[gmx-users] RE: Gromacs 4.0 beta1

2008-09-21 Thread Vitaly Chaban
 What is the link to download binaries and source code for Gromacs 4.0 beta1?

Type in google gromacs CVS


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[gmx-users] RE: DMSO-protein simulation

2008-09-21 Thread Vitaly Chaban
  how to calculate c6  c12 coloumn for DMSO
 thanx in advance

Search for C6 and C12 for DMSO or for sigma and epsilon in the
literature.


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[gmx-users] PME 3dc geometry and the optimal PME mesh load

2008-09-21 Thread Bert
Hi all,

I use 3dc geometry for a system with large box size in z direction, and when
I try the new CVS version, I find a note saying The optimal PME mesh load
is usually between 025 and 0.33, you should probably increase the cut-off
and the PME grid spacing. A quite large estimation 0.86 was reported in
grompp, and I wonder if I can do sth to speed up the simulation. Thanks for
your suggestions in advance.
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[gmx-users] Re: gmx-users Digest, Vol 53, Issue 90

2008-09-21 Thread Li Yang
Hi Ran

Thank you for your reply. I'm sorry that I miss the message.

(1) 6 eigenvalues represent rotation and translation. For (very) small
molecules, these can be quite substantial, see Carlsson and Aqvist, /J.
Phys. Chem. B,/ *109* (13), 6448 -6456, 2005. By fitting you remove the
rotation and translation. You can search the literature for papers that
discuss the QH approximation as well. The motions are not really
harmonic - this is why it's an approximation.

I've received very similar results to Carlsson and Aqvist for benzene
and palmatic acid with GMX.

(2) The values you get depend on the sampling and the conversion of the
simulations. To improve sampling, you have to store the coordinates
frequently enough (so you get more samples). In addition, the simulation
should be long enough to give you meaningful results - and both depend
on the system which you study. Checking for convergence can be done by
repeating the calculations on different time windows, as you suggested.
Sorry, I don't quite catch your mind. How to get the convergence variation of 
the entropy? Whether or not the time split method is right? eg, time points: 
0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.  and time stage:0-1, 0-2, 0-3, 0-4, 0-5, right?  why not 0-1, 
1-2, 2-3, 3-4, 4-5. In the maillist of gmx, the latter is not wrong because of 
undersampling, I don't know this meaning. Could you please offer me some 
suggestions or refs?

The method of covariance matrix  QH can estimate the up-limit of entropy, how 
to know the error band ?

Thank you very much.

 (3) In entropy calculations, a system need to run a long time for entropy 
 convergence, the time seems to be longer than the one which needed for 
 energy convergence. While, for equilibrium thermodynamics simulations, how 
 to justify whether or not the system has achieving a equilibrium stage, 
 based on energy convergence or entropy confvergence?

 (4) For the example mentioned in the paper Ioan 
 Andricioaei_JChemPhys2001_115_6289. I use your perl script for entropy 
 calculation. But I don't reproduce the result. The needed time of entropy 
 convergence is longer than the time mentioned in the paper, and so larger of 
 my entropy. 
 I don't know why, perphas the simulation conditions is not right. My 
 simulation files are included in the attachment. Could you give some 
 suggestions? 
 BTW, in line 77 of your script: $w=$ev*$u*10**(-18), Does 10^-18 mean 
 nm^-2?
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Re: Re: [gmx-users] Re: Leaflet of Bilayer

2008-09-21 Thread minnale
  
Thanks for the response
Just diverting this topic to about specific number of popc molecules.

I created the bilayer by using genconf command 
genconf -f popc128a.pdb -o out.gro -dist 0 0 0 -nbox 2 1 1 (as I posted   in my 
previous mail) generated output file contain 128 popc in each leaflet of 
bilayer. 

If you see original popc box dimensions 6.1x6.2x6.9 (means in all dimensions 
popc number almost same)but with genconf command above mentioned options 
created box values 12x6.1x6.9. I dont want that many popc molecules because in 
X-dimension too many popc molecules are present.   

1.is there anyway to reduce those popc molecules from 128 to 80/90 popc 
molecules? or 
2.I wanted to create popc molecules 80 or 90 in eachleaflet is it possible to 
generate?

These are may be trivial queries
Could you give suggest me please
Thanks in advance.


Thanks Justin and Nicolas for gave suggestions.
I have tried with Nicolas suggested command in VMD Tkconsole, its showing 
whole popc molecules but not leaflet. I typed the command in Tkconsole like 
this

[atomselect top name P8 and z0] num
it has showed 201, means the total number popc molecues in the .gro file.
Could you tell any suggestion

It's probably because your system is not center on 0.0. By default, Gromacs 
center boxes on lenght/2
It's probably because your system is not centered on 0.0. By default, Gromacs 
centers boxes on lenght/2
.. Sorry for the grammar, I'm not well awake this morning.


Thanks in advance.
e
  
   Hi Jochen thanks for your reply
   I have gone through this recent mail
   http://www.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2008-September/036508.html
   more over if I use genconf command like this
   genconf -f .gro -o out -nbox 2 1 1 -dist 0 0 0 its adding 128 in
   eachleaflet I dont wany that many popc molecules.
  
   1.Is it wrong if I increase the popc molecules by using genbox?
  
   It is best to use genconf, because then the periodic images of the
   unit cell remain intact, that is, since you're using a
   pre-equilibrated bilayer, it's better to not snip chunks out of it.
   You can deal with that by sufficient equilibration, however.
  
   It is also easier to use genconf, because you then know exactly how
   many lipids you are dealing with (in regards to your previous
   message).  You could probably write some script to tell you which
   lipid is in a given leaflet based on whether a certain atom (i.e., P8
   or something else) is above or below the center of the bilayer.
 In case you use VMD, you can get the number of phospholipid per leaflet
 with the following command:
 
 [atomselect top name P8 and z0] num
 
 This will give you the number of PC in the upper leaflet, assuming 1)
 the phosphorus atom is named P8 and 2) the bilayer is center on 0.0
 along the z axis.
 
 Nicolas


 
  
   2.Is there anyway to increase popc and water numbers by mentioning
   specific molecules number?
  
   Not that I'm aware of.  There is a -maxsol option in genbox, but that
   is for capping the amount of water molecules added to a box.
  
   -Justin
  
   Could you suggest me
   Thanks in advance.
  
   On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 Jochen Hub wrote :
minnale wrote:
 
  Hi all,
 I have extended popc bilayer(intial popc.pdb from Dr.Tielmen
   site) by using genbox command, I issued
  genbox -cs popc128a.gro -o out.gro -box 9.2 9.2 6.9 it ran
   successfully with increase of popc and water molecules.
   Now I want to visualise this out file in VMD in a way that in
   eachleaflet how many popc molecules and water residues are there, May
   be this is trivial query.
  Could you give me suggestion.

If you want to enlarge a membrane patch, use genconf. Not genbox!

jochen



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[gmx-users] How to implement v-rescale thermostat in gromacs-3.3.3

2008-09-21 Thread Bo Zhou
Hi gmx-users,

 

When I came across the 4.0 beta version, I found there was a new thermostat
named v-rescale available here. I wonder if it would be easy to incorporate
it in the version 3.3.3 as a patch. Note that the 4.0 version is still under
development, I prefer to use a revised 3.3.3 version to make a production
run. Thanks very much for your help.

 

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[gmx-users] Cann't get the same result ?

2008-09-21 Thread xuji
Hi all:

I run mdrun of gromacs-3.3.3 6 times of a small simulation, 
but I cann't get the same result every time. I run the mdrun 
program using ./mdrun -v -s md1.tpr  -o md1.trr  -c after_md1.gro  -g md1.log  
-e md1.edr  -x md1.xtc  md1.job 
./mdrun -v -s md1.tpr  -o md1.trr  -c after_md1.gro  -g md1.log  -e 
md1.edr  -x md1.xtc  md1.job 
./mdrun -v -s md1.tpr  -o md1.trr  -c after_md1.gro  -g md1.log  -e 
md1.edr  -x md1.xtc  md1.job. 
Three simulations one time. And run two times. The 6 log files are in the 
accessory.
Can someone tell me why cann't I get the same result of the 6 simulations?
Appreciate any help in advance!

Best wishes!

Ji Xu
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2008-09-22
  
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[gmx-users] how many water molecule used to run MD?

2008-09-21 Thread Chih-Ying Lin
Hi
how many water molecules used to run MD?

what is the criteria for this?


I found some water.gro including 216 or 512 water molecules.

Is it enough to include 216 or 512 water molecules only in MD system?


For TIP4P; there are 4 coordinates to determine a water molecule.
For TIP5P; there are 5 coordinates to determine a water molecule.

If I want to include more than 1000 TIP4P or TIP5P water molecules in
my MD system, how could I construct the TIP4P.gro and TIP5P.gro files
?


Thank you
Lin
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[gmx-users] TIP4P and TIP5P

2008-09-21 Thread Chih-Ying Lin
Hi
Could anyone tell me how to construct the solvent box of  TIP4P and TIP5P model?


And, how to construct water_TIP4P.itp and and water_TIP5P.itp ?

Thank you very much
Lin
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[gmx-users] Multiple ppa files from a single parallel mdrun_mpi job

2008-09-21 Thread chris . neale
After taking a closer look at the code, I suspect that the problem can  
be resolved as follows.


The call to:
read_pullparams(pull, opt2fn(-pi,nfile,fnm), opt2fn(-po,nfile,fnm));
in pullinit.c should probably be protected by:
if (MASTER(cr))

I have not tested this as it doesn't really matter to the run, but it  
should probably be fixed for 4.0 as it gives the impression that  
something is wrong (at least it did worry me personally). This may  
have already been fixed in 3.3.2/3.3.3/cvs, I did not check.


Chris.

--- original message ---

Hello,

I am running gromacs in parallel on a new system. I am also using the
pull code. Everything appears to be going fine, except that I get
backup copies of the .ppa files during a single call to mdrun_mpi. My
best guess is that this is some type of mpi problem, but any pointers
would be welcomed.

Thanks,
Chris.

Here is the relevant output from mdrun_mpi

Reading file adw1.0.tpr, VERSION 3.3.1 (single precision)
Reading parameter file this.ppa
Reading parameter file this.ppa
Reading parameter file this.ppa
Reading parameter file this.ppa
Groups: r_1
Reference Group:  r_2
Using 1 pull groups
Using distance components 1 1 0

Back Off! I just backed up adw1.0.ppa to ./#adw1.0.ppa.1#
Sorry couldn't backup adw1.0.ppa to ./#adw1.0.ppa.1#
Sorry couldn't backup adw1.0.ppa to ./#adw1.0.ppa.1#
Groups: r_1
Reference Group:  r_2
Using 1 pull groups
Using distance components 1 1 0
Groups: r_1
Reference Group:  r_2
Using 1 pull groups
Using distance components 1 1 0
Groups: r_1
Reference Group:  r_2
Using 1 pull groups
Using distance components 1 1 0
starting mdrun 'test'
1000 steps,  2.0 ps.



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[gmx-users] Leaflet of Bilayer

2008-09-21 Thread chris . neale
In my opinion, use any technique that you want (genbox included) then  
run the resulting system for =50ns while plotting the area per lipid  
and order parameters over time. When these values stop drifting over  
time then you have an equilibrated bilayer. If you have access to a  
cluster that scales well to 4 cores then this should not take longer  
than a month. With systems that scale well to 10 cores I can  
equilibrate such a system in under two weeks. Of course, the more  
limited your resources are then the more thought that you need to put  
into your setup. Very generally, for beginners with at least moderate  
computational resources, I suggest immediately following your first  
good idea to get the system prepared and then, while it is running,  
starting to think about how it could have been done in a better way.  
With cpu resources as they are now, your initial run is likely to be  
finished faster than anything else if you start it immediately and the  
next time you go about this it will be faster because you will figure  
out the better method.


Bottom line: an equilibrated bilayer is an equilibrated bilayer, and I  
as a reader am not going to have any problem with your final results  
even if I think that you could have obtained an equilibrated bilayer  
with a quicker method.


Important note: Please use a new subject for a new topic. I know that  
topics often diverge, but you started this thread with a vmd-list  
question and now you are on to something that is only related to that  
by the fact that you study membranes.


Chris.

--- original message ---

Thanks for the response
Just diverting this topic to about specific number of popc molecules.

I created the bilayer by using genconf command
genconf -f popc128a.pdb -o out.gro -dist 0 0 0 -nbox 2 1 1 (as I  
posted   in my previous mail) generated output file contain 128 popc  
in each leaflet of bilayer.


If you see original popc box dimensions 6.1x6.2x6.9 (means in all  
dimensions popc number almost same)but with genconf command above  
mentioned options created box values 12x6.1x6.9. I dont want that many  
popc molecules because in X-dimension too many popc molecules are  
present.


1.is there anyway to reduce those popc molecules from 128 to 80/90  
popc molecules? or
2.I wanted to create popc molecules 80 or 90 in eachleaflet is it  
possible to generate?


These are may be trivial queries
Could you give suggest me please
Thanks in advance.

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