Re: [gmx-users] missing of methyl at N-terminal

2008-11-10 Thread Mitchell Stanton-Cook
I have had trouble capping N- and C- terminal residues using the 3.3.X 
series of GROMACS. I even think I started a thread about it. Before you 
digg that thread up you should:


i) work out what you want to do
ii) understand what result you should get
iii) do it and check it !!!

If that fails I suggest you search the list for archives for threads 
discussing capping problems.


For the record I got around the problem using  pdb2gmx from the 3.2 or 
3.1 series of GROMACS.



Cheers

Mitch


Mark Abraham wrote:

Bhawana Gupta wrote:

hello,
thankyou for ur advice on the mail named *missing of methyl at 
N-terminal.


Terminology is important to get right. You were capping the 
*C-terminal* end with an *N-methyl*.



*  i m using forcefield ffgmx.


That's a poor idea for anything other than a learning exercise. That 
force field has been deprecated for years.



u had advice me to put the correct name for terminal N-CH3 group
i.e. i had replaced NHM with NAC as given there. That error has been 
solved but again i m getting the  error as:

-
Program pdb2gmx, VERSION 4.0
Source code file: pdb2top.c, line: 574

Fatal error:
atom N not found in residue 1ACE while combining tdb and rtp
-

This is my pdb file in text editor


So what were your pdb2gmx command line and responses to prompts? You 
need to think carefully about why pdb2gmx might be looking for an N 
atom in your ACE residue that doesn't have one.


Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] missing of methyl at N-terminal

2008-11-09 Thread Mark Abraham

Bhawana Gupta wrote:

hello,
thankyou for ur advice on the mail named *missing of methyl at N-terminal.


Terminology is important to get right. You were capping the *C-terminal* 
end with an *N-methyl*.



*  i m using forcefield ffgmx.


That's a poor idea for anything other than a learning exercise. That 
force field has been deprecated for years.


u had advice me to put the correct name 
for terminal N-CH3 group
i.e. i had replaced NHM with NAC as given there. That error has been 
solved but again i m getting the  error as:

-
Program pdb2gmx, VERSION 4.0
Source code file: pdb2top.c, line: 574

Fatal error:
atom N not found in residue 1ACE while combining tdb and rtp
-

This is my pdb file in text editor


So what were your pdb2gmx command line and responses to prompts? You 
need to think carefully about why pdb2gmx might be looking for an N atom 
in your ACE residue that doesn't have one.


Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] missing of methyl at N-terminal

2008-11-09 Thread Bhawana Gupta
hello,
thankyou for ur advice on the mail named *missing of methyl at N-terminal.
*  i m using forcefield ffgmx. u had advice me to put the correct name for
terminal N-CH3 group
i.e. i had replaced NHM with NAC as given there. That error has been solved
but again i m getting the  error as:
-
Program pdb2gmx, VERSION 4.0
Source code file: pdb2top.c, line: 574

Fatal error:
atom N not found in residue 1ACE while combining tdb and rtp
-

This is my pdb file in text editor

AUTHORGENERATED BY OPEN BABEL 2.2.0
ATOM  1  CA  ACE 1  -3.811  -0.502   0.471  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM  2  C   ACE 1  -2.354  -0.410   0.072  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM  3  O   ACE 1  -1.743  -1.403  -0.345  1.00  0.00
O
ATOM  4  N   ALA 2  -1.649   0.885   0.183  1.00  0.00
N
ATOM  5  CA  ALA 2  -0.244   1.035  -0.187  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM  6  C   ALA 2   0.221   2.456   0.023  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM  7  O   ALA 2  -0.530   3.334   0.466  1.00  0.00
O
ATOM  8  CB  ALA 2  -0.094   0.568  -1.645  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM  9  N   ALA 3   1.482   2.703  -0.281  1.00  0.00
N
ATOM 10  CA  ALA 3   2.069   4.031  -0.129  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 11  C   ALA 3   3.519   4.033  -0.548  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 12  O   ALA 3   4.081   3.015  -0.969  1.00  0.00
O
ATOM 13  CB  ALA 3   1.870   4.463   1.334  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 14  N   ALA 4   4.149   5.189  -0.449  1.00  0.00
N
ATOM 15  CA  ALA 4   5.553   5.340  -0.819  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 16  C   ALA 4   6.019   6.761  -0.609  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 17  O   ALA 4   5.267   7.638  -0.166  1.00  0.00
O
ATOM 18  CB  ALA 4   5.704   4.872  -2.277  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 19  N   ALA 5   7.279   7.008  -0.913  1.00  0.00
N
ATOM 20  CA  ALA 5   7.866   8.336  -0.760  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 21  C   ALA 5   9.317   8.337  -1.179  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 22  O   ALA 5   9.879   7.319  -1.601  1.00  0.00
O
ATOM 23  CB  ALA 5   7.668   8.768   0.703  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 24  N   NAC 6  10.022   9.633  -1.069  1.00  0.00
N
ATOM 25  CA  NAC 6  11.417   9.736  -1.462  1.00  0.00
C
CONECT12
CONECT2341
CONECT32
CONECT452
CONECT5864
CONECT6957
CONECT76
CONECT85
CONECT9   106
CONECT   10   119   13
CONECT   11   12   14   10
CONECT   12   11
CONECT   13   10
CONECT   14   15   11
CONECT   15   18   16   14
CONECT   16   19   15   17
CONECT   17   16
CONECT   18   15
CONECT   19   20   16
CONECT   20   21   19   23
CONECT   21   22   24   20
CONECT   22   21
CONECT   23   20
CONECT   24   25   21
CONECT   25   24
MASTER00000000   250   250
END

so pls help me out.
i had taken my pdb file from INSIGHTII program.

With Regards
Bhawana
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Re: [gmx-users] missing of methyl at N-terminal

2008-11-07 Thread Mark Abraham

Bhawana Gupta wrote:

thankyou for ur reply.
exact error which i m getting, when running pdb2gmx command with the pdb 
which i had taken from insightII is

Program pdb2gmx, VERSION 4.0
Source code file: pdb2gmx.c, line: 429

Fatal error:
Atom C in residue NH2 6 not found in rtp entry with 3 atoms
 while sorting atoms


So from this you can work out that pdb2gmx is guessing that residue 6 
(named "NHM" in your pdb file) is intended to be an NH2 residue (which 
has 3 atoms), but then gets confused trying to match one of them to the 
C atom in the residue named "NHM". You need to name residues according 
to the names in the .rtp database. Here, "NHM" presumably isn't right 
for N-methylamine your force field. Go and look up what it should be and 
edit your input to help pdb2gmx along.


Computers can't be programmed to guess correctly in all cases what the 
user meant. You need to take some responsibility for telling it useful 
things :-) A good working knowledge of the contents of chapter 5 of the 
manual is invaluable here.


Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] missing of methyl at N-terminal

2008-11-07 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Bhawana Gupta wrote:

thankyou for ur reply.
exact error which i m getting, when running pdb2gmx command with the pdb 
which i had taken from insightII is

Program pdb2gmx, VERSION 4.0
Source code file: pdb2gmx.c, line: 429

Fatal error:
Atom C in residue NH2 6 not found in rtp entry with 3 atoms
 while sorting atoms



This probably comes about because you are trying to use parameters from an -NH2 
group on a structure that contains -NH(CH3).  You also haven't mentioned which 
force field you're trying to use.  Some force fields do not have an N-methyl 
group parameterized (check the .rtp file).


-Justin



this is my pdb in text editor
there is a presence of 25 atom in my pdb (C in residue NH2 6), but i m 
getting the error mentioned above

AUTHORGENERATED BY OPEN BABEL 2.2.0
ATOM  1  CA  ACE 1  -3.811  -0.502   0.471  1.00  
0.00   C  
ATOM  2  C   ACE 1  -2.354  -0.410   0.072  1.00  
0.00   C  
ATOM  3  O   ACE 1  -1.743  -1.403  -0.345  1.00  
0.00   O  
ATOM  4  N   ALA 2  -1.649   0.885   0.183  1.00  
0.00   N  
ATOM  5  CA  ALA 2  -0.244   1.035  -0.187  1.00  
0.00   C  
ATOM  6  C   ALA 2   0.221   2.456   0.023  1.00  
0.00   C  
ATOM  7  O   ALA 2  -0.530   3.334   0.466  1.00  
0.00   O  
ATOM  8  CB  ALA 2  -0.094   0.568  -1.645  1.00  
0.00   C  
ATOM  9  N   ALA 3   1.482   2.703  -0.281  1.00  
0.00   N  
ATOM 10  CA  ALA 3   2.069   4.031  -0.129  1.00  
0.00   C  
ATOM 11  C   ALA 3   3.519   4.033  -0.548  1.00  
0.00   C  
ATOM 12  O   ALA 3   4.081   3.015  -0.969  1.00  
0.00   O  
ATOM 13  CB  ALA 3   1.870   4.463   1.334  1.00  
0.00   C  
ATOM 14  N   ALA 4   4.149   5.189  -0.449  1.00  
0.00   N  
ATOM 15  CA  ALA 4   5.553   5.340  -0.819  1.00  
0.00   C  
ATOM 16  C   ALA 4   6.019   6.761  -0.609  1.00  
0.00   C  
ATOM 17  O   ALA 4   5.267   7.638  -0.166  1.00  
0.00   O  
ATOM 18  CB  ALA 4   5.704   4.872  -2.277  1.00  
0.00   C  
ATOM 19  N   ALA 5   7.279   7.008  -0.913  1.00  
0.00   N  
ATOM 20  CA  ALA 5   7.866   8.336  -0.760  1.00  
0.00   C  
ATOM 21  C   ALA 5   9.317   8.337  -1.179  1.00  
0.00   C  
ATOM 22  O   ALA 5   9.879   7.319  -1.601  1.00  
0.00   O  
ATOM 23  CB  ALA 5   7.668   8.768   0.703  1.00  
0.00   C  
ATOM 24  N   NHM 6  10.022   9.633  -1.069  1.00  
0.00   N  
ATOM 25  C   NHM 6  11.417   9.736  -1.462  1.00  
0.00   C 
CONECT12  
CONECT2341
CONECT32  
CONECT452 
CONECT5864
CONECT6957
CONECT76  
CONECT85  
CONECT9   106 
CONECT   10   119   13
CONECT   11   12   14   10
CONECT   12   11  
CONECT   13   10  
CONECT   14   15   11 
CONECT   15   18   16   14
CONECT   16   19   15   17
CONECT   17   16  
CONECT   18   15  
CONECT   19   20   16 
CONECT   20   21   19   23
CONECT   21   22   24   20
CONECT   22   21  
CONECT   23   20  
CONECT   24   25   21 
CONECT   25   24  
MASTER00000000   250   250

END

Please help me out.

With regards
Bhawana




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Re: [gmx-users] missing of methyl at N-terminal

2008-11-07 Thread Bhawana Gupta
thankyou for ur reply.
exact error which i m getting, when running pdb2gmx command with the pdb
which i had taken from insightII is
Program pdb2gmx, VERSION 4.0
Source code file: pdb2gmx.c, line: 429

Fatal error:
Atom C in residue NH2 6 not found in rtp entry with 3 atoms
 while sorting atoms


this is my pdb in text editor
there is a presence of 25 atom in my pdb (C in residue NH2 6), but i m
getting the error mentioned above
AUTHORGENERATED BY OPEN BABEL 2.2.0
ATOM  1  CA  ACE 1  -3.811  -0.502   0.471  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM  2  C   ACE 1  -2.354  -0.410   0.072  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM  3  O   ACE 1  -1.743  -1.403  -0.345  1.00  0.00
O
ATOM  4  N   ALA 2  -1.649   0.885   0.183  1.00  0.00
N
ATOM  5  CA  ALA 2  -0.244   1.035  -0.187  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM  6  C   ALA 2   0.221   2.456   0.023  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM  7  O   ALA 2  -0.530   3.334   0.466  1.00  0.00
O
ATOM  8  CB  ALA 2  -0.094   0.568  -1.645  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM  9  N   ALA 3   1.482   2.703  -0.281  1.00  0.00
N
ATOM 10  CA  ALA 3   2.069   4.031  -0.129  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 11  C   ALA 3   3.519   4.033  -0.548  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 12  O   ALA 3   4.081   3.015  -0.969  1.00  0.00
O
ATOM 13  CB  ALA 3   1.870   4.463   1.334  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 14  N   ALA 4   4.149   5.189  -0.449  1.00  0.00
N
ATOM 15  CA  ALA 4   5.553   5.340  -0.819  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 16  C   ALA 4   6.019   6.761  -0.609  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 17  O   ALA 4   5.267   7.638  -0.166  1.00  0.00
O
ATOM 18  CB  ALA 4   5.704   4.872  -2.277  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 19  N   ALA 5   7.279   7.008  -0.913  1.00  0.00
N
ATOM 20  CA  ALA 5   7.866   8.336  -0.760  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 21  C   ALA 5   9.317   8.337  -1.179  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 22  O   ALA 5   9.879   7.319  -1.601  1.00  0.00
O
ATOM 23  CB  ALA 5   7.668   8.768   0.703  1.00  0.00
C
ATOM 24  N   NHM 6  10.022   9.633  -1.069  1.00  0.00
N
ATOM 25  C   NHM 6  11.417   9.736  -1.462  1.00  0.00
C
CONECT12
CONECT2341
CONECT32
CONECT452
CONECT5864
CONECT6957
CONECT76
CONECT85
CONECT9   106
CONECT   10   119   13
CONECT   11   12   14   10
CONECT   12   11
CONECT   13   10
CONECT   14   15   11
CONECT   15   18   16   14
CONECT   16   19   15   17
CONECT   17   16
CONECT   18   15
CONECT   19   20   16
CONECT   20   21   19   23
CONECT   21   22   24   20
CONECT   22   21
CONECT   23   20
CONECT   24   25   21
CONECT   25   24
MASTER00000000   250   250
END

Please help me out.

With regards
Bhawana
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Re: [gmx-users] missing of methyl at N-terminal

2008-11-07 Thread Mark Abraham

Bhawana Gupta wrote:

hello everyone,
 
for doing peptide with usual amino acid simulation.
i m bringing my *.pdb file from insightII as i dont  know any other tool 
or software from where i can get any pdb file (model peptide-Eg. 
Ac-Ala-Ala-Ala-Ala-NHMe).But when i put my pdb file in gromacs by using 
pdb2gmx. it give error that no C is present at 6 NH2 position.
 
tell me what to do.


Don't interpret error messages when reporting a problem with them to the 
list. If your interpretation was good, then you probably wouldn't have 
the problem. We'll be much more helpful if you give the actual input and 
(relevant) output copied and pasted from your terminal window. I 
shouldn't have to be guessing what actual problem means "it give error 
that no C is present at 6 NH2 position".


In practice, InsightII uses PDB atom naming conventions that differ from 
GROMACS ones. For small cases your best solution is to use it to 
generate a PDB file, see what pdb2gmx doesn't like about it, refer to 
the forcefield .rtp files (see chapter 5 of the manual) and fix them 
with a text editor. If that becomes too tedious to be practical, invest 
in writing some sed or Perl scripts to automate the conversion.


either tell me the name of free software or tool from where i can get 
the pdb of model peptide.


Some options are given here 
http://wiki.gromacs.org/index.php/Coordinate_File but the world seems to 
be lacking a good, free solution.


tell me one more thing that whether gromacs only take those pdb's which 
are converted by babel


No idea.

Mark
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[gmx-users] missing of methyl at N-terminal

2008-11-06 Thread Bhawana Gupta
hello everyone,

for doing peptide with usual amino acid simulation.
i m bringing my *.pdb file from insightII as i dont  know any other tool or
software from where i can get any pdb file (model peptide-Eg.
Ac-Ala-Ala-Ala-Ala-NHMe).But when i put my pdb file in gromacs by using
pdb2gmx. it give error that no C is present at 6 NH2 position.

tell me what to do.

either tell me the name of free software or tool from where i can get the
pdb of model peptide.
tell me one more thing that whether gromacs only take those pdb's which are
converted by babel

Please help me out
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