RE: [gmx-users] FEP with real or dummy charges?

2007-05-23 Thread Georgios Patargias
Thanks again for the reply. A virtual point charge 
is what I want. 

Best wishes 
George



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No.
I said, you may want to perturb all partial charges in the site, where 
the netto +1 charge sits OR place a virtual site somewhere in between, 
to grow a point charge, whereas I'm not sure, if a point charge is, what 
you want.

Regards

Maik Goette, Dipl. Biol.
Max Planck Institute for Biophysical Chemistry
Theoretical  computational biophysics department
Am Fassberg 11
37077 Goettingen
Germany
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Georgios Patargias wrote:
 Many thanks for your reply! Concerning the use of PME, I 
 also put a counter charge in bulk in order to keep the whole 
 cell neutral.
 
 So, if I understood corectly, you suggest that I should perturb
 all the partial charges around the vitual site? 
 
 George
 
 
 
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Maik Goette
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 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] FEP with real or dummy charges?
  
 I don't really know, if this may solve your problem, but what I want to 
 suggest is, not using PME for the simulation. I don't know, how other 
 longerange-methods behave while changing the total charge of the system, 
 PME won't work (as far, as I know).
 
 Concerning your way, how to perturb the charge, it depends on, where you 
 think the charge sits...In general, I would assume, that a site, where a 
 netto charge is 0 and the same, where the netto charge is one, will be 
 different in partial charges of most atoms in the area. Therefore 
 perturbing the whole site (just the partial charges) would be the right 
 way to do it. This in fact means, that you have the partial charges for 
 the +1-charge atoms...maybe spreading the charge in a senseful way, 
 should do it.
 
 Using a virtual site would be the solution for a point charge in space, 
 its coordinates relative to two or more atoms.
 
 If you want to have the charge sitting on a special atom, just change 
 that charge explicitly, although I'm really not sure, if that's the way, 
 one should go.
 
 Hope you get some help from that.
 
 Regards
 
 Maik Goette, Dipl. Biol.
 Max Planck Institute for Biophysical Chemistry
 Theoretical  computational biophysics department
 Am Fassberg 11
 37077 Goettingen
 Germany
 Tel.  : ++49 551 201 2310
 Fax   : ++49 551 201 2302
 Email : mgoette[at]mpi-bpc.mpg.de
  mgoette2[at]gwdg.de
 WWW   : http://www.mpibpc.gwdg.de/groups/grubmueller/
 
 
 Georgios Patargias wrote:
 Hi 

 I want to calculate the change in free energy (electrostatic contribution 
 only)
 when introducing a charge in a certain site of a protein using a single step 
 FEP. 

 Should this be done with charging an inserted virtual site (a dummy atom) or 
 a 
 protein atom (e.g. Ca)?  

 I noticed that in the case of the dummy atom, the Coul-14:Protein-vsite 
 zero. I am 
 not sure why though...

 Thanks a lot in advance for any feedback.

 Best wishes 
 George

 Dr. George Patargias
 Polymer IRC Group
 University of Leeds
 Leeds, LS2 9JT, UK

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Re: [gmx-users] FEP with real or dummy charges?

2007-05-19 Thread Maik Goette
I don't really know, if this may solve your problem, but what I want to 
suggest is, not using PME for the simulation. I don't know, how other 
longerange-methods behave while changing the total charge of the system, 
PME won't work (as far, as I know).


Concerning your way, how to perturb the charge, it depends on, where you 
think the charge sits...In general, I would assume, that a site, where a 
netto charge is 0 and the same, where the netto charge is one, will be 
different in partial charges of most atoms in the area. Therefore 
perturbing the whole site (just the partial charges) would be the right 
way to do it. This in fact means, that you have the partial charges for 
the +1-charge atoms...maybe spreading the charge in a senseful way, 
should do it.


Using a virtual site would be the solution for a point charge in space, 
its coordinates relative to two or more atoms.


If you want to have the charge sitting on a special atom, just change 
that charge explicitly, although I'm really not sure, if that's the way, 
one should go.


Hope you get some help from that.

Regards

Maik Goette, Dipl. Biol.
Max Planck Institute for Biophysical Chemistry
Theoretical  computational biophysics department
Am Fassberg 11
37077 Goettingen
Germany
Tel.  : ++49 551 201 2310
Fax   : ++49 551 201 2302
Email : mgoette[at]mpi-bpc.mpg.de
mgoette2[at]gwdg.de
WWW   : http://www.mpibpc.gwdg.de/groups/grubmueller/


Georgios Patargias wrote:
Hi 


I want to calculate the change in free energy (electrostatic contribution only)
when introducing a charge in a certain site of a protein using a single step 
FEP. 

Should this be done with charging an inserted virtual site (a dummy atom) or a 
protein atom (e.g. Ca)?  

I noticed that in the case of the dummy atom, the Coul-14:Protein-vsite zero. I am 
not sure why though...


Thanks a lot in advance for any feedback.

Best wishes 
George


Dr. George Patargias
Polymer IRC Group
University of Leeds
Leeds, LS2 9JT, UK

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[gmx-users] FEP with real or dummy charges?

2007-05-17 Thread Georgios Patargias
Hi 

I want to calculate the change in free energy (electrostatic contribution only)
when introducing a charge in a certain site of a protein using a single step 
FEP. 

Should this be done with charging an inserted virtual site (a dummy atom) or a 
protein atom (e.g. Ca)?  

I noticed that in the case of the dummy atom, the Coul-14:Protein-vsite zero. I 
am 
not sure why though...

Thanks a lot in advance for any feedback.

Best wishes 
George

Dr. George Patargias
Polymer IRC Group
University of Leeds
Leeds, LS2 9JT, UK

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