Re: [gmx-users] compatibility of MOPAC charges with GROMACS ?

2007-05-17 Thread Marc F. Lensink
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 05:16:49PM -0700, David Mobley wrote:
 So what you really need to do, once you have worked out which forcfield
 you are going to use, go back to the documentation / papers for that
 particular forcefield, see how they generated the parameters, then use
 that same procedure for the new parameters / molecules you want to
 generated.
 
 Strangely enough, I recall writing almost exactly the same thing in
 response to a different user yesterday or the day before.
 
 It will sure be nice when the Wiki is working, then we only have to
 answer this once.

..and RTFW will replace RTFM..

marc
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[gmx-users] compatibility of MOPAC charges with GROMACS ?

2007-05-16 Thread Daniel Rigden
Dear all

I'm trying to assemble a topology entry for S-nitrosocysteine.
Searching through the examples in the PDB revealed quite a spread of
bond lengths and angles - the N=O bond ranges from 1.2 to 1.47A, for
example.

To get more rigorously derived figures, and to calculate charges, I
thought of using MOPAC
http://www.openmopac.net/index.html
I imagine that the bond lengths and angles from MOPAC will be reliable.
My question is really how compatible the charges are with the GROMACS
topologies?  Would you have any qualms about mixing and matching?
Surely MOPAC's estimates must be better than human guesstimates or,
despite its general wonderful usefulness, PRODRG's estimates?  Are there
other programs for this?

Any thoughts welcome

Regards

Daniel

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RE: [gmx-users] compatibility of MOPAC charges with GROMACS ?

2007-05-16 Thread Dallas B. Warren
 To get more rigorously derived figures, and to calculate 
 charges, I thought of using MOPAC http://www.openmopac.net/index.html
 I imagine that the bond lengths and angles from MOPAC will be 
 reliable. My question is really how compatible the charges 
 are with the GROMACS topologies?  Would you have any qualms 
 about mixing and matching? Surely MOPAC's estimates must be 
 better than human guesstimates or, despite its general 
 wonderful usefulness, PRODRG's estimates?  Are there other 
 programs for this?

What it comes back to is how the forcefield you are using is
constructed.  It will have been done using a particular procedure for
generating the partial charges, L-J interactions, bonding etc to fit
some particular parameters.  If you use a different procedure to
generate yours and try to mix it with the forcefield, then there is an
extremely good chance you will get out garbage.

So what you really need to do, once you have worked out which forcfield
you are going to use, go back to the documentation / papers for that
particular forcefield, see how they generated the parameters, then use
that same procedure for the new parameters / molecules you want to
generated.

Catch ya,

Dr. Dallas Warren
Lecturer
Department of Pharmaceutical Biology and Pharmacology
Victorian College of Pharmacy, Monash University
381 Royal Parade, Parkville VIC 3010
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
+61 3 9903 9524
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a nail.
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Re: [gmx-users] compatibility of MOPAC charges with GROMACS ?

2007-05-16 Thread David Mobley

So what you really need to do, once you have worked out which forcfield
you are going to use, go back to the documentation / papers for that
particular forcefield, see how they generated the parameters, then use
that same procedure for the new parameters / molecules you want to
generated.


Strangely enough, I recall writing almost exactly the same thing in
response to a different user yesterday or the day before.

It will sure be nice when the Wiki is working, then we only have to
answer this once.

David
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