[gmx-users] nstlist with vdw only

2007-08-21 Thread Nicolas Schmidt
Would't this mean, that molecules could suddenly appear and lead to a 
discontinuity in the LJ-potential?
Or in what way should I modify the r_vdw according to what rlist? I 
wanna end with a cut-off of the LJ-potentail around 1.75nm.


Thanks in advance

Nicolas

Erik Lindahl wrote:

Hi Nicholas,

nstlist=1 means you recalculate the neighborlist every single step, 
which will be quite expensive.


Depending on the type of system and temperature you are simulation you 
probably want to start somewhere around nstlist=10.


Cheers,

Erik


On Aug 20, 2007, at 10:26 PM, Nicolas Schmidt wrote:


Hello again,

just a quick question:

my simulation runs with vdwtype = cut-off  and no charges, so in my 
understanding I can set rcoulomb to whatever I want, since there is 
nothing that's got to be calculated.


Within this configuration (rlilst = r_vdw, nstlist = 1) up to 50% of 
the computation-time is used for ns-pairs, only 30-35% for LJ. Am I 
doing something wrong here? How can this be done more efficient.


Thanks to everyone

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Re: [gmx-users] nstlist with vdw only

2007-08-21 Thread Erik Lindahl

Hi,

On Aug 21, 2007, at 8:08 AM, Nicolas Schmidt wrote:

Would't this mean, that molecules could suddenly appear and lead to  
a discontinuity in the LJ-potential?
Or in what way should I modify the r_vdw according to what rlist? I  
wanna end with a cut-off of the LJ-potentail around 1.75nm.




Certainly - but there will be a discountinuity even with nstlist=1  
unless you use switch or shift modifications to the interaction.


For perfect energy conservation you should pick rlist slightly larger  
than rvdw (depends on your charge group size and nstlist, but start  
with 0.2-0.3 nm), and apply switch or shift.


However, there will be a bit of performance price to pay for that.

Personally, I think energy conservation is overrated. There's nothing  
wrong with it, but energy conservation per se doesn't mean anything.  
You could use the potential V=sin(r) for Lennard-Jones interaction  
and still get conservation if it is switched smoothly to zero at the  
cutoff distance.


The goal in most applications is to improve the accuracy of free  
energy, diffusion coefficients, or other observables, and then it is  
sometimes better to focus on the sampling and let thermostats take  
care of the drifts in energy.



Cheers,

Erik

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[gmx-users] nstlist with vdw only

2007-08-20 Thread Nicolas Schmidt
Hello again,

just a quick question:

my simulation runs with vdwtype = cut-off  and no charges, so in my 
understanding I can set rcoulomb to whatever I want, since there is nothing 
that's got to be calculated.

Within this configuration (rlilst = r_vdw, nstlist = 1) up to 50% of the 
computation-time is used for ns-pairs, only 30-35% for LJ. Am I doing something 
wrong here? How can this be done more efficient.

Thanks to everyone

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gmx_ethane_0365_32768.e74269
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ethane.itp
Description: Binary data


ethane_32768.top
Description: Binary data


md.mdp
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Re: [gmx-users] nstlist with vdw only

2007-08-20 Thread Erik Lindahl

Hi Nicholas,

nstlist=1 means you recalculate the neighborlist every single step,  
which will be quite expensive.


Depending on the type of system and temperature you are simulation  
you probably want to start somewhere around nstlist=10.


Cheers,

Erik


On Aug 20, 2007, at 10:26 PM, Nicolas Schmidt wrote:


Hello again,

just a quick question:

my simulation runs with vdwtype = cut-off  and no charges, so in my  
understanding I can set rcoulomb to whatever I want, since there is  
nothing that's got to be calculated.


Within this configuration (rlilst = r_vdw, nstlist = 1) up to 50%  
of the computation-time is used for ns-pairs, only 30-35% for LJ.  
Am I doing something wrong here? How can this be done more efficient.


Thanks to everyone

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