Re: Re[4]: [gmx-users] Non-conservation of total energy while using structure file to resume the simulation

2010-06-09 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi Dmitri,

Try

editconf -f your_run_input_file.tpr -o test.gro

to see if the box is stored correctly in the .tpr. Alternatively, you
can do gmxdump -s your_run_input_file.tpr, and browse for the box in
the output. Then, see if you can reproduce the problem with the last
frame of the .trr file extracted, and consider submitting a bugzilla.

Cheers,

Tsjerk

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Dmitri Dubov  wrote:
> First, sorry for the revival of this thread so late (maybe it should be
> better to start a new one).
>
>> - Original Message -
>
>> From: Dmitri Dubov 
>
>> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010 19:11
>
>> Subject: Re[2]: [gmx-users] Non-conservation of total energy while
>
>> using structure file to resume the simulation
>
>> To: Discussion list for GROMACS users 
>
>>> > I expect that either
>
>>> > grompp -f new -o newtpr
>
>>> > mdrun -s newtpr -cpi old_state.cpt
>
>>> No, this way is unsuccessful, maybe due to somewhat contradictive
>>> instructions:
>
>>> grompp supplies newtpr with usual options
>
>>> tinit                    = 0
>
>>> nsteps                   = 10
>
>>> simulation_part          = 1
>
>>> and from old_state.cpt the system finds itself on 10th step already
>>> and stops.
>
>> OK. Presumably some more cunning choice of .mdp options would work,
>
>> or using grompp, tbconv -extend and then mdrun.
>
>>> > grompp -f new -t old_state.cpt -o newtpr
>
>>> > mdrun -s newtpr
>
>>> > will do what you want. Please report back if one or both work :-)
>
>>> And the latter variant is working! More precisely I use
>
>>> grompp -f new -t old_state.cpt -c oldtpr -o newtpr
>
>>> mdrun_d -s newtpr
>
>> Mark
>
> But I have noted just now that using grompp with -t option results in some
> bug: after simulation right size of my cubic box (last line of input
> structure file)
>
>   10.0  10.0  10.0
>
> changes in confout.gro to meaningless
>
>    0.0   0.0   0.0
>
> To analyse the output properly (e.g. with g_rdf tool) I have to correct this
> line manually.
>
> And I'm worried whether this bug effects to my simulation itself, during md
> integration of NVE ensemble in vacuum?
>
> --
>
> Rerards,
>
>  Dmitri                          mailto:ddu...@ngs.ru
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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Simulation with CsCl

2010-06-09 Thread sonali dhindwal
Hello All ,

I am also trying to simulate my protein with Mn ion present in it.
So can I create the topology entry for Mn ion similar  to MG2+ ion ? and how 
can I get the values of C6 and C12 leonard jones potential in [atom type] entry 
and will it be required to add [nonbond_params] also ? how can I get them ?

Also I want to use Fe2+ also, but it  is also not included in gromos force 
field. This problem of adding other ions and molecule in the system always 
remains. And being new to this field, can someone suggest in simple terms how 
to include these  considering the person is not an expert in this field.
Please help.

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--- On Tue, 8/6/10, Vitaly Chaban  wrote:

From: Vitaly Chaban 
Subject: [gmx-users] Re: Simulation with CsCl
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Date: Tuesday, 8 June, 2010, 9:03 PM

> Hi all:
> I am trying to simulate a polysaccharide in solution of water and CsCl, but
> cesium is not parametrized in the gromacs 4. I am using the force
> field GROMOS 96.
> I have looked for the parameters of Cs+ in the OPLS Force field and I have
> created 4 files: Cs.atp, Cs.itp, Csnb.itp and Cs.rtp.  Also I have include
> the parameters for Cs+ in the "ions.itp" file, but it didn't work, Can
> someone help me?
> Thanks in advance.
> Cecilia.

Cecilia -

You do not need so many files so cesium. Just copy your parameters to
the force field used and create the topology entry for cesium similar
to

[ moleculetype ]
Ar         1

[ atoms ]
1   Ar    1    Ar      Ar    0  0.0

Do not forget, cesium+ is an ion...

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[gmx-users] tracking the time for an md run

2010-06-09 Thread Rabab Toubar
Hi,

Can anyone let me know how to know how long the md run would take, or how long 
is left. I tried tailing it, but couldn't find a time factor there

Thanks
Rabab



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Re[6]: [gmx-users] Non-conservation of total energy while using structure file to resume the simulation

2010-06-09 Thread Dmitri Dubov
Hi, Tsjerk.

Thanks for your help.

> Try

> editconf -f your_run_input_file.tpr -o test.gro

> to see if the box is stored correctly in the .tpr. Alternatively, you
> can do gmxdump -s your_run_input_file.tpr, and browse for the box in
> the output. 
Yea, both tests show "zero" box right in .tpr file!

> Then, see if you can reproduce the problem with the last
> frame of the .trr file extracted, 
I'm afraid I cannot do it quickly... 
For the future: I used double-precision mode, 
how much should be the precision (-ndec) of the extracted frame? 

> and consider submitting a bugzilla.
Sure. 

> Cheers,

> Tsjerk

> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Dmitri Dubov  wrote:
>> First, sorry for the revival of this thread so late (maybe it should be
>> better to start a new one).

>>> - Original Message -

>>> From: Dmitri Dubov 

>>> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010 19:11

>>> Subject: Re[2]: [gmx-users] Non-conservation of total energy while

>>> using structure file to resume the simulation

>>> To: Discussion list for GROMACS users 

 > I expect that either

 > grompp -f new -o newtpr

 > mdrun -s newtpr -cpi old_state.cpt

 No, this way is unsuccessful, maybe due to somewhat contradictive
 instructions:

 grompp supplies newtpr with usual options

 tinit= 0

 nsteps   = 10

 simulation_part  = 1

 and from old_state.cpt the system finds itself on 10th step already
 and stops.

>>> OK. Presumably some more cunning choice of .mdp options would work,

>>> or using grompp, tbconv -extend and then mdrun.

 > grompp -f new -t old_state.cpt -o newtpr

 > mdrun -s newtpr

 > will do what you want. Please report back if one or both work :-)

 And the latter variant is working! More precisely I use

 grompp -f new -t old_state.cpt -c oldtpr -o newtpr

 mdrun_d -s newtpr

>>> Mark

>> But I have noted just now that using grompp with -t option results in some
>> bug: after simulation right size of my cubic box (last line of input
>> structure file)

>>   10.0  10.0  10.0

>> changes in confout.gro to meaningless

>>0.0   0.0   0.0

>> To analyse the output properly (e.g. with g_rdf tool) I have to correct this
>> line manually.

>> And I'm worried whether this bug effects to my simulation itself, during md
>> integration of NVE ensemble in vacuum?

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[gmx-users] field-specified name for sulfate

2010-06-09 Thread shiva birgani
Hi All

I am trying to add sodium sulfate to the system but I receive this fetal
error
Fatal error: No such moleculetype SO4

Could anybody tell me what is the force field-specified name of sulfate ion
in OPLS-AA/L all-atom force field?

regards,

Shiva
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Re: [gmx-users] tracking the time for an md run

2010-06-09 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Rabab Toubar wrote:

Hi,

Can anyone let me know how to know how long the md run would take, or 
how long is left. I tried tailing it, but couldn't find a time factor there




If you use mdrun -v, it will print a completion estimate as it goes along.

-Justin


Thanks
Rabab




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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Simulation with CsCl

2010-06-09 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



sonali dhindwal wrote:

Hello All ,
I am also trying to simulate my protein with Mn ion present in it.
So can I create the topology entry for Mn ion similar  to MG2+ ion ? and 
how can I get the values of C6 and C12 leonard jones potential in [atom 
type] entry and will it be required to add [nonbond_params] also ? how 
can I get them ?


Also I want to use Fe2+ also, but it  is also not included in gromos 
force field. This problem of adding other ions and molecule in the 
system always remains. And being new to this field, can someone suggest 
in simple terms how to include these considering the person is not an 
expert in this field.


Please consult the link I posted yesterday...

http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Parameterization

What you're trying to do is far from trivial.  Understand that parameterization, 
especially for transition metals, is very challenging, and standard molecular 
mechanics treatment of such species suffers from many limitations, which may or 
may not influence your results.


-Justin


Please help.

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--- On *Tue, 8/6/10, Vitaly Chaban //* wrote:


From: Vitaly Chaban 
Subject: [gmx-users] Re: Simulation with CsCl
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Date: Tuesday, 8 June, 2010, 9:03 PM

 > Hi all:
 > I am trying to simulate a polysaccharide in solution of water and
CsCl, but
 > cesium is not parametrized in the gromacs 4. I am using the force
 > field GROMOS 96.
 > I have looked for the parameters of Cs+ in the OPLS Force field
and I have
 > created 4 files: Cs.atp, Cs.itp, Csnb.itp and Cs.rtp. Also I have
include
 > the parameters for Cs+ in the "ions.itp" file, but it didn't
work, Can
 > someone help me?
 > Thanks in advance.
 > Cecilia.

Cecilia -

You do not need so many files so cesium. Just copy your parameters to
the force field used and create the topology entry for cesium similar
to

[ moleculetype ]
Ar 1

[ atoms ]
1   Ar1Ar  Ar0  0.0

Do not forget, cesium+ is an ion...

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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Simulation with CsCl

2010-06-09 Thread Ran Friedman
Dear Sonali,

Unfortunately development of force-field parameters is difficult, and
even more so for bivalent ions and transition metals. This is certainly
not suitable as a project to begin with.

Having said that, a careful search in the literature will reveal that
many sets of parameters for metal ions do exist. Try to find a set that
works best with the water model that you're using or your particular
model, and carry out some simulations to validate that the results are
correct, reproducible and robust. The following references discuss some
aspects of simulations of ions and proteins:

@article{Project2006,
   Author = {Project, E. and Friedman, R. and Nachliel, E. and Gutman, M.},
   Title = {A Molecular Dynamics Study of the Effect of Ca{2+} Removal
on Calmodulin Structure},
   Journal = {Biophys. J.},
   Volume= {90},
   Pages = {3842-3850},
   Year = {2006}
}


@Article{Fyta2010,
author = "Fyta, M and Kalcher, I and Dzubiella, J and Vrbka, L and Netz,
R R",
title = {Ionic force field optimization based on single-ion and ion-pair
solvation properties},
journal = "J Chem Phys",
year = "2010",
volume = "132",
pages = "024911-024911"
}

Ran.

sonali dhindwal wrote:
> Hello All ,
> I am also trying to simulate my protein with Mn ion present in it.
> So can I create the topology entry for Mn ion similar  to MG2+ ion ?
> and how can I get the values of C6 and C12 leonard jones potential in
> [atom type] entry and will it be required to add [nonbond_params] also
> ? how can I get them ?
>
> Also I want to use Fe2+ also, but it  is also not included in gromos
> force field. This problem of adding other ions and molecule in the
> system always remains. And being new to this field, can someone
> suggest in simple terms how to include these considering the person is
> not an expert in this field.
> Please help.
>
> --
> Sonali Dhindwal
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 8/6/10, Vitaly Chaban //* wrote:
>
>
> From: Vitaly Chaban 
> Subject: [gmx-users] Re: Simulation with CsCl
> To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
> Date: Tuesday, 8 June, 2010, 9:03 PM
>
> > Hi all:
> > I am trying to simulate a polysaccharide in solution of water
> and CsCl, but
> > cesium is not parametrized in the gromacs 4. I am using the force
> > field GROMOS 96.
> > I have looked for the parameters of Cs+ in the OPLS Force field
> and I have
> > created 4 files: Cs.atp, Cs.itp, Csnb.itp and Cs.rtp. Also I
> have include
> > the parameters for Cs+ in the "ions.itp" file, but it didn't
> work, Can
> > someone help me?
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Cecilia.
>
> Cecilia -
>
> You do not need so many files so cesium. Just copy your parameters to
> the force field used and create the topology entry for cesium similar
> to
>
> [ moleculetype ]
> Ar 1
>
> [ atoms ]
> 1   Ar1Ar  Ar0  0.0
>
> Do not forget, cesium+ is an ion...
>
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Re: [gmx-users] field-specified name for sulfate

2010-06-09 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



shiva birgani wrote:

Hi All

I am trying to add sodium sulfate to the system but I receive this fetal 
error



Fatal error: No such moleculetype SO4

Could anybody tell me what is the force field-specified name of sulfate 
ion in OPLS-AA/L all-atom force field?




Rather than implicating nomenclature as the problem, most likely your topology 
itself is to blame:


http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Errors#Fatal_error.3a_No_such_moleculetype_XXX

-Justin


regards,

Shiva



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[gmx-users] converting amber parameter to OPLS

2010-06-09 Thread BIN ZHANG

Dear all:

I'm considering to convert the ATP/ADP parameters from amber (http://www.pharmacy.manchester.ac.uk/bryce/amber 
) into OPLS format. My question is, have you guys done similar things?  
If so, can you give me some information on what kind of thing I should  
be aware of? Like the scaling factor (fudgeQQ) in OPLS and so on?


Thank you very much,
Bin

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[gmx-users] g_dipoles, average not the same as from g_analyze

2010-06-09 Thread Emanuel Peter
Dear gromacs users,

I have following question:

With the use of the g_dipoles tool I have analysed the average dipole moment 
using following command:

g_dipoles -f *.trr -s *.tpr -n *.ndx -av average.xvg 

I think the option -av calculates the average of the dipole moment of the 
system I have chosen.

Following output is given:

x1 = time (ps)
y1 = 
y2 = ^2
y3 =  - ^2
...

I have taken the root of y2 (y2^(1/2)) to get  and plotted that against x1.

Mtot.xvg corresponds to the following quantities:

x1 = time (ps)

y1 = M_x
y2 = M_y
y3 = M_z
y4 = M_tot

I plotted M_tot against time and calculated the average by using g_analyze.
Now I have following problem:
My average value from g_analyze is not equal to the value of  which I received 
from g_dipoles.
The difference between the two values is at about 20 Debye. 
Could you tell me the reason why there exists a difference?
Does g_dipoles calculate the average in another way than g_analyze?

Thank you for your kind answer in advance.

Best regards,

Emanuel Peter


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[gmx-users] g_dipoles, average not the same as from g_analyze

2010-06-09 Thread Emanuel Peter
Dear gromacs users,

Sorry but my last email was not correct. 
I have following question:

With the use of the g_dipoles tool I have analysed the average dipole moment 
using following command:

g_dipoles -f *.trr -s *.tpr -n *.ndx -av average.xvg 

I think the option -av calculates the average of the dipole moment of the 
system I have chosen.

Following output is given:

x1 = time (ps)
y1 = aver1
y2 = aver2**2
y3 = aver1 - aver2**2
...

I have taken the root of aver2 (y2^(1/2)) to get  and plotted that against x1.

Mtot.xvg corresponds to the following quantities:

x1 = time (ps)

y1 = M_x
y2 = M_y
y3 = M_z
y4 = M_tot

I plotted M_tot against time and calculated the average by using g_analyze.
Now I have following problem:
My average value from g_analyze is not equal to the value of  which I received 
from g_dipoles.
The difference between the two values is at about 20 Debye. 
Could you tell me the reason why there exists a difference?
Does g_dipoles calculate the average in another way than g_analyze?

Thank you for your kind answer in advance.

Best regards,

Emanuel Peter


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[gmx-users] structure file long chains

2010-06-09 Thread Moeed
I dont know if the hdb file is correct. Actually I want to learn how it
works.

1- Manual says the third columns are name of new H atoms (here, H1, H2). why
are they not the same as those in rtp file (H11, H12). There is no H1 and H2
in rtp file (
http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2009-March/040125.html
)

Also the control atoms: for example for the frist row in Eth:

H1  C1  C2  -C2

This means H1 is connected to C1. In manual I read the other two depend on
the code selected. Can you please explain what is the logic behind the other
two atoms (C2 and -C2 in the forst row for example)

Eth 2
2   6   H1  C1  C2  -C2
2   6   H2  C2  C1  +C1
EthB2
3   4   H1  C1  C2  +C1
2   6   H2  C2  C1  +C1
EthE2
2   6   H1  C1  C2  -C2
3   4   H2  C2  C1  -C2 

2- If I want to use these residues (Eth, EthB..) then I do not need to
include H atoms in my pdb file? The reason I am asking this, is because if I
make a long chain using any software, I see H atoms in pdb file. and the
reason I am inclined to use these residues is that they are easier to work
with...

ATOM  1  C1  EthB1   1.000   1.540   0.000
ATOM  2  C2  EthB1   2.456   2.041   0.000
ATOM  3  C1  Eth 2   2.456   3.581   0.000
ATOM  4  C2  Eth 2   3.912   4.083   0.000
ATOM  5  C1  EthE3   3.912   5.623   0.000
ATOM  6  C2  EthE3   5.368   6.124   0.000


3- since I will have to work with very long polymer chains (1000 monomer
units) what is the best approach or software to make such a chain. Some of
the softwares do not do atmo numbering properly (or lack residues names) and
I have to make a a lot of changes manually which is a nightmare for big
chains.

Thanks,
Moeed
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Re: [gmx-users] structure file long chains

2010-06-09 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Moeed wrote:


I dont know if the hdb file is correct. Actually I want to learn how it 
works.




The .hdb file works.  I've used it :)  Did you try it yourself with the examples 
posted?


1- Manual says the third columns are name of new H atoms (here, H1, H2). 
why are they not the same as those in rtp file (H11, H12). There is no 
H1 and H2 in rtp file 
(http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2009-March/040125.html

)



H1 and H2 are the base names.  Since 2 of each are added, 1 and 2 get appended 
to these names -> H11, H12, H21, and H22.



Also the control atoms: for example for the frist row in Eth:

H1  C1  C2  -C2

This means H1 is connected to C1. In manual I read the other two depend 
on the code selected. Can you please explain what is the logic behind 
the other two atoms (C2 and -C2 in the forst row for example)




Look at the amino acids for examples.  The +/- convention means "previous" and 
"next" residue, respectively (like a peptide backbone).



Eth 2

2   6   H1  C1  C2  -C2
2   6   H2  C2  C1  +C1
EthB2
3   4   H1  C1  C2  +C1
2   6   H2  C2  C1  +C1
EthE2
2   6   H1  C1  C2  -C2
3   4   H2  C2  C1  -C2 

2- If I want to use these residues (Eth, EthB..) then I do not need to 
include H atoms in my pdb file? The reason I am asking this, is because 


Correct.  That's the purpose of the .hdb file.

if I make a long chain using any software, I see H atoms in pdb file. 
and the reason I am inclined to use these residues is that they are 
easier to work with...




It's up to you what you use.  If you can produce an all-atom structure, then you 
don't need to rely on the .hdb file to add hydrogens for you.  If you generate 
only C atoms, then the .hdb file will add the necessary hydrogens.



ATOM  1  C1  EthB1   1.000   1.540   0.000
ATOM  2  C2  EthB1   2.456   2.041   0.000
ATOM  3  C1  Eth 2   2.456   3.581   0.000
ATOM  4  C2  Eth 2   3.912   4.083   0.000

ATOM  5  C1  EthE3   3.912   5.623   0.000
ATOM  6  C2  EthE3   5.368   6.124   0.000


3- since I will have to work with very long polymer chains (1000 monomer 
units) what is the best approach or software to make such a chain. Some 
of the softwares do not do atmo numbering properly (or lack residues 
names) and I have to make a a lot of changes manually which is a 
nightmare for big chains.




I don't have any suggestions beyond the link I posted already.  Maybe someone 
who routinely deals with polymers can comment on this one.


-Justin


Thanks,
Moeed



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Re: [gmx-users] g_dipoles, average not the same as from g_analyze

2010-06-09 Thread Dmitri Dubov
Dear Emanuel,

Please, check 
http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2010-March/049316.html
and Berk reply.

I did never use -av (-a ?) option, maybe there is similar bug in average.xvg. 
Anyway last column of Mtot.xvg gives really correct norm of M_tot vector!

Regards,
 Dmitri   

-
> Dear gromacs users,

> Sorry but my last email was not correct. 
> I have following question:

> With the use of the g_dipoles tool I have analysed the average
> dipole moment using following command:

> g_dipoles -f *.trr -s *.tpr -n *.ndx -av average.xvg 

> I think the option -av calculates the average of the dipole moment of the 
> system I have chosen.

> Following output is given:

> x1 = time (ps)
> y1 = aver1
> y2 = aver2**2
> y3 = aver1 - aver2**2
> ...

> I have taken the root of aver2 (y2^(1/2)) to get  and plotted that against x1.

> Mtot.xvg corresponds to the following quantities:

> x1 = time (ps)

> y1 = M_x
> y2 = M_y
> y3 = M_z
> y4 = M_tot

> I plotted M_tot against time and calculated the average by using g_analyze.
> Now I have following problem:
> My average value from g_analyze is not equal to the value of  which I 
> received from g_dipoles.
> The difference between the two values is at about 20 Debye. 
> Could you tell me the reason why there exists a difference?
> Does g_dipoles calculate the average in another way than g_analyze?

> Thank you for your kind answer in advance.

> Best regards,

> Emanuel Peter-- 
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[gmx-users] angle restraints

2010-06-09 Thread subarna thakur
hello
I want to add angle restraints in my itp file for a ligand. what is the proper 
way of inserting angle restraint in .itp file ? Is there any keywords I have to 
add to my .mdp file for angle restraints? I have searched the mail archieve, 
I found many things about adding dihedral angle restraints but I couldnot find 
anything about adding angle restrains. Please advice.
 Subarna Thakur


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