[gmx-users] LINCS warning on galactose molecule

2011-03-23 Thread Anna Marabotti
Dear gmx-users,
I'm experimenting a LINCS warning on my system, an enzyme with ATP,
galactose and Mg. We started from the crystallographic structure, made some
accommodation on the topology of the sugar in order to check for partial
charges (according to Justin Lemkul's suggestions on PRODRG server), then
performed a minimization, NVT and NPT PR-MD and the production MD. After
about 5 ns of simulation the MD stopped with the LINCS error:
 
Step 2562553, time 5125.11 (ps) LINCS WARNING

relative constraint deviation after LINCS:

rms 0.000102, max 0.001903 (between atoms 7643 and 7642)

bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:

atom 1 atom 2 angle previous, current, constraint length

7641 7640 45.3 0.1000 0.1000 0.1000

Step 2562554, time 5125.11 (ps) LINCS WARNING

relative constraint deviation after LINCS:

rms 0.000104, max 0.001558 (between atoms 7643 and 7642)

bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:

atom 1 atom 2 angle previous, current, constraint length

7641 7640 36.5 0.1000 0.1000 0.1000

Step 2562565, time 5125.13 (ps) LINCS WARNING

relative constraint deviation after LINCS:

rms 0.000318, max 0.007712 (between atoms 7641 and 7640)

bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:

atom 1 atom 2 angle previous, current, constraint length

7641 7640 31.5 0.1005 0.1008 0.1000

Step 2562566, time 5125.13 (ps) LINCS WARNING

relative constraint deviation after LINCS:

rms 0.000374, max 0.009231 (between atoms 7641 and 7640)

bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:

atom 1 atom 2 angle previous, current, constraint length

7641 7640 38.2 0.1008 0.1009 0.1000

Step 2562567, time 5125.13 (ps) LINCS WARNING

relative constraint deviation after LINCS:

rms 0.000310, max 0.007658 (between atoms 7641 and 7640)

bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:

atom 1 atom 2 angle previous, current, constraint length

7641 7640 38.6 0.1009 0.1008 0.1000



Step 2563563, time 5127.13 (ps) LINCS WARNING

relative constraint deviation after LINCS:

rms 0.70, max 0.001640 (between atoms 7641 and 7640)

bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:

atom 1 atom 2 angle previous, current, constraint length

7641 7640 57.0 0.0998 0.1002 0.1000

---

Program mdrun, VERSION 4.0.3

Source code file: constr.c, line: 136

Fatal error:

Too many LINCS warnings (1000)

If you know what you are doing you can adjust the lincs warning threshold in
your mdp file

or set the environment variable GMX_MAXCONSTRWARN to -1,

but normally it is better to fix the problem

---

We checked the system to find the problem. The atoms 7641 and 7640
correspond to atom O1 and H12 of the galactose. With VMD we visualized the
trajectory, but we did not see anything anomalous on this bond. Length and
angles are quite normal. This OH group is near the phosphate of ATP but the
distances seem to be compatible with an (expected) H-bond. I don't think the
problem could be an incorrect stabilization because it seems to me that in
that case the problem would have appear during the first step of MD, not
after 5 ns. In any case, stabilization went correctly, with no errors or
warnings. I checked on the gmx-users list and found some messages of Xavier
Periole experimenting some LINCS problems with gmx 4.0.4, that seems to
resemble my situation. I followed the thread, but I did not see anything
that could be of help for me. Some hypotheses were about the gmx version
(mine is 4.0.3), communications between CPUs, virtual sites. Looking at the
trajectory, I don't think it's a problem of periodic images too close. The
thread stops with Xavier saying he would like to test the effects of using
-rdd and -rcon on LINCS warning, but I did not find the rest of the history.

 
Does anybody (and especially Xavier, if possible!) have some hints about my
problem? Or could it be a problem of galactose topology?
 
Thank you very much and best regards
Anna 
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Re: [gmx-users] LINCS warning on galactose molecule

2011-03-23 Thread Mark Abraham

On 23/03/2011 9:45 PM, Anna Marabotti wrote:

Dear gmx-users,
I'm experimenting a LINCS warning on my system, an enzyme with ATP, 
galactose and Mg. We started from the crystallographic structure, made 
some accommodation on the topology of the sugar in order to check for 
partial charges (according to Justin Lemkul's suggestions on PRODRG 
server), then performed a minimization, NVT and NPT PR-MD and the 
production MD. After about 5 ns of simulation the MD stopped with the 
LINCS error:


Step 2562553, time 5125.11 (ps) LINCS WARNING

relative constraint deviation after LINCS:

rms 0.000102, max 0.001903 (between atoms 7643 and 7642)

bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:

atom 1 atom 2 angle previous, current, constraint length

7641 7640 45.3 0.1000 0.1000 0.1000

Step 2562554, time 5125.11 (ps) LINCS WARNING

relative constraint deviation after LINCS:

rms 0.000104, max 0.001558 (between atoms 7643 and 7642)

bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:

atom 1 atom 2 angle previous, current, constraint length

7641 7640 36.5 0.1000 0.1000 0.1000

Step 2562565, time 5125.13 (ps) LINCS WARNING

relative constraint deviation after LINCS:

rms 0.000318, max 0.007712 (between atoms 7641 and 7640)

bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:

atom 1 atom 2 angle previous, current, constraint length

7641 7640 31.5 0.1005 0.1008 0.1000

Step 2562566, time 5125.13 (ps) LINCS WARNING

relative constraint deviation after LINCS:

rms 0.000374, max 0.009231 (between atoms 7641 and 7640)

bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:

atom 1 atom 2 angle previous, current, constraint length

7641 7640 38.2 0.1008 0.1009 0.1000

Step 2562567, time 5125.13 (ps) LINCS WARNING

relative constraint deviation after LINCS:

rms 0.000310, max 0.007658 (between atoms 7641 and 7640)

bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:

atom 1 atom 2 angle previous, current, constraint length

7641 7640 38.6 0.1009 0.1008 0.1000



Step 2563563, time 5127.13 (ps) LINCS WARNING

relative constraint deviation after LINCS:

rms 0.70, max 0.001640 (between atoms 7641 and 7640)

bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:

atom 1 atom 2 angle previous, current, constraint length

7641 7640 57.0 0.0998 0.1002 0.1000

---

Program mdrun, VERSION 4.0.3

Source code file: constr.c, line: 136

Fatal error:

Too many LINCS warnings (1000)

If you know what you are doing you can adjust the lincs warning 
threshold in your mdp file


or set the environment variable GMX_MAXCONSTRWARN to -1,

but normally it is better to fix the problem

---

We checked the system to find the problem. The atoms 7641 and 7640 
correspond to atom O1 and H12 of the galactose. With VMD we visualized 
the trajectory, but we did not see anything anomalous on this bond. 
Length and angles are quite normal. This OH group is near the 
phosphate of ATP but the distances seem to be compatible with an 
(expected) H-bond. I don't think the problem could be an incorrect 
stabilization because it seems to me that in that case the problem 
would have appear during the first step of MD, not after 5 ns. In any 
case, stabilization went correctly, with no errors or warnings. I 
checked on the gmx-users list and found some messages of Xavier 
Periole experimenting some LINCS problems with gmx 4.0.4, that seems 
to resemble my situation. I followed the thread, but I did not see 
anything that could be of help for me. Some hypotheses were about the 
gmx version (mine is 4.0.3), communications between CPUs, virtual 
sites. Looking at the trajectory, I don't think it's a problem of 
periodic images too close. The thread stops with Xavier saying he 
would like to test the effects of using -rdd and -rcon on LINCS 
warning, but I did not find the rest of the history.
Does anybody (and especially Xavier, if possible!) have some hints 
about my problem? Or could it be a problem of galactose topology?


Usually the problem has nothing to do with LINCS or -rdd or -con - 
they're just symptoms of machinery that breaks first.


I'd start by assuming my topologies were not well-formed somehow, and 
divide and conquer to locate the problem. Can you simulate galactose in 
vacuo? In a small water box? Same for ATP. Same for enzyme.


Mark
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