[gmx-users] Finding centroid for a bunch of residues

2008-10-05 Thread vivek sharma
Hi there,

This is the question out of gromacs..but I need it urgently.. and I hope
this is the only place where I can get such expert to solve my query...
while trying to restrict my MDRUN for a particular site of the protein
molecule I want to visualize the site and find out the centroid for the
particular site..

Is there any visualization tool that can do the same ..
I mean Is there any molecular visualization tool that can help in finding
out the ...centroid between a group of resuidues ?


With Thanks,
Vivek
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Re: [gmx-users] GMX 4.0 RC2: mdrun writes broken molecules?

2008-10-05 Thread Justin A. Lemkul
Thanks for the insights, Tsjerk.  I figured it was something to do with the new 
algorithm; just wanted to confirm that this was the expected behavior.


Indeed, trjconv is one's friend in such a case :)

-Justin

Tsjerk Wassenaar wrote:

Hi Justin,

It's indeed the case that mdrun now writes broken molecules. Has to do
with the domain decomposition and processors only keeping track of
'their' atoms. Too bad, but you'll just have to keep a .tpr around to
make molecules whole again afterwards. Using trjconv -nojump with a
suitable reference (not necessarily a .tpr) would also do it (and
simultaneously remove the jumps...).

Cheers,

Tsjerk

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

I've been running some simulations with Gromacs 4.0 RC2, and I've noticed
something strange.  In the output .gro file at the end of a run, the
molecules in my system (a membrane protein) are broken, crossing periodic
boundaries. This affects the lipids at the periphery of the box, in my case.

Has there been some change since the previous version that mdrun is now
writing broken molecules to fit everything within the unit cell?  Or is this
behavior unintentional?

-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] GMX 4.0 RC2: mdrun writes broken molecules?

2008-10-05 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi Justin,

It's indeed the case that mdrun now writes broken molecules. Has to do
with the domain decomposition and processors only keeping track of
'their' atoms. Too bad, but you'll just have to keep a .tpr around to
make molecules whole again afterwards. Using trjconv -nojump with a
suitable reference (not necessarily a .tpr) would also do it (and
simultaneously remove the jumps...).

Cheers,

Tsjerk

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been running some simulations with Gromacs 4.0 RC2, and I've noticed
> something strange.  In the output .gro file at the end of a run, the
> molecules in my system (a membrane protein) are broken, crossing periodic
> boundaries. This affects the lipids at the periphery of the box, in my case.
>
> Has there been some change since the previous version that mdrun is now
> writing broken molecules to fit everything within the unit cell?  Or is this
> behavior unintentional?
>
> -Justin
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Re: [gmx-users] .pdb to .gro => the atoms are not conneced with VMD

2008-10-05 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Chih-Ying Lin wrote:

Hi
.pdb to .gro => the atoms are not conneced with VMD


From "Lu Tian"=>

When .pdb convert to .gro,connecting information will lost,if the
distance between two atoms in .gro is too long,they won't be
connected.

Can Gromacs recognize that they are connected from the .gro file?



When running a simulation, Gromacs recognizes bonds from the .top, which get 
passed to the .tpr when running grompp.


There is no connectivity information in the .gro by itself.

-Justin


Thank you
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[gmx-users] .pdb to .gro => the atoms are not conneced with VMD

2008-10-05 Thread Chih-Ying Lin
Hi
.pdb to .gro => the atoms are not conneced with VMD

>From "Lu Tian"=>
When .pdb convert to .gro,connecting information will lost,if the
distance between two atoms in .gro is too long,they won't be
connected.

Can Gromacs recognize that they are connected from the .gro file?

Thank you
Lin
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Re: [gmx-users] MD => system exploding

2008-10-05 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Chih-Ying Lin wrote:

HI
When I run MD, my system is exploding.
And, I found after minimisation, the atoms of my molecule are seperated apart.



That probably suggests that whatever parameters you've applied are not correct.


The overall charge of my system is +1,  and I put one molecule in the
gas phase to do the structure test. But, it was already exploding.




What is a "structure test"?  What are you trying to determine?


Is it hard for a +1 charge molecule to maintain a good shape under MD
simulation?


Gas-phase charges involve high-energy species (ionized mass spec samples, 
plasma, etc.), so the answer is probably yes.


What is your molecule?  Is it a protein?  If you're using a charged protein in a 
vacuum, the force field you're using may not be valid.


-Justin


What are the procedures to test and determine the mistakes I made?


Thank you
Lin




Back Off! I just backed up md.log to ./#md.log.1#
Getting Loaded...
Reading file fullmd.tpr, VERSION 3.3.3 (single precision)
Loaded with Money

starting mdrun 'azoct'
10 steps,100.0 ps.

Warning: 1-4 interaction between 11 and 18 at distance 1.301 which is
larger than the 1-4 table size 1.000 nm
These are ignored for the rest of the simulation
This usually means your system is exploding,
if not, you should increase table-extension in your mdp file
step 10, will finish at Sun Oct  5 06:17:20 2008
---
Program mdrun, VERSION 3.3.3
Source code file: nsgrid.c, line: 226

Range checking error:
Explanation: During neighborsearching, we assign each particle to a grid
based on its coordinates. If your system contains collisions or parameter
errors that give particles very high velocities you might end up with some
coordinates being +-Infinity or NaN (not-a-number). Obviously, we cannot
put these on a grid, so this is usually where we detect those errors.
Make sure your system is properly energy-minimized and that the potential
energy seems reasonable before trying again.

Variable ci has value -2147483648. It should have been within [ 0 .. 5832 ]

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[gmx-users] MD => system exploding

2008-10-05 Thread Chih-Ying Lin
HI
When I run MD, my system is exploding.
And, I found after minimisation, the atoms of my molecule are seperated apart.

The overall charge of my system is +1,  and I put one molecule in the
gas phase to do the structure test. But, it was already exploding.


Is it hard for a +1 charge molecule to maintain a good shape under MD
simulation?
What are the procedures to test and determine the mistakes I made?


Thank you
Lin




Back Off! I just backed up md.log to ./#md.log.1#
Getting Loaded...
Reading file fullmd.tpr, VERSION 3.3.3 (single precision)
Loaded with Money

starting mdrun 'azoct'
10 steps,100.0 ps.

Warning: 1-4 interaction between 11 and 18 at distance 1.301 which is
larger than the 1-4 table size 1.000 nm
These are ignored for the rest of the simulation
This usually means your system is exploding,
if not, you should increase table-extension in your mdp file
step 10, will finish at Sun Oct  5 06:17:20 2008
---
Program mdrun, VERSION 3.3.3
Source code file: nsgrid.c, line: 226

Range checking error:
Explanation: During neighborsearching, we assign each particle to a grid
based on its coordinates. If your system contains collisions or parameter
errors that give particles very high velocities you might end up with some
coordinates being +-Infinity or NaN (not-a-number). Obviously, we cannot
put these on a grid, so this is usually where we detect those errors.
Make sure your system is properly energy-minimized and that the potential
energy seems reasonable before trying again.

Variable ci has value -2147483648. It should have been within [ 0 .. 5832 ]

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[gmx-users] GMX 4.0 RC2: mdrun writes broken molecules?

2008-10-05 Thread Justin A. Lemkul


Hi,

I've been running some simulations with Gromacs 4.0 RC2, and I've noticed 
something strange.  In the output .gro file at the end of a run, the molecules 
in my system (a membrane protein) are broken, crossing periodic boundaries. 
This affects the lipids at the periphery of the box, in my case.


Has there been some change since the previous version that mdrun is now writing 
broken molecules to fit everything within the unit cell?  Or is this behavior 
unintentional?


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] PR after minimisation and PR of missing residues?

2008-10-05 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



minnale wrote:


Hi all,
  I have two doubts on PR, may be these are trivial to you.

1.According to Gromacs procedure(from Gromacs tutorial) the sequential 
steps are (a)Energy minimisation (b)Position restrain with force 
constant descendant manner and finally (c)production. Here my doubt 
that, is it require to do energy minimisation between PR and production? 
because after PR the system equilibrating properly if do one 
minimisation the structure looses bad contacts with low energy, am I 
right? 



There is no need to run EM after PR.  EM simply gives the system a reasonable 
starting point, energetically speaking.


2.If my desire protein contain some missing residues(from PDB)rectified 
those residues by using INSIGHT-II. Later start simulations particularly 
at PR, is it require to keep restrain specifically on added missing 
residues or whole protein residues in .itp file? 



I don't see any reason not to restrain the entire protein, as long as it is 
intact.

-Justin


Any suggestions would be appreciated

Thanks in advance.






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[gmx-users] Pull.pdo Columns

2008-10-05 Thread VENKATESH HARIHARAN
Hello,

 I understand this topic has been dealt with previously, and I have read
all the relative material from the archives, but I am still having trouble
deciphering what each column corresponds to in the pull.pdo file for an AFM
pull, with one pull group and one reference group, and pulling in only the X
direction.  From what I've read, the columns are as follows:

Time RefX RefY RefZ PullX PullY PullZ SpringX SpringY SpringZ

...for a total of 10 columns.  The problem is that when I use the values of for
the reference group and pull group at time zero to calculate end to end
distance, they do not correspond to my starting pdb file after solvation.  Any
thoughts?

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[gmx-users] .pdb to .gro => the atoms are not conneced with VMD

2008-10-05 Thread ABEL Stephane 175950
Hi,

VMD uses a heuristic method to know if some atoms are connected. Sometimes the 
method fails. To be sure (and see) the atoms are well connected in VMD, you 
need to provided a psf file with your pdb/gro in VMD. So in your case you gro 
files is correct (since you indicated that your system are correct). An 
alternative see you gro in other software in pymol to confirm. 


I hope it helps 


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Hi all,
  I have two doubts on PR, may be these are trivial to you.

1.According to Gromacs procedure(from Gromacs tutorial) the sequential steps 
are (a)Energy minimisation (b)Position restrain with force constant descendant 
manner and finally (c)production. Here my doubt that, is it require to do 
energy minimisation between PR and production? because after PR the system 
equilibrating properly if do one minimisation the structure looses bad contacts 
with low energy, am I right?  

2.If my desire protein contain some missing residues(from PDB)rectified those 
residues by using INSIGHT-II. Later start simulations particularly at PR, is it 
require to keep restrain specifically on added missing residues or whole 
protein residues in .itp file?  

Any suggestions would be appreciated

Thanks in advance.
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Hi
I make .pdb file to .gro file.

With the VMD, the atoms are seen NOT conneced.

Why?
Is there any possible errors in my .gro file?

Lin


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Re: [gmx-users] (no subject)

2008-10-05 Thread David van der Spoel

Sunil Thapa wrote:


hello gmx users
I am a new fellow in gromacs
My structure contains 56 residues belonging to parallel helices 
separated by about 2 nm.

I used editconf as:
editconf- -bt dodecahedron -c
and
editconf -bt dodecahedron -d 6.5 -c
 
where 6.5nm I used as separation of unit cells
 
Now when I solvated using spc216. In the first case, the number of 
solvent molecules was more than 117000 and in the second case it was 
704. Moreover, in both the cases large number of atoms lied outside the box.
 
Can you tell me how to know the appropriate size of box for a protein 
structure like mine

how about 1 nm (10 angstrom)?

Thanks in advance
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[gmx-users] (no subject)

2008-10-05 Thread Sunil Thapa
hello gmx users
I am a new fellow in gromacs
My structure contains 56 residues belonging to parallel helices separated by 
about 2 nm.
I used editconf as:
editconf- -bt dodecahedron -c
and 
editconf -bt dodecahedron -d 6.5 -c 
 
where 6.5nm I used as separation of unit cells
 
Now when I solvated using spc216. In the first case, the number of solvent 
molecules was more than 117000 and in the second case it was 704. Moreover, in 
both the cases large number of atoms lied outside the box.
 
Can you tell me how to know the appropriate size of box for a protein structure 
like mine
Thanks in advance
Neal 


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2008-10-05 Thread Sunil Thapa
All gmx users
 
I am a very new fellow in gromacs
 
My structure contains 52 residues of a parallel helices with the separation of 
about 2 nm. I created a box with the editconf as
editconf -bt dodecahedron -c   
 


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Re: [gmx-users] Force constant defined in flexible TIP3P water model

2008-10-05 Thread David van der Spoel

Bert wrote:

Dear Gromacs Users,
I have a simple question about the force constants of flexible TIP3P 
water model defined in Gromacs. From the literature (THE JOURNAL OF 
CHEMICAL PHYSICS 124, 024503 2006), the force constant for bond and 
angle is 1059.162 kcal/mol/angstrom^2 and 68.087 kcal/mol/rad^2, which 
is equivalent to 443153 kJ/mol/nm^2 and 285 kJ/mol/rad^2, 
respectively. These two values are inconsistent with the corresponding 
values in tip3p.itp, which gives 502416.0 kJ/mol/nm^2 for bond 
and  628.02 kJ/mol/rad^2 for angle. I wanna know which one will be ok to 
use. Thanks for your attention.


The original TIP3P model (JCP 79 (1983) 926) was rigid as far as I know. 
If you want a simple flexible model I would recommed TIP4P/Flex (Chem 
Phys Lett 372 (2003) 842). A literature search will probably reveal more 
models.


 
Bert





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[gmx-users] Force constant defined in flexible TIP3P water model

2008-10-05 Thread Bert
Dear Gromacs Users,
I have a simple question about the force constants of flexible TIP3P water
model defined in Gromacs. From the literature (THE JOURNAL OF CHEMICAL
PHYSICS 124, 024503 2006), the force constant for bond and angle is 1059.162
kcal/mol/angstrom^2 and 68.087 kcal/mol/rad^2, which is equivalent to 443153
kJ/mol/nm^2 and 285 kJ/mol/rad^2, respectively. These two values are
inconsistent with the corresponding values in tip3p.itp, which gives
502416.0 kJ/mol/nm^2 for bond and  628.02 kJ/mol/rad^2 for angle. I wanna
know which one will be ok to use. Thanks for your attention.

Bert
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[gmx-users] Re: .pdb to .gro => the atoms are not conneced with

2008-10-05 Thread sobereva
Hi,Lin

If you only loaded structure file into VMD(such as .pdb/.gro),connecting 
relationship will determined by distance between atoms automatically,unless the 
structure file have connecting information.
   
  When .pdb convert to .gro,connecting information will lost,if the distance 
between two atoms in .gro is too long,they won't be connected.If you want to 
connect them,you can use "setbonds" command in console(see VMD ug),or choose 
"DynamicBonds" in Drawing Method and set "Distance Cutoff" larger.
   
  Of course,don't forget to check .gro file carefully before.
   
   Lu Tian
   
  Hi
I make .pdb file to .gro file.

With the VMD, the atoms are seen NOT conneced.

Why?
Is there any possible errors in my .gro file?

Lin


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[gmx-users] .pdb to .gro => the atoms are not conneced with VMD

2008-10-05 Thread Chih-Ying Lin
Hi
I make .pdb file to .gro file.

With the VMD, the atoms are seen NOT conneced.

Why?
Is there any possible errors in my .gro file?

Lin
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