Re: [gmx-users] use of the mailing list
Sure Mark. If your interest is in patrolling the Gromacs mailing list, then I'll leave you to it. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.auwrote: On 19/08/2011 1:41 PM, Junior Nebeker wrote: Correct. Other people (who are new to this list) need your help, and unless their requests are way out of line, there's no reason to adopt a haughty attitude in responding. There's never a case for rudeness, but when (for example) people have been asking questions on the mailing list for years and still haven't absorbed the advice available here http://www.gromacs.org/Support, then one can get frustrated. Expressing a little of that can help people realise how to participate more effectively in the discussion. One's family doctor can ask a lot of patient questions about what is wrong because you're paying them a lot of money. If people who might give free help don't feel that their time is valued, they might stop giving it. One way of demonstrating this is to ask questions that show one's willingness to work on the problem by providing lots of relevant diagnostic information. See http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Mark P.S. I'm not intending to express particular criticism of the original poster in this thread On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.auwrote: On 19/08/2011 9:32 AM, Junior Nebeker wrote: Hey mark, If you are really sick of asking people for such information, why do you even care to respond to this mailing list? Because I'd rather teach someone to fish than either give them fish or watch them starve. Mark -- gmx-users mailing listgmx-users@gromacs.org http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users Please search the archive at http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists/Search before posting! Please don't post (un)subscribe requests to the list. Use the www interface or send it to gmx-users-requ...@gromacs.org. Can't post? Read http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists -- gmx-users mailing listgmx-users@gromacs.org http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users Please search the archive at http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists/Search before posting! Please don't post (un)subscribe requests to the list. Use the www interface or send it to gmx-users-requ...@gromacs.org. Can't post? Read http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists -- gmx-users mailing listgmx-users@gromacs.org http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users Please search the archive at http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists/Search before posting! Please don't post (un)subscribe requests to the list. Use the www interface or send it to gmx-users-requ...@gromacs.org. Can't post? Read http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists
Re: [gmx-users] use of the mailing list
On 20/08/2011 1:13 AM, Junior Nebeker wrote: Sure Mark. If your interest is in patrolling the Gromacs mailing list, then I'll leave you to it. If you have something constructive to contribute, please do. Otherwise, please don't. Mark -- gmx-users mailing listgmx-users@gromacs.org http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users Please search the archive at http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists/Search before posting! Please don't post (un)subscribe requests to the list. Use the www interface or send it to gmx-users-requ...@gromacs.org. Can't post? Read http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists
Re: [gmx-users] use of the mailing list
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Junior Nebeker junior.nebe...@gmail.comwrote: Sure Mark. If your interest is in patrolling the Gromacs mailing list, then I'll leave you to it. I think before you type your response you should consider that Mark has helped several hundred times over this mailing list. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.auwrote: On 19/08/2011 1:41 PM, Junior Nebeker wrote: Correct. Other people (who are new to this list) need your help, and unless their requests are way out of line, there's no reason to adopt a haughty attitude in responding. There's never a case for rudeness, but when (for example) people have been asking questions on the mailing list for years and still haven't absorbed the advice available here http://www.gromacs.org/Support, then one can get frustrated. Expressing a little of that can help people realise how to participate more effectively in the discussion. One's family doctor can ask a lot of patient questions about what is wrong because you're paying them a lot of money. If people who might give free help don't feel that their time is valued, they might stop giving it. One way of demonstrating this is to ask questions that show one's willingness to work on the problem by providing lots of relevant diagnostic information. See http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Mark P.S. I'm not intending to express particular criticism of the original poster in this thread On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.auwrote: On 19/08/2011 9:32 AM, Junior Nebeker wrote: Hey mark, If you are really sick of asking people for such information, why do you even care to respond to this mailing list? Because I'd rather teach someone to fish than either give them fish or watch them starve. Mark -- gmx-users mailing listgmx-users@gromacs.org http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users Please search the archive at http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists/Search before posting! Please don't post (un)subscribe requests to the list. Use the www interface or send it to gmx-users-requ...@gromacs.org. Can't post? Read http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists -- gmx-users mailing listgmx-users@gromacs.org http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users Please search the archive at http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists/Search before posting! Please don't post (un)subscribe requests to the list. Use the www interface or send it to gmx-users-requ...@gromacs.org. Can't post? Read http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists -- gmx-users mailing listgmx-users@gromacs.org http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users Please search the archive at http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists/Search before posting! Please don't post (un)subscribe requests to the list. Use the www interface or send it to gmx-users-requ...@gromacs.org. Can't post? Read http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists -- gmx-users mailing listgmx-users@gromacs.org http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users Please search the archive at http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists/Search before posting! Please don't post (un)subscribe requests to the list. Use the www interface or send it to gmx-users-requ...@gromacs.org. Can't post? Read http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists
Re: [gmx-users] use of the mailing list
Of course I know of Mark's contributions. However, one's contributions, big or small, shouldn't excuse him/her from being rude to others. That's my constructive feedback - take it or leave it. On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Amit Choubey kgp.a...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Junior Nebeker junior.nebe...@gmail.comwrote: Sure Mark. If your interest is in patrolling the Gromacs mailing list, then I'll leave you to it. I think before you type your response you should consider that Mark has helped several hundred times over this mailing list. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.auwrote: On 19/08/2011 1:41 PM, Junior Nebeker wrote: Correct. Other people (who are new to this list) need your help, and unless their requests are way out of line, there's no reason to adopt a haughty attitude in responding. There's never a case for rudeness, but when (for example) people have been asking questions on the mailing list for years and still haven't absorbed the advice available here http://www.gromacs.org/Support, then one can get frustrated. Expressing a little of that can help people realise how to participate more effectively in the discussion. One's family doctor can ask a lot of patient questions about what is wrong because you're paying them a lot of money. If people who might give free help don't feel that their time is valued, they might stop giving it. One way of demonstrating this is to ask questions that show one's willingness to work on the problem by providing lots of relevant diagnostic information. See http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Mark P.S. I'm not intending to express particular criticism of the original poster in this thread On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.auwrote: On 19/08/2011 9:32 AM, Junior Nebeker wrote: Hey mark, If you are really sick of asking people for such information, why do you even care to respond to this mailing list? Because I'd rather teach someone to fish than either give them fish or watch them starve. Mark -- gmx-users mailing listgmx-users@gromacs.org http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users Please search the archive at http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists/Search before posting! Please don't post (un)subscribe requests to the list. Use the www interface or send it to gmx-users-requ...@gromacs.org. Can't post? Read http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists -- gmx-users mailing listgmx-users@gromacs.org http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users Please search the archive at http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists/Search before posting! Please don't post (un)subscribe requests to the list. Use the www interface or send it to gmx-users-requ...@gromacs.org. Can't post? Read http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists -- gmx-users mailing listgmx-users@gromacs.org http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users Please search the archive at http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists/Search before posting! Please don't post (un)subscribe requests to the list. Use the www interface or send it to gmx-users-requ...@gromacs.org. Can't post? Read http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists -- gmx-users mailing listgmx-users@gromacs.org http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users Please search the archive at http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists/Search before posting! Please don't post (un)subscribe requests to the list. Use the www interface or send it to gmx-users-requ...@gromacs.org. Can't post? Read http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists -- gmx-users mailing listgmx-users@gromacs.org http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users Please search the archive at http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists/Search before posting! Please don't post (un)subscribe requests to the list. Use the www interface or send it to gmx-users-requ...@gromacs.org. Can't post? Read http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists
[gmx-users] use of the mailing list
On 19/08/2011 1:41 PM, Junior Nebeker wrote: Correct. Other people (who are new to this list) need your help, and unless their requests are way out of line, there's no reason to adopt a haughty attitude in responding. There's never a case for rudeness, but when (for example) people have been asking questions on the mailing list for years and still haven't absorbed the advice available here http://www.gromacs.org/Support, then one can get frustrated. Expressing a little of that can help people realise how to participate more effectively in the discussion. One's family doctor can ask a lot of patient questions about what is wrong because you're paying them a lot of money. If people who might give free help don't feel that their time is valued, they might stop giving it. One way of demonstrating this is to ask questions that show one's willingness to work on the problem by providing lots of relevant diagnostic information. See http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Mark P.S. I'm not intending to express particular criticism of the original poster in this thread On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au mailto:mark.abra...@anu.edu.au wrote: On 19/08/2011 9:32 AM, Junior Nebeker wrote: Hey mark, If you are really sick of asking people for such information, why do you even care to respond to this mailing list? Because I'd rather teach someone to fish than either give them fish or watch them starve. Mark -- gmx-users mailing list gmx-users@gromacs.org mailto:gmx-users@gromacs.org http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users Please search the archive at http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists/Search before posting! Please don't post (un)subscribe requests to the list. Use the www interface or send it to gmx-users-requ...@gromacs.org mailto:gmx-users-requ...@gromacs.org. Can't post? Read http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists -- gmx-users mailing listgmx-users@gromacs.org http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users Please search the archive at http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists/Search before posting! Please don't post (un)subscribe requests to the list. Use the www interface or send it to gmx-users-requ...@gromacs.org. Can't post? Read http://www.gromacs.org/Support/Mailing_Lists
