[gmx-users] Dynamics cross correlation map

2010-03-24 Thread sukesh chandra gain

Hi Tsjerk,

Thank you for your reply. May be I was not very clear with my previous post.
I am not looking for covariance / atomic covariances map (ie., 
covar.xpm/covara.xpm) which are generated by g_covar tool in GROMACS. I 
am particularly trying to get correlation map (example: 
http://www.pnas.org/content/102/4/994/F2.large.jpg, 
http://www.pnas.org/content/99/26/16597/F3.small.gif). I hope there is a 
difference between covariance matrix and correlation matrix.
The correlated motions between two atoms is calculated as the magnitude 
of the co-relation coefficient between the atoms.  In case of a system 
it can be assessed by examining the magnitude of all pairwise 
cross-correlation coefficients. The cross-correlation coefficient, 
C(i,j) for each pair of atoms i and j is calculated as:
C(i,j) =  delta r(i) * delta r(j)  / sqrt  sqr(delta r(i) )  . sqrt 
 sqr(delta r(j) )  , where delta r(i) is the displacement from mean 
position of the ith atom and   symbol represents the time average.
This function returns a matrix of all atom-wise cross-correlations whose 
elements, C(i,j), may be displayed in a graphical representation 
frequently termed a dynamical cross-correlation map, or DCCM. If C(i,j) 
= 1 the fluctuations of atoms i and j are completely correlated, if 
C(i,j) = -1 the fluctuations of atoms i and j are completely 
anticorrelated and if C(i,j) = 0 the fluctuations of i and j are not 
correlated.
Now my query is there any tool like g_correlation 
(http://www.mpibpc.mpg.de/home/grubmueller/projects/MethodAdvancements/GeneralizedCorrelations/index.html) 
by which I can get the cross-correlation matrix from covariance matrix 
or directly from trajectory file.


Ref:1. Hünenberger PH, Mark AE, van Gunsteren WF; Fluctuation and 
cross-correlation analysis of protein motions observed in nanosecond 
molecular dynamics simulations; JMB 1995; 252:492-503
2. Oliver F. Lange, H. Grubmüller; Generalized Correlation for 
Biomolecular Dynamics; Proteins  2006; 62:1053-1061



Thank You,
Regards,
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Re: [gmx-users] Dynamics cross correlation map

2010-03-24 Thread Ran Friedman, Biochemisches Inst.

Hi Sukesh,

I once put a version of g_covar that can calculate the correlations in the 
user contributions. Check if it's there or reply to me privately if you 
can't find it (though I'm on the road till Friday).


Good luck,
Ran

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:46:42 +0530
 sukesh chandra gain suk...@atc.tcs.com wrote:

Hi Tsjerk,

Thank you for your reply. May be I was not very clear with my previous 
post.
I am not looking for covariance / atomic covariances map (ie., 
covar.xpm/covara.xpm) which are generated by g_covar tool in GROMACS. I am 
particularly trying to get correlation map (example: 
http://www.pnas.org/content/102/4/994/F2.large.jpg, 
http://www.pnas.org/content/99/26/16597/F3.small.gif). I hope there is a 
difference between covariance matrix and correlation matrix.
The correlated motions between two atoms is calculated as the magnitude of 
the co-relation coefficient between the atoms.  In case of a system it can 
be assessed by examining the magnitude of all pairwise cross-correlation 
coefficients. The cross-correlation coefficient, C(i,j) for each pair of 
atoms i and j is calculated as:
C(i,j) =  delta r(i) * delta r(j)  / sqrt  sqr(delta r(i) )  . sqrt  
sqr(delta r(j) )  , where delta r(i) is the displacement from mean 
position of the ith atom and   symbol represents the time average.
This function returns a matrix of all atom-wise cross-correlations whose 
elements, C(i,j), may be displayed in a graphical representation frequently 
termed a dynamical cross-correlation map, or DCCM. If C(i,j) = 1 the 
fluctuations of atoms i and j are completely correlated, if C(i,j) = -1 the 
fluctuations of atoms i and j are completely anticorrelated and if C(i,j) = 
0 the fluctuations of i and j are not correlated.
Now my query is there any tool like g_correlation 
(http://www.mpibpc.mpg.de/home/grubmueller/projects/MethodAdvancements/GeneralizedCorrelations/index.html) 
by which I can get the cross-correlation matrix from covariance matrix or 
directly from trajectory file.


Ref:1. Hünenberger PH, Mark AE, van Gunsteren WF; Fluctuation and 
cross-correlation analysis of protein motions observed in nanosecond 
molecular dynamics simulations; JMB 1995; 252:492-503
2. Oliver F. Lange, H. Grubmüller; Generalized Correlation for 
Biomolecular Dynamics; Proteins  2006; 62:1053-1061



Thank You,
Regards,
Sukesh

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[gmx-users] Re:x2top

2010-03-24 Thread Vitaly V. Chaban
Charges... Hmmm...

I think you have incorrect data types passed to x2top.

Vitaly


 I think the result cannot be trusted because the total charge is 1.2, which
 seems impossible. I just used the result calculated by Material Studio and I
 used the value of charge on the internal atoms. The atoms in surface have
 different charges. I have to change the charge by hand.

 P.S. -pbc or -nopbc is depend on if you will use Periodical Boundary
 Condition. My pdb is a SiO2 sphere, so I used -nopbc

 Di Cheng
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[gmx-users] extract subsystem energy: problem with mdrun -rerun and LJ(SR)

2010-03-24 Thread Andrea Minoia
Dear all,
I have performed a MD of a polymer chain interacting on a carbon nanotube
using gromacs 4.0.7. I need to evaluate the potential energy of the polymer
alone, during the dynamic, so to compare with its potential energy in vacuo.
During the dynamic, the CNT was frozen, and I used exclusions groups to
avoid to calculate CNT CNT non bonding interactions (I assume the bonds and
angles potentials are computed anyway).

Looking at the mailing list, I have used the following method:

1) use make_ndx to create a group system containing only the atoms for the
polymer

2) Create a new simulation file:tpbconv  -s original.tpr -n index.ndx -o
rerun.tpr
3) adjust the trajectory according to the new simulation file:  trjconv -f
totaltrj.xtc -n index.ndx -s rerun.tpr -o rerun.xtc
4) analyze the trajectory: mdrun -s rerun.tps -rerun rerun.xtc

everything is performed without errors, but, when I use g_energy to evaluate
the energy of the polymer, I get something like:

Statistics over 1501 steps [ 0. thru 3.0020 ps ], 7 data sets
All averages are over 15001 frames

Energy  Average   RMSD Fluct.  Drift
Tot-Drift
--
-
Angle   1630.1861.535661.0703 -0.000872146
-26.1644
Ryckaert-Bell.  233.04945.135834.5826 -0.00334919
-100.476
LJ-14   669.90720.079719.9169 -0.000294607
-8.8382
Coulomb-14  637.18716.292116.1707 0.000229164
6.87492
LJ (SR)   0  0  0
0  0
Coulomb (SR)  0  0  0
0  0
Potential   3170.3384.065475.4238 -0.00428678
-128.603


The question is: why the short range lennard-jones and short range coulombic
interactions are zero? those are the usual option from 1 to 8:
  2  Angle3  Ryckaert-Bell.   4  LJ-14   5  Coulomb-14   6
LJ-(SR)  7  Coulomb-(SR) 8  Potential

They are present for the orginal dynamic on CNT as well as in the dynamic in
vacuo.
hope in some answers. Thanks

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Re: [gmx-users] extract subsystem energy: problem with mdrun -rerun and LJ(SR)

2010-03-24 Thread Mark Abraham

On 24/03/2010 7:34 PM, Andrea Minoia wrote:

Dear all,
I have performed a MD of a polymer chain interacting on a carbon
nanotube using gromacs 4.0.7. I need to evaluate the potential energy of
the polymer alone, during the dynamic, so to compare with its potential
energy in vacuo. During the dynamic, the CNT was frozen, and I used
exclusions groups to avoid to calculate CNT CNT non bonding interactions
(I assume the bonds and angles potentials are computed anyway).

Looking at the mailing list, I have used the following method:

1) use make_ndx to create a group system containing only the atoms for
the polymer

2) Create a new simulation file:tpbconv  -s original.tpr -n
index.ndx -o rerun.tpr
3) adjust the trajectory according to the new simulation file:  trjconv
-f totaltrj.xtc -n index.ndx -s rerun.tpr -o rerun.xtc
4) analyze the trajectory: mdrun -s rerun.tps -rerun rerun.xtc

everything is performed without errors, but, when I use g_energy to
evaluate the energy of the polymer, I get something like:

Statistics over 1501 steps [ 0. thru 3.0020 ps ], 7 data sets
All averages are over 15001 frames

Energy  Average   RMSD Fluct.  Drift
Tot-Drift
--
-
Angle   1630.1861.535661.0703 -0.000872146
-26.1644
Ryckaert-Bell.  233.04945.135834.5826 -0.00334919
-100.476
LJ-14   669.90720.079719.9169
-0.000294607-8.8382
Coulomb-14  637.18716.292116.1707 0.000229164
6.87492
LJ (SR)   0  0  0
0  0
Coulomb (SR)  0  0  0
0  0
Potential   3170.3384.065475.4238 -0.00428678
-128.603


The question is: why the short range lennard-jones and short range
coulombic interactions are zero? those are the usual option from 1 to 8:
   2  Angle3  Ryckaert-Bell.   4  LJ-14   5
Coulomb-14   6  LJ-(SR)  7  Coulomb-(SR) 8  Potential

They are present for the orginal dynamic on CNT as well as in the
dynamic in vacuo.
hope in some answers. Thanks


In the absence of information about your ensemble (from your .mdp file 
or a description, hint hint) I'd guess it's because you've excluded all 
the non-bonded interactions for which you had non-zero parameters defined.


Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] extract subsystem energy: problem with mdrun -rerun and LJ(SR)

2010-03-24 Thread Andrea Minoia
Mark,
thank you for the fast reply. My original mdp, the one I used to run the
dynamics is

nstcgsteep   = 1000
nbfgscorr= 10
emstep   = 0.02
emtol= 10
dt   = 0.002
nsteps   = 1500
comm-mode= none
nstcomm  = 1
comm_grps= system
nstxout  = 1000
nstvout  = 1000
nstfout  =
nstlog   = 1000
nstenergy= 1000
nstxtcout= 1000
xtc_grps = system
energygrps   = CNT pcl
nstlist  = 10
ns_type  = grid
pbc  = xyz
rlist= 1.5
coulombtype  = cut-off
rcoulomb = 1.5
vdwtype  = cut-off
rvdw = 1.5
periodic_molecules   = yes
tcoupl   = nose-hoover
tc-grps  = system
tau_t= 0.5
ref_t= 300
Pcoupl   = no
pcoupltype   = isotropic
tau_p= 5.0
compressibility  = 4.5e-5
ref_p= 1.0
gen_vel  = no
gen_temp = 300
gen_seed = -1
constraints  = all-bonds
constraint_algorithm = LINCS
lincs-order  = 4
lincs-iter   = 1
lincs-warnangle  = 30
freezegrps   = CNT
freezedim= Y Y Y
nwall= 0
wall_type= 9-3
wall_r_linpot= -1
wall_atomtype=
wall_density =
wall_ewald_zfac  = 3
ewald_geometry   = 3d
energygrp_excl   = CNT CNT

with this I have created, of course the tpr used to run the dynamic:
runmd.tpr. With make_ndx, I have an index file containing only the pcl
group. using this index file, i have created the new tpr, rerun.tpr,  from
the original runmd.tpr file using tpbconv.
as far as I see, the only exclusion is for the CNT CNT groups (last line of
the mdp file above).

a gmxdump of rerun.tpr gives me this info about groups (at the end of the
file)

Group statistics
T-Coupling  : 756  (total 756 atoms)
Energy Mon. : 756  0  0  (total 756 atoms)
Acceleration: 756  (total 756 atoms)
Freeze  : 756  0  (total 756 atoms)
User1   : 756  (total 756 atoms)
User2   : 756  (total 756 atoms)
VCM : 756  (total 756 atoms)
XTC : 756  (total 756 atoms)
Or. Res. Fit: 756  (total 756 atoms)
QMMM: 756  (total 756 atoms)

If this is not helping you, please can you tell me what else you need?
Again, thanks.
cheers,
Andrea

In the absence of information about your ensemble (from your .mdp file or a
 description, hint hint) I'd guess it's because you've excluded all the
 non-bonded interactions for which you had non-zero parameters defined.

 Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] Dynamics cross correlation map

2010-03-24 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi Sukesh,

Great. This makes things much clearer. So basically what you'd need to
do is to divide each i,j-th element of the covariance matrix you
obtained (covar.dat) by the sqrt of the  ii-th and jj-th diagonal
element. That will commonly turn a covariance matrix into a
correlation matrix. But, that also happens to be what the modified
version of g_covar provided by Ran does. I think it's still on the
contributions page.

Just one more thing, the generalized correlation of Lange and
Grubmueller is a bit of a different thing. Might also be handy though.
In stead of calculating the correlation as the normalized product
moment, they have a similarity parameter that measures how close the
actual distribution of measurements is to the one you'd get if the
measurements were uncorrelated (mutually independent). This
compensates for non-linear relationships between variables.

Cheers,

Tsjerk

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:16 AM, sukesh chandra gain suk...@atc.tcs.com wrote:
 Hi Tsjerk,

 Thank you for your reply. May be I was not very clear with my previous post.
 I am not looking for covariance / atomic covariances map (ie.,
 covar.xpm/covara.xpm) which are generated by g_covar tool in GROMACS. I am
 particularly trying to get correlation map (example:
 http://www.pnas.org/content/102/4/994/F2.large.jpg,
 http://www.pnas.org/content/99/26/16597/F3.small.gif). I hope there is a
 difference between covariance matrix and correlation matrix.
 The correlated motions between two atoms is calculated as the magnitude of
 the co-relation coefficient between the atoms.  In case of a system it can
 be assessed by examining the magnitude of all pairwise cross-correlation
 coefficients. The cross-correlation coefficient, C(i,j) for each pair of
 atoms i and j is calculated as:
 C(i,j) =  delta r(i) * delta r(j)  / sqrt  sqr(delta r(i) )  . sqrt 
 sqr(delta r(j) )  , where delta r(i) is the displacement from mean position
 of the ith atom and   symbol represents the time average.
 This function returns a matrix of all atom-wise cross-correlations whose
 elements, C(i,j), may be displayed in a graphical representation frequently
 termed a dynamical cross-correlation map, or DCCM. If C(i,j) = 1 the
 fluctuations of atoms i and j are completely correlated, if C(i,j) = -1 the
 fluctuations of atoms i and j are completely anticorrelated and if C(i,j) =
 0 the fluctuations of i and j are not correlated.
 Now my query is there any tool like g_correlation
 (http://www.mpibpc.mpg.de/home/grubmueller/projects/MethodAdvancements/GeneralizedCorrelations/index.html)
 by which I can get the cross-correlation matrix from covariance matrix or
 directly from trajectory file.

 Ref:1. Hünenberger PH, Mark AE, van Gunsteren WF; Fluctuation and
 cross-correlation analysis of protein motions observed in nanosecond
 molecular dynamics simulations; JMB 1995; 252:492-503
 2. Oliver F. Lange, H. Grubmüller; Generalized Correlation for Biomolecular
 Dynamics; Proteins  2006; 62:1053-1061


 Thank You,
 Regards,
 Sukesh

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Re: [gmx-users] make ghost atom

2010-03-24 Thread ilona . baldus


I'm not sure if this helps, but have you tried link/ dummy atoms like  
you use them for QMMM? For dummies add a line to ff***nb.itp where you  
define them to have neither charge nor weight (also 0 for LJ-pot).

Then add them to your topology-file. Check out

http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/QMMM


Quoting Park, Jae Hyun nmn pa...@ornl.gov:


Dear all,

I would like to change a specific atom into a ghost particle (no   
interaction with system) after some time (for example, 1ns).

Is there any way to implement it in GROMACS?
If I need change the code, what file do I have to look at?

I would deeply appreciate any comments.
Jae H. Park

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Re: [gmx-users] extract subsystem energy: problem with mdrun -rerun and LJ(SR)

2010-03-24 Thread Andrea Minoia
I found something:

apparently, I need to remove the energygrp_excl = CNT CNT from the original
mdp, generate a new tpr with this modified mdp and grompp, and then use
tpbconv to create the simulation file for the subsystem.

my energy groups are still CNT and pcl and now g_energy gives something like
this:

LJ (SR)-749.54682.968663.7099 0.00613714
184.114
Potential2214.789.275189.1628 0.000516773
15.5032
LJ-SR:pcl-pcl 0  0  0
0  0

but still, LJ-SR:pcl-pcl is 0... should not be the same as LJ(SR)?... does
not make too much sense.

Summarizing what i did:
1) edit the mdp file, remove the groups in energygrp_excl, even if not used
in the subsytem
   Just to clarify, comparing the new mdp with that posted before, the only
difference is:
 energygrp_excl   =
 ---
 energygrp_excl   = CNT CNT

2) create the index file for the subsystem

3) rerun grompp to create the new tpr for all the system, without
energygrp_excl

4) use the new tpr with tpbconv to create the simulation file for the
subsystem

5) adjust the trajectory

6) run mdrun -rerun

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[gmx-users] Query regarding toplogy of Manganese ion in protein

2010-03-24 Thread sonali dhindwal
Hello,

I have protein in my protein, for which i want to run MD simulation.
Could you please help me to know how to generate topology file for Manganese 
and which force field to use, as none of the force field in Gromacs supports Mn 
ion.
Please Help
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[gmx-users] Re: Query regarding toplogy of Manganese ion in protein

2010-03-24 Thread sonali dhindwal
Hello,

I have a Manganese ion in my protein, for which i want to run MD simulation.
Could
you please help me to know how to generate topology file for Manganese
and which force field to use, as none of the force field in Gromacs
supports Mn ion.
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Subject: Query regarding toplogy of Manganese ion in protein
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Date: Wednesday, 24 March, 2010, 5:35 PM

Hello,

I have protein in my protein, for which i want to run MD simulation.
Could you please help me to know how to generate topology file for Manganese 
and which force field to use, as none of the force field in Gromacs supports Mn 
ion.
Please Help
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Re: [gmx-users] Query regarding toplogy of Manganese ion in protein

2010-03-24 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



sonali dhindwal wrote:

Hello,

I have protein in my protein, for which i want to run MD simulation.
Could you please help me to know how to generate topology file for 
Manganese and which force field to use, as none of the force field in 
Gromacs supports Mn ion.


Parameterization is considered a very advanced task, and generating good 
parameters for a transition metal is especially challenging.  See here:


http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Parameterization#Exotic_Species

Parameters for Mn are available for the AMBER force fields, which can be 
incorporated into Gromacs with the ffamber ports.  The reference for Mn can be 
found at:


http://www.pharmacy.manchester.ac.uk/bryce/amber#ion

-Justin


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Re: [gmx-users] Query regarding toplogy of Manganese ion in protein

2010-03-24 Thread sonali dhindwal
Thanks for your help
I hope it will work.
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From: Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Query regarding toplogy of Manganese ion in protein
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Date: Wednesday, 24 March, 2010, 5:44 PM



sonali dhindwal wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I have protein in my protein, for which i want to run MD simulation.
 Could you please help me to know how to generate topology file for Manganese 
 and which force field to use, as none of the force field in Gromacs supports 
 Mn ion.

Parameterization is considered a very advanced task, and generating good 
parameters for a transition metal is especially challenging.  See here:

http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Parameterization#Exotic_Species

Parameters for Mn are available for the AMBER force fields, which can be 
incorporated into Gromacs with the ffamber ports.  The reference for Mn can be 
found at:

http://www.pharmacy.manchester.ac.uk/bryce/amber#ion

-Justin

 Please Help
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Re: [gmx-users] Query regarding toplogy of Manganese ion in protein

2010-03-24 Thread Mark Abraham

On 24/03/2010 11:37 PM, sonali dhindwal wrote:

Thanks for your help
I hope it will work.


Better than just hoping is design a small test case to see if the 
parameters are vaguely suitable for *your* purpose - and read up on how 
they were parameterized and for what purpose... Your problem could 
easily be too large in scope for someone without years of MD experience.


Mark


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Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Query regarding toplogy of Manganese ion in
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Date: Wednesday, 24 March, 2010, 5:44 PM



sonali dhindwal wrote:
  Hello,
 
  I have protein in my protein, for which i want to run MD simulation.
  Could you please help me to know how to generate topology file
for Manganese and which force field to use, as none of the force
field in Gromacs supports Mn ion.

Parameterization is considered a very advanced task, and generating
good parameters for a transition metal is especially challenging.
See here:

http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Parameterization#Exotic_Species

Parameters for Mn are available for the AMBER force fields, which
can be incorporated into Gromacs with the ffamber ports. The
reference for Mn can be found at:

http://www.pharmacy.manchester.ac.uk/bryce/amber#ion

-Justin

  Please Help
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[gmx-users] how to reconstruct potentials of mean force through time series analysis of SMD or pulling simulations

2010-03-24 Thread xi zhao
Dear gromacs users:

How to reconstruct potentials of mean force through time series analysis of SMD 
or pulling simulations; for example, software or script using, how to 
reconstruct PMF in detail?
thank you very much! 





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Re: [gmx-users] how to reconstruct potentials of mean force through time series analysis of SMD or pulling simulations

2010-03-24 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



xi zhao wrote:

Dear gromacs users:

How to reconstruct potentials of mean force through time series analysis 
of SMD or pulling simulations; for example, software or script using, 
how to reconstruct PMF in detail?

thank you very much!



http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Tutorials#Umbrella_Sampling

-Justin



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[gmx-users] how to analye a single structure (NMR or X-ray) by PCA?

2010-03-24 Thread xi zhao
Dear sir :
I want to analye a collective motions of a single structure by PCA , for 
example, how to choose reference structure using g_covar; how to show its 
position in 2D-projection (conformational space)?
thank you very much!


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Re: [gmx-users] how to analye a single structure (NMR or X-ray) by PCA?

2010-03-24 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



xi zhao wrote:

Dear sir :
I want to analye a collective motions of a single structure by PCA , for 
example, how to choose reference structure using g_covar; how to show 
its position in 2D-projection (conformational space)?

thank you very much!


There have been several discussions on this topic (hint: search the list 
archive), one even in recent days:


http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2010-March/049525.html

Also, read g_covar -h for information about the algorithm.

-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] how to reconstruct potentials of mean force through time series analysis of SMD or pulling simulations

2010-03-24 Thread xi zhao
dear Mr Justin A. Lemkul :
I have read your tutorial ,it is suitable for umbrella sampling method, it is 
not for SMD, wham or g_wham can not be used!
Thnak you!




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xi zhao wrote:
 Dear gromacs users:
 
 How to reconstruct potentials of mean force through time series analysis of 
 SMD or pulling simulations; for example, software or script using, how to 
 reconstruct PMF in detail?
 thank you very much!
 

http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Tutorials#Umbrella_Sampling

-Justin

 
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Re: [gmx-users] how to reconstruct potentials of mean force through time series analysis of SMD or pulling simulations

2010-03-24 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



xi zhao wrote:

dear Mr Justin A. Lemkul :
I have read your _tutorial ,it is suitable for umbrella sampling method, 
it is not for SMD, wham or g_wham can not be used!_

_Thnak you!_



If you want to use SMD trajectories to calculate free energy changes, you will 
need Jarzynski's inequality and a large amount of sampling.  I do not think such 
a method is implemented in Gromacs; you may have to write your own scripts to do 
this.


-Justin



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xi zhao wrote:
  Dear gromacs users:
 
  How to reconstruct potentials of mean force through time series
analysis of SMD or pulling simulations; for example, software or
script using, how to reconstruct PMF in detail?
  thank you very much!
 

http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Tutorials#Umbrella_Sampling

-Justin

 
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Re: [gmx-users] how to analye a single structure (NMR or X-ray) by PCA?

2010-03-24 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi,

Now that particular reference was not a very suitable one for this question :)
The proper reply here is:

There are no collective motions in a single structure, period!

Do some background reading on PCA, and some more on PCA as applied to
MD simulations. There is some information in the manual, there are
plenty of papers and there is a bit of it in the tutorial at
http://nmr.chem.uu.nl/~tsjerk/course/molmod/analysis1.html. And there
is indeed a lot said on the mailing list too.

Also note that PCA is not an easy subject.

Cheers,

Tsjerk

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 xi zhao wrote:

 Dear sir :
 I want to analye a collective motions of a single structure by PCA , for
 example, how to choose reference structure using g_covar; how to show its
 position in 2D-projection (conformational space)?
 thank you very much!

 There have been several discussions on this topic (hint: search the list
 archive), one even in recent days:

 http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2010-March/049525.html

 Also, read g_covar -h for information about the algorithm.

 -Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] how to reconstruct potentials of mean force through time series analysis of SMD or pulling simulations

2010-03-24 Thread xi zhao
Dear Mr  Justin A. Lemkul :
   Thank you for your advice, can you give more suggetions?
Thank you very much! 



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xi zhao wrote:
 dear Mr Justin A. Lemkul :
 I have read your _tutorial ,it is suitable for umbrella sampling method, it 
 is not for SMD, wham or g_wham can not be used!_
 _Thnak you!_
 

If you want to use SMD trajectories to calculate free energy changes, you will 
need Jarzynski's inequality and a large amount of sampling.  I do not think 
such a method is implemented in Gromacs; you may have to write your own scripts 
to do this.

-Justin

 
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       Dear gromacs users:
      
       How to reconstruct potentials of mean force through time series
     analysis of SMD or pulling simulations; for example, software or
     script using, how to reconstruct PMF in detail?
       thank you very much!
      
 
     http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Tutorials#Umbrella_Sampling
 
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Re: [gmx-users] how to reconstruct potentials of mean force through time series analysis of SMD or pulling simulations

2010-03-24 Thread xi zhao

Dear Mr Justin A. Lemkul : 
  In fact, please read the document 
http://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/Publications/CEUR-WS/Vol-513/paper06.pdf, 
 the document shows the PMF can be reconstructed from the SMD, why?
thank you! 



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xi zhao wrote:
 dear Mr Justin A. Lemkul :
 I have read your _tutorial ,it is suitable for umbrella sampling method, it 
 is not for SMD, wham or g_wham can not be used!_
 _Thnak you!_
 

If you want to use SMD trajectories to calculate free energy changes, you will 
need Jarzynski's inequality and a large amount of sampling.  I do not think 
such a method is implemented in Gromacs; you may have to write your own scripts 
to do this.

-Justin

 
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 --- *10年3月24日,周三, Justin A. Lemkul /jalem...@vt.edu/* 写道:
 
 
     发件人: Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu
     主题: Re: [gmx-users] how to reconstruct potentials of mean force
     through time series analysis of SMD or pulling simulations
     收件人: Discussion list for GROMACS users gmx-users@gromacs.org
     日期: 2010年3月24日,周三,下午9:58
 
 
 
     xi zhao wrote:
       Dear gromacs users:
      
       How to reconstruct potentials of mean force through time series
     analysis of SMD or pulling simulations; for example, software or
     script using, how to reconstruct PMF in detail?
       thank you very much!
      
 
     http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Tutorials#Umbrella_Sampling
 
     -Justin
 
      
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RE: [gmx-users] how to reconstruct potentials of mean force through time series analysis of SMD or pulling simulations

2010-03-24 Thread Berk Hess

Ah, I can make some advertisement for my own work again.
If you can do equilibrium simulations these will always be more efficient
than non-equilibrium, as Justin also pointed out below.
I have published a case where you can not (or not efficiently) do equilibrium
simulations, because you don't know the end state, then non-equilibrium
simulations are really useful, otherwise not:
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ma702070n

Berk

 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:48:18 -0400
 From: jalem...@vt.edu
 To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to reconstruct potentials of mean force through  
 time series analysis of SMD or pulling simulations
 
 
 
 xi zhao wrote:
  
  Dear Mr Justin A. Lemkul :
In fact, please read the document 
  http://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/Publications/CEUR-WS/Vol-513/paper06.pdf,

  the document shows the PMF can be reconstructed from the SMD, why?
 
 I never disputed that fact.  Please the post I just sent you.  The 
 conclusions 
 of the paper indicate that umbrella sampling is more robust and costs less 
 time, 
 although, if conducted properly, SMD can yield similar results.
 
 -Justin
 
  thank you!
  
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  发件人: Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu
  主题: Re: [gmx-users] how to reconstruct potentials of mean force
  through time series analysis of SMD or pulling simulations
  收件人: Gromacs Users' List gmx-users@gromacs.org
  日期: 2010年3月24日,周三,下午10:10
  
  
  
  xi zhao wrote:
dear Mr Justin A. Lemkul :
I have read your _tutorial ,it is suitable for umbrella sampling
  method, it is not for SMD, wham or g_wham can not be used!_
_Thnak you!_
   
  
  If you want to use SMD trajectories to calculate free energy
  changes, you will need Jarzynski's inequality and a large amount of
  sampling.  I do not think such a method is implemented in Gromacs;
  you may have to write your own scripts to do this.
  
  -Justin
  
   
4
  
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xi zhao wrote:
  Dear gromacs users:
 
  How to reconstruct potentials of mean force through time
  series
analysis of SMD or pulling simulations; for example, software or
script using, how to reconstruct PMF in detail?
  thank you very much!
 
   
http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Tutorials#Umbrella_Sampling
   
-Justin
   
 
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[gmx-users] cutoff problem

2010-03-24 Thread Qian Wang
Hi,
 
I want to test different values of cutoff for vdw. However, in the list someone 
said cutoff = 0.9 for vdw was used for paramaterizing of Gromos force field, 
other values would cause error, and also there was someone saying that cutoff 
for vdw should be set to 1.4. Can someone make this question clear? Thanks a 
lot.
 
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Re: [gmx-users] cutoff problem

2010-03-24 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Qian Wang wrote:

Hi,
 
I want to test different values of cutoff for vdw. However, in the list 
someone said cutoff = 0.9 for vdw was used for paramaterizing of Gromos 
force field, other values would cause error, and also there was someone 
saying that cutoff for vdw should be set to 1.4. Can someone make this 
question clear? Thanks a lot.


It is always helpful to post the URL's to the posts where you found this 
information.  If your goal is to test different cutoff values, you should be 
able to sort out sources of error.  Have a look at the original literature.  For 
example, in the citation for the 53A5/53A6 parameter sets:


...the parameters used to describe the van der Waals interactions in the 
liquids perform well in combination with the (recently developed) aliphatic van 
der Waals parameters.  All have now been parameterized with a cutoff of 1.4 nm.


Furthermore, that paper describes the appropriate cutoffs for neighborsearching 
and short-range Coulombic interactions, although the latter is somewhat flexible 
in conjunction with PME, which was not used in the original derivation.


-Justin

 
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[gmx-users] Re: Re: Re: g_bundle problem

2010-03-24 Thread Stefan Hoorman

 Stefan Hoorman wrote:
 
 
  Stefan Hoorman wrote:
   
Stefan Hoorman wrote:
  I have tried using g_bundle in order to analyse helix axes
  in my
  transmembran helices. I created two groups in my ndx file
 that
included
  the alpha carbons of the first half of my helix and a
 second
group for
  the alpha carbons for the second half. When I try using
  g_bundle the
  following error comes up:
  Fatal error:
  The size of one of your index groups is not a multiple of
 n
  What am I doing wrong?
   
Not a clue - What is your exact command line?  How many atoms
  are in
each index
group?  The value of n is the number of parts into which the
 axes
are divided
and there are several criteria in the code that must be met,
 else
you get this
error.  So without this information, the best guess is: some
criterion is not
being met.
   
-Justin
   
  Thank you
 
   
--
   
g_bundle analyzes bundles of axes - and therefore number of
 atoms
each group
have to be divisible by number of axes (entered by -na). And I
suppose, you
are interested in analyzing only one axis, don't you?
   
Milan
   
   
Well, the exact command line was : g_bundle -f md.xtc -s md.tpr -z
 -n
bundle.ndx
As for analyzing one axis, yes, that is true, I am only interested
 in
analysing my helix principal axis.
I have tried using different group sizes for the index group. I
 have
tried using only carbon alpha for the first half and then for the
  second
half (each had 15 alpha carbons), then I tried with all sorts of
different groups, first five residues and last five residues,
 first
fifteen residues and so on.
All analysis came up with the same error.
   
 
  You're not setting the -na flag, which by default is zero.  In the
  code, if the
  value from -na (int n) is = 0, you get the fatal error.  Maybe the
  error
  message should be made more specific, so that users actually know
  what n is.
  You need to explicitly set a value for -na = 1.
 
  -Justin
 
 
  Right, thank you Justin, things worked out nicely now. I was able to
  calculatemy helix tilt with respect to the z axis. Would there be a way
  to calculate the tilt between two helix axes? I cannot simply calculate
  the tilt of each with respect to the z axis and subtract because the
  interhelical tilt does not depend only on the z axis. Can g_bundle give
  me that kind of information?
 

 It seems like it should:

 http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2007-October/030415.html

 There are other programs that calculate angles, like g_sgangle and g_angle,
 both
 of which could potentially be used to calculate what you want.

 -Justin

 I have tried using g_sgangle, but the problem is that it does not calculate
the principal axis of the helix. Since g_sgangle allows me to choose at
maximum 3 atoms per analysis, it is quite difficult to perform such an
analysis if one is to do this for 4 or five different systems and dimers.
So, in this case, since g_bundle asks me to select a group of top and a
group of bottom atoms, I would need to create an index group with my first
group (top) being the top residues of both my helices and the second group
being the bottom residues of my helices. Or would I create a first group for
my first helix and a second group for my second helix?
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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Re: Re: g_bundle problem

2010-03-24 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Stefan Hoorman wrote:

snip

I have tried using g_sgangle, but the problem is that it does not 
calculate the principal axis of the helix. Since g_sgangle allows me to 
choose at maximum 3 atoms per analysis, it is quite difficult to perform 
such an analysis if one is to do this for 4 or five different systems 
and dimers.
So, in this case, since g_bundle asks me to select a group of top and a 
group of bottom atoms, I would need to create an index group with my 
first group (top) being the top residues of both my helices and the 
second group being the bottom residues of my helices. Or would I create 


Per the documentation, that sounds right.

The program reads two index groups and divides both of them in -na parts. The
centers of mass of these parts define the tops and bottoms of the axes.

-Justin


a first group for my first helix and a second group for my second helix?




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[gmx-users] Semi-isotropic pressure coupling.

2010-03-24 Thread sapna sarupria
Hello all,

I have a simulation running for a hydrate (with CO2) and water in contact
with each other. I run the simulation at 280K at which the hydrate melts and
finally the system is just liquid water with CO2 in it. However, as the
simulation proceeds the box begins to expand in the z-direction and
decreases in the x-y direction considerably. Initially the box has
4.8x4.8x9.6 nm^3 dimension. After the hydrate melts (the volume fluctuates
more) and is fine for another 10 ns but after that the dimensions in the x-y
direction decrease to 2.5 nm and z-dimension increases to 35 nm. At this
point the simulation crashes since my cut-off distance are 1.2 nm.

I am using semi-isotropic pressure coupling but the pressure in the x-y
direction and z-direction are the same (=30.5 bar) and so is the
compressibility (=4.5e-5). I am using Parrinello-Rahman pressure coupling
and Nose-Hoover thermostat. The CO2 and water molecules are rigid and shake
is used to maintain their geometry. The simulation time step is 2 fs. Can
someone tell me why such a thing happens? I have pasted my mdp file for
completeness.

MDP File:
title   =  CO2 hydrate + water  ; a string
cpp =  /lib/cpp ; c-preprocessor
dt  =  0.002; time step
nsteps   =  2500; number of steps
nstcomm   =  10   ; reset c.o.m. motion
nstxout  =  2; write coords
nstvout  =  2; write velocities
nstlog=  25000; print to logfile
nstenergy  =  500   ; print energies
xtc_grps=  OW_HW1_HW2_CO2
nstxtcout   =  500
nstlist =  10   ; update pairlist
ns_type  =  grid ; pairlist method
coulombtype   =  PME
rvdw=  1.2  ; cut-off for vdw
rcoulomb =  1.2  ; cut-off for coulomb
rlist  =  1.2  ; cut-off for coulomb
DispCorr  =  EnerPres
Tcoupl  =  Nose-Hoover
ref_t =  300
tc-grps =  System
tau_t =  0.5
Pcoupl  =  Parrinello-Rahman
Pcoupltype   =  semiisotropic; pressure geometry
tau_p   =  1.0   1.0; p-coupoling time
compressibility =  4.5e-5  4.5e-5   ; compressibility
ref_p   =  30.5  30.5   ; ref pressure
gen_vel =  yes  ; generate initial vel
gen_temp=  200  ; initial temperature
gen_seed=  372340   ; random seed
constraint_algorithm = shake
constraints =  all-bonds



Thanks a lot
Sapna
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[gmx-users] Re: cutoff problem

2010-03-24 Thread Vitaly V. Chaban
 Hi,

 I want to test different values of cutoff for vdw. However, in the list 
 someone said cutoff = 0.9 for vdw was used for paramaterizing of Gromos 
 force field, other values would cause error, and also there was someone 
 saying that cutoff for vdw should be set to 1.4. Can someone make this 
 question clear? Thanks a lot.

The common rule for all FFs is to set the LJ-cutoff around
2.5*sigma(LJ12-6). In fact, you'll get about 0.9 nm for the most
objects. I see nothing terrible if you use, say, 1.4 nm just because
the difference will be negligible.  Just test it. :)

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[gmx-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: g_bundle problem

2010-03-24 Thread Stefan Hoorman

 Stefan Hoorman wrote:

 snip

  I have tried using g_sgangle, but the problem is that it does not
  calculate the principal axis of the helix. Since g_sgangle allows me to
  choose at maximum 3 atoms per analysis, it is quite difficult to perform
  such an analysis if one is to do this for 4 or five different systems
  and dimers.
  So, in this case, since g_bundle asks me to select a group of top and a
  group of bottom atoms, I would need to create an index group with my
  first group (top) being the top residues of both my helices and the
  second group being the bottom residues of my helices. Or would I create

 Per the documentation, that sounds right.

 The program reads two index groups and divides both of them in -na parts.
 The
 centers of mass of these parts define the tops and bottoms of the axes.

 -Justin

  a first group for my first helix and a second group for my second helix?
 


As I waited for the answer I ran some tests using: In a first analysis the
top residues for both helices in one group and the bottom residues of both
helices in another group and set the -na flag in g_bundle as 2.
In a second analysis I used in my first helix a the first group and the
second helix as the second group and set the -na flag as 4.
Both analysis were made using alpha carbons only.
I had already measured the interhelical tilt between these helices with
another program called qhelix. The problem is that it gives me loads of
problems with the sampling, since qhelix only measures each frame at a time
and I have to convert each frame into a pdb file (etc), but anyway, it gave
me interhelical tilt values that allowed me to see a trend there.
When I compared the results between both methods described above, the second
one gave similar results to the ones I got from qhelix.
I wrote this because maybe I understood wrong your last email, the phrase
Per the documentation, that sounds right. refered to the sentece above or
below your statement?
Thank you
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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: g_bundle problem

2010-03-24 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Stefan Hoorman wrote:



Stefan Hoorman wrote:

snip

  I have tried using g_sgangle, but the problem is that it does not
  calculate the principal axis of the helix. Since g_sgangle allows
me to
  choose at maximum 3 atoms per analysis, it is quite difficult to
perform
  such an analysis if one is to do this for 4 or five different systems
  and dimers.
  So, in this case, since g_bundle asks me to select a group of top
and a
  group of bottom atoms, I would need to create an index group with my
  first group (top) being the top residues of both my helices and the
  second group being the bottom residues of my helices. Or would I
create

Per the documentation, that sounds right.

The program reads two index groups and divides both of them in -na
parts. The
centers of mass of these parts define the tops and bottoms of the axes.

-Justin

  a first group for my first helix and a second group for my second
helix?
 


As I waited for the answer I ran some tests using: In a first analysis 
the top residues for both helices in one group and the bottom residues 
of both helices in another group and set the -na flag in g_bundle as 2.
In a second analysis I used in my first helix a the first group and the 
second helix as the second group and set the -na flag as 4.

Both analysis were made using alpha carbons only.
I had already measured the interhelical tilt between these helices with 
another program called qhelix. The problem is that it gives me loads of 
problems with the sampling, since qhelix only measures each frame at a 
time and I have to convert each frame into a pdb file (etc), but anyway, 
it gave me interhelical tilt values that allowed me to see a trend there.
When I compared the results between both methods described above, the 
second one gave similar results to the ones I got from qhelix.
I wrote this because maybe I understood wrong your last email, the 
phrase Per the documentation, that sounds right. refered to the 
sentece above or below your statement?

Thank you



Sorry, my embedded comment must not have been as clear as it looked in my head 
:)  The reference I made was to your first statement.  As worded, it appears 
that groups with residues defining top and bottom should be created, not 
differently helices independently.  If that does not gel with reality, then 
maybe the wording of the documentation is not quite right; otherwise you'll have 
to look into the code to see how it's doing the calculations.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Re: cutoff problem

2010-03-24 Thread XAvier Periole


On Mar 24, 2010, at 10:58 PM, Vitaly V. Chaban wrote:


Hi,

I want to test different values of cutoff for vdw. However, in the  
list someone said cutoff = 0.9 for vdw was used for paramaterizing  
of Gromos force field, other values would cause error, and also  
there was someone saying that cutoff for vdw should be set to 1.4.  
Can someone make this question clear? Thanks a lot.


The common rule for all FFs is to set the LJ-cutoff around
2.5*sigma(LJ12-6). In fact, you'll get about 0.9 nm for the most
objects. I see nothing terrible if you use, say, 1.4 nm just because
the difference will be negligible.

Where is that coming from? This is so wrong!

Just test it. :)

I've you ever tried that on a lipid bilayer?
Who could ever say (whatever force field) a vdW cutoff of 0.9/1.4 nm
is no difference?


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[gmx-users] CG Force and Potential through do_force()

2010-03-24 Thread Sikandar Mashayak
Hi

I want to do Coarse-Grained simulation in Gromacs. I have one CG force
formula, which I plan to implement by adding a short code in do_force()
routine in Gromacs 4.0.7 source code.

After browsing through the do_force() code, I am now familiar with data
structure relevant to add the new force. I mean, I can specify new force by
adding to f[indx][XX] and so on.

But I am not very sure about potential, whether do I have to explicitly
specify the potential on atoms due to this force or gromacs automatically
takes care of it by knowing the forces on each atoms?

thanks
sikandar
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[gmx-users] Hydrogen Bond Acceptor-Donor List

2010-03-24 Thread Anirban Ghosh
Hi ALL,

Is there any way in GROMACS to get the residue list (acceptor-donor list)
for an entire simulation? Using g_hbond we get the number of h-bonds at
every frames. But I want to get the list of residue pairs forming those
hbonds at every frame. Any suggestion is welcome.
Thanks a lot in advance.

Regards,

Anirban
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Re: [gmx-users] CG Force and Potential through do_force()

2010-03-24 Thread Sikandar Mashayak
well if I need to add it by myself, I am not very sure in what variable to
add it to. Like I said, I know to add the force on the atom i do
f[indxofatom][XX]= forcevalue, where to potential value due to this force?

thanks
sikandar

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.auwrote:

 On 25/03/2010 2:42 PM, Sikandar Mashayak wrote:

 Hi

 I want to do Coarse-Grained simulation in Gromacs. I have one CG force
 formula, which I plan to implement by adding a short code in do_force()
 routine in Gromacs 4.0.7 source code.

 After browsing through the do_force() code, I am now familiar with data
 structure relevant to add the new force. I mean, I can specify new force
 by adding to f[indx][XX] and so on.

 But I am not very sure about potential, whether do I have to explicitly
 specify the potential on atoms due to this force or gromacs
 automatically takes care of it by knowing the forces on each atoms?


 You will need to add that yourself if you want the reported potential to be
 accurate. GROMACS uses the given parameters in its inner loops to calculate
 energies and forces. The former are not reverse-engineered from the latter.
 If the potential is never used, however, then you can forget about it...

 Mark
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