seem to apply in the switch case.
vii) Someone can find out if someone searches at : 
a)/root/Desktop/software/gromacs/gromacs-3.3.2/src/mdlib/
b)The file is called tables.c
c)look under if (bSwitch), where it sais swi
d)for pow look at the beginning
e)for Vtab under the cases etabLJ6 and etabLJ12
f)for whole under if ((r_r1)  bSwitch) , that is the multiplication of the 
dispersion and repulsion part with swi
g)in order to have units of energy someone must to multiply the above with 
4*epsilon*sigma**6 for the dispersion part and 4*epsilon*sigma**12 for the 
repulsion part

Yours Sincerely,
Nikos



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Subject: Re: [gmx-users] new version of C terminus database for charmm
To: sarbani chattopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED], Discussion
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sarbani chattopadhyay wrote:

Hi,
  I am trying to run gromacs with charmm

Re: [gmx-users] Membrane: anisotropic pressure coupling

2008-07-23 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Rebeca García Fandiño wrote:

Hello,

I am new in Gromacs, and I am trying to simulate the interaction between 
a DOPC membrane and a protein.


I have equilibrated my system at constant volume and now I would like to 
switch to constant pressure.


I think the best option for me is to use ANISOTROPIC pressure, because I 
want to study the ondulations produced in the membrane due to the 
protein. Do you recommend anisotropic pressure for this? or 
semiisotropic would be enough?


A good discussion of such topics can be found in: Kandt, et al. (2007) Methods 
41: 475-488.




Another question is about the values of tau_p and ref_p. I have read in 
the manual that in the case of anisotropic pressure I should use 6 
values. Which values do you recommend to use? Should I use also 6 values 
for compressibility and ref_p?


 


Pcoupl  = Berendsen

Pcoupltype  = anisotropic

tau_p   =  2.0 2.0  2.0  2.0  2.0  2.0



Only one value of tau_p is necessary.


compressibility  =  4.5e-5 4.5e-5 4.5e-5  4.5e-5 4.5e-54.5e-5



Setting the off-diagonal compressibilities as such may lead to deformations of 
the box.  From the manual:


When the off-diagonal compressibilities are set to zero, a rectangular box will 
stay rectangular. Beware that anisotropic scaling can lead to extreme 
deformation of the simulation box.



ref_p   =  1.0  1.0  1.0  1.0  1.0  1.0


Similarly, you are specifying a pressure in the diagonal directions (the last 
three values).


-Justin



 


Thank you very much for your help in advance.

 


Best wishes,

 


Rebeca García Fandiño

Parc Cientific de Barcelona

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Re: [gmx-users] topologies from autodock

2008-07-23 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



KAUSHIK H.S. wrote:
hi, 

I have got a docked complex (ligand and protein) in pdb format from 
autodock.  I am unable to generate topoloy file for the docked complex, 
(but, I can do the same for protein and ligand separately).  

Can any of you please guide me in generating topoloy file for the docked 
complex.  Let me be more candid, I am novice in this field.


Generally, if this is the case, the answer can be found in one of the following 
sources:


1. The list archive
2. The wiki site
3. Google

In your case, you can quickly use Option #3 to locate John Kerrigan's 
enzyme-ligand tutorial.


-Justin



regards,

Kaushik 




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[gmx-users] -pbc cluster with -center in trjconv 3.3.1

2008-07-23 Thread chris . neale

Hello,

I have a DPC micelle in a rhombic dodecahedron. I want to use the pull  
code relative to the center of mass of the micelle and therefore I  
need to keep all detergent monomers in the same periodic image  
(otherwise I suspect that the COM will be calculated incorrectly).


My problem is that I can not seem to get all of the detergent monomers  
into the center of a triclinic unit cell. It doesn't even need to be  
the center, just far enough from an edge that all detergents will be  
interpreted as being in the main unit cell by grompp or perhaps by  
mdrun in the very first timestep. Once I have this representation, I  
can use one pull restraint in absolute coordinates to keep the micelle  
in the unit cell and another pull restraint to do something more  
interesting.


I have been unable to get the representation that I am looking for in  
gromacs-3.3.1. I realize that gromacs-3.3.3 has an enhanced trjconv  
suite, but the -pbc cluster option in 3.3.3 and 3.3.2 sends me into an  
infinite loop and without the cluster option the -center option does  
not maintain the micelle (i.e. detergent monomers are distributed to  
the corners of the unit cell.)


I acknowledge the infinite reality of PBC, but I'll emphasize that my  
concern here is proper COM treatment. From looking at the source code  
it appears that the pull code is smart enough to look back to the  
initial frame and put things in the original box, but still I need to  
generate the correct starting frame.


To be clear about the infinite loop that I get for 3.3.2 and 3.3.3,  
here is some output:


$ ../../../../exe/gromacs-3.3.3_newccb/exec/bin/trjconv -f 100ns.gro  
-o 100ns_trjconv.gro -pbc cluster -s tpr/empty.tpr

Will write gro: Coordinate file in Gromos-87 format
Reading file tpr/empty.tpr, VERSION 3.3.1 (single precision)
Reading file tpr/empty.tpr, VERSION 3.3.1 (single precision)
Select group for clustering
Opening library file /home/cneale/gromacs/oplspope.top/aminoacids.dat
Group 0 (  System) has 29870 elements
Group 1 ( DPC) has  1150 elements
Group 2 ( SOL) has 28720 elements
Select a group: 1
Selected 1: 'DPC'
Select group for output
Opening library file /home/cneale/gromacs/oplspope.top/aminoacids.dat
Group 0 (  System) has 29870 elements
Group 1 ( DPC) has  1150 elements
Group 2 ( SOL) has 28720 elements
Select a group: 0
Selected 0: 'System'
COM:0.144 0.000 0.000  iter = 1  Isq = 353349.094
COM:3.672 3.528 4.600  iter = 2  Isq =  521.888
COM:0.144 0.000 0.000  iter = 3  Isq = 353349.094
COM:3.672 3.528 4.600  iter = 4  Isq =  521.888
COM:0.144 0.000 0.000  iter = 5  Isq = 353349.094
COM:3.672 3.528 4.600  iter = 6  Isq =  521.888
COM:0.144 0.000 0.000  iter = 7  Isq = 353349.094
COM:3.672 3.528 4.600  iter = 8  Isq =  521.888
COM:0.144 0.000 0.000  iter = 9  Isq = 353349.094
COM:3.672 3.528 4.600  iter = 10  Isq =  521.888
COM:0.144 0.000 0.000  iter = 11  Isq = 353349.094
COM:3.672 3.528 4.600  iter = 12  Isq =  521.888
COM:0.144 0.000 0.000  iter = 13  Isq = 353349.094
COM:3.672 3.528 4.600  iter = 14  Isq =  521.888
COM:0.144 0.000 0.000  iter = 15  Isq = 353349.094
COM:3.672 3.528 4.600  iter = 16  Isq =  521.888
COM:0.144 0.000 0.000  iter = 17  Isq = 353349.094
COM:3.672 3.528 4.600  iter = 18  Isq =  521.888
COM:0.144 0.000 0.000  iter = 19  Isq = 353349.094
.


Thanks if anybody has some good ideas about how I might proceed.

Chris.

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