RE: [gmx-users] PDB and GRO files

2009-07-24 Thread Jim Kress
Try Openbabel.  

http://openbabel.org/wiki/Main_Page

It intercoverts most file types so, you could build your molecule with any
of the 3D model builders that serve as front ends to Quantum Chemistry
programs.  Export it as an XYZ file and then use Openbabel to convert it to
a pdb format.  Some will even export pdb formatted files.

For that matter, you could use ArgusLab to build your protein and/ or import
it from a known pdb file database.  If you choose to build your protein, it
will export it in a pdb format.  If you download one from a database,
obviously you can save it in a pdb format.

ArgusLab is also specifically designed to make building proteins simpler
(not simple - just simpler) with a built-in library of amino acids in
fragment forms that can be connected to create the protein of your choice
along with side chain fragments, solvation species, etc.

http://www.arguslab.com/

Highly recommended.

Jim

 -Original Message-
 From: gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org 
 [mailto:gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org] On Behalf Of Justin A. Lemkul
 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:16 PM
 To: Gromacs Users' List
 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] PDB and GRO files
 
 
 
 Jamie Seyed wrote:
  Hi Justin,
   
  On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu 
  mailto:jalem...@vt.edu wrote:
  
  
  
  Jamie Seyed wrote:
  
  Hi,
  Thanks for your comments. But I do not know how to 
 get (or make)
  the pdb file if it is not made (let say for a new 
 system). Are
  you using special software to do that to make a pdb 
 or gro file,
  before starting the simulation?
  
  
  That's going to depend entirely upon what that system 
 is.  Building
  a protein or peptide is not so trivial.  Building a 
 small molecule
  is fairly straightforward using programs like PRODRG (online) or
  xLeap (part of AmberTools).
  
  That said, if your goal is to simulate some arbitrary small
  molecules, the previous advice of using pdb2gmx will 
 not apply.  You
  will have to build the topologies yourself. 
  
   
  Is the result of using these programs a pdb file or gro.. would 
  you please explain a little bit?
 
 The documentation of each program will explain the output formats.
 
  The systems that I want to simulate are fullerene and CNT. 
 But before
 
 Then neither PRODRG nor xLeap will be of use to you; xLeap 
 might work, but it's probably about the hardest way to do it :)
 
  that I will simulate a box of water, spce. In this case is it ok to 
  use spc216.pdb (??) or I should use the programs you mentioned?
 
 Use spc216.gro - it's a pre-equilibrated box that is suitable 
 for use in further simulations.
 
  Sorry for these simple questions..
  
  
  
  Another thing: It is not possible for me to open 
 some web-pages
  that users are referring to (some of them are 
 crucial to get the
  answer)!! Did you face with the same problem or there is new
  web-address for them??
   
  
  
  If you cite some examples, maybe someone can point you 
 in the right
  direction. The Gromacs webpage is currently migrating 
 to a new site;
  old webpages can be accessed by appending old to the URL, i.e.
  http://oldwww.gromacs.org http://oldwww.gromacs.org/ 
 is the old
  home page.
  
   
  For example I checked 
 http://www.gromacs.org/WIKI-import/PRODRG as you 
  mentioned, but I can not open links on the page. All of them (check 
  force field for example) can not open with like this message Site 
  settings could not be loaded...
 
 Use Google to search for PRODRG; the link in the wiki article 
 is incorrect.  But as I said above, for your purposes, PRODRG 
 is not useful.
 
  Is it the page I should use to get a pdb file for my 
 system?? I really 
  appreciate if you let me know the exact web-address to use 
 PRODRG or 
  xLeap (?).
   
 
 Use Google to find things.
 
 This page is probably where you will want to start:
 
 http://www.gromacs.org/WIKI-import/Carbon_Nanotube
 
 -Justin
 
  Thanks a lot,
  Jamie
   
  
  
  
  -Justin
  
  Thanks for your help,
  Jamie
  
  On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Rodrigo faccioli
  rodrigo_facci...@uol.com.br
  mailto:rodrigo_facci...@uol.com.br
  mailto:rodrigo_facci...@uol.com.br
  mailto:rodrigo_facci...@uol.com.br wrote:
  
 Hi,
  
 If I understood your question, do you want to 
 know how can
  you start
 a simulation? So, if I'm correct I recommend this link
 
 http://www.gromacs.org/WIKI-import/Main_Page/Beginners to you. In
 this link, there is flowsheet file which is the 
 flowchart to
  Gromacs
 simulation.
  
 Answered your question a little more specific, although
  basically,after you get the pdb file, you need 
 to run the
  pdb2gmx program

Re: [gmx-users] PDB and GRO files

2009-07-24 Thread Mark Abraham

Jim Kress wrote:
Try Openbabel.  


http://openbabel.org/wiki/Main_Page

It intercoverts most file types so, you could build your molecule with any
of the 3D model builders that serve as front ends to Quantum Chemistry
programs.  Export it as an XYZ file and then use Openbabel to convert it to
a pdb format.  Some will even export pdb formatted files.

For that matter, you could use ArgusLab to build your protein and/ or import
it from a known pdb file database.  If you choose to build your protein, it
will export it in a pdb format.  If you download one from a database,
obviously you can save it in a pdb format.

ArgusLab is also specifically designed to make building proteins simpler
(not simple - just simpler) with a built-in library of amino acids in
fragment forms that can be connected to create the protein of your choice
along with side chain fragments, solvation species, etc.

http://www.arguslab.com/

Highly recommended.


Wikified, thanks. 
http://oldwiki.gromacs.org/index.php/Coordinate_File#Sources


Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] PDB and GRO files

2009-07-21 Thread Rodrigo faccioli
Hi,

If I understood your question, do you want to know how can you start a
simulation? So, if I'm correct I recommend this link
http://www.gromacs.org/WIKI-import/Main_Page/Beginners to you. In this link,
there is flowsheet file which is the flowchart to Gromacs simulation.

Answered your question a little more specific, although basically,  after
you get the pdb file, you need to run the pdb2gmx program. The link above
explains more details about it.

I hope that this email helped you.

Cheers,

--
Rodrigo Antonio Faccioli
Ph.D Student in Electrical Engineering
University of Sao Paulo - USP
Engineering School of Sao Carlos - EESC
Department of Electrical Engineering - SEL
Intelligent System in Structure Bioinformatics
http://laips.sel.eesc.usp.br
Phone: 55 (16) 3373-9366 Ext 229
Curriculum Lattes - http://lattes.cnpq.br/1025157978990218


On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Jamie Seyed jamie.se...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I have a basic question (since I am new). For starting any simulation as I
 understand, is to find a .pdb or .gor file. Pdb files for proteins are
 already there, but for a new system what is the easiest and quick way to
 find it (which software etc). What about .gro files?



 I appreciate your help for solve my basic problems.

 Thanks, Jamie

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Re: [gmx-users] PDB and GRO files

2009-07-21 Thread Jamie Seyed
Hi,
Thanks for your comments. But I do not know how to get (or make) the pdb
file if it is not made (let say for a new system). Are you using special
software to do that to make a pdb or gro file, before starting the
simulation?
Another thing: It is not possible for me to open some web-pages that users
are referring to (some of them are crucial to get the answer)!! Did you face
with the same problem or there is new web-address for them??

Thanks for your help,
Jamie

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Rodrigo faccioli 
rodrigo_facci...@uol.com.br wrote:

 Hi,

 If I understood your question, do you want to know how can you start a
 simulation? So, if I'm correct I recommend this link
 http://www.gromacs.org/WIKI-import/Main_Page/Beginners to you. In this
 link, there is flowsheet file which is the flowchart to Gromacs simulation.

 Answered your question a little more specific, although basically,  after
 you get the pdb file, you need to run the pdb2gmx program. The link above
 explains more details about it.

 I hope that this email helped you.

 Cheers,

 --
 Rodrigo Antonio Faccioli
 Ph.D Student in Electrical Engineering
 University of Sao Paulo - USP
 Engineering School of Sao Carlos - EESC
 Department of Electrical Engineering - SEL
 Intelligent System in Structure Bioinformatics
 http://laips.sel.eesc.usp.br
 Phone: 55 (16) 3373-9366 Ext 229
 Curriculum Lattes - http://lattes.cnpq.br/1025157978990218


   On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Jamie Seyed jamie.se...@gmail.comwrote:

   Hi,

 I have a basic question (since I am new). For starting any simulation as I
 understand, is to find a .pdb or .gor file. Pdb files for proteins are
 already there, but for a new system what is the easiest and quick way to
 find it (which software etc). What about .gro files?



 I appreciate your help for solve my basic problems.

 Thanks, Jamie

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Re: [gmx-users] PDB and GRO files

2009-07-21 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Jamie Seyed wrote:

Hi,
Thanks for your comments. But I do not know how to get (or make) the pdb 
file if it is not made (let say for a new system). Are you using special 
software to do that to make a pdb or gro file, before starting the 
simulation?


That's going to depend entirely upon what that system is.  Building a protein or 
peptide is not so trivial.  Building a small molecule is fairly straightforward 
using programs like PRODRG (online) or xLeap (part of AmberTools).


That said, if your goal is to simulate some arbitrary small molecules, the 
previous advice of using pdb2gmx will not apply.  You will have to build the 
topologies yourself.


Another thing: It is not possible for me to open some web-pages that 
users are referring to (some of them are crucial to get the answer)!! 
Did you face with the same problem or there is new web-address for them??
 


If you cite some examples, maybe someone can point you in the right direction. 
The Gromacs webpage is currently migrating to a new site; old webpages can be 
accessed by appending old to the URL, i.e. http://oldwww.gromacs.org is the 
old home page.


-Justin


Thanks for your help,
Jamie

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Rodrigo faccioli 
rodrigo_facci...@uol.com.br mailto:rodrigo_facci...@uol.com.br wrote:


Hi,

If I understood your question, do you want to know how can you start
a simulation? So, if I'm correct I recommend this link
http://www.gromacs.org/WIKI-import/Main_Page/Beginners to you. In
this link, there is flowsheet file which is the flowchart to Gromacs
simulation.

Answered your question a little more specific, although basically, 
after you get the pdb file, you need to run the pdb2gmx program. The

link above explains more details about it.

I hope that this email helped you.

Cheers,
 
--

Rodrigo Antonio Faccioli
Ph.D Student in Electrical Engineering
University of Sao Paulo - USP
Engineering School of Sao Carlos - EESC
Department of Electrical Engineering - SEL
Intelligent System in Structure Bioinformatics
http://laips.sel.eesc.usp.br http://laips.sel.eesc.usp.br/
Phone: 55 (16) 3373-9366 Ext 229
Curriculum Lattes - http://lattes.cnpq.br/1025157978990218


On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Jamie Seyed jamie.se...@gmail.com
mailto:jamie.se...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

I have a basic question (since I am new). For starting any
simulation as I understand, is to find a .pdb or .gor file. Pdb
files for proteins are already there, but for a new system what
is the easiest and quick way to find it (which software etc).
What about .gro files?

 


I appreciate your help for solve my basic problems.

Thanks, Jamie


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Re: [gmx-users] PDB and GRO files

2009-07-21 Thread Jamie Seyed
Hi Justin,

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



 Jamie Seyed wrote:

 Hi,
 Thanks for your comments. But I do not know how to get (or make) the pdb
 file if it is not made (let say for a new system). Are you using special
 software to do that to make a pdb or gro file, before starting the
 simulation?


 That's going to depend entirely upon what that system is.  Building a
 protein or peptide is not so trivial.  Building a small molecule is fairly
 straightforward using programs like PRODRG (online) or xLeap (part of
 AmberTools).

 That said, if your goal is to simulate some arbitrary small molecules, the
 previous advice of using pdb2gmx will not apply.  You will have to build the
 topologies yourself.


Is the result of using these programs a pdb file or gro.. would you
please explain a little bit?
The systems that I want to simulate are fullerene and CNT. But before that I
will simulate a box of water, spce. In this case is it ok to use
spc216.pdb (??) or I should use the programs you mentioned?
Sorry for these simple questions..



 Another thing: It is not possible for me to open some web-pages that users
 are referring to (some of them are crucial to get the answer)!! Did you face
 with the same problem or there is new web-address for them??



 If you cite some examples, maybe someone can point you in the right
 direction. The Gromacs webpage is currently migrating to a new site; old
 webpages can be accessed by appending old to the URL, i.e.
 http://oldwww.gromacs.org is the old home page.


For example I checked http://www.gromacs.org/WIKI-import/PRODRG as you
mentioned, but I can not open links on the page. All of them (check force
field for example) can not open with like this message Site settings could
not be loaded...
Is it the page I should use to get a pdb file for my system?? I really
appreciate if you let me know the exact web-address to use PRODRG or xLeap
(?).

Thanks a lot,
Jamie




 -Justin

  Thanks for your help,
 Jamie

 On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Rodrigo faccioli 
 rodrigo_facci...@uol.com.br mailto:rodrigo_facci...@uol.com.br wrote:

Hi,

If I understood your question, do you want to know how can you start
a simulation? So, if I'm correct I recommend this link
http://www.gromacs.org/WIKI-import/Main_Page/Beginners to you. In
this link, there is flowsheet file which is the flowchart to Gromacs
simulation.

Answered your question a little more specific, although basically,
  after you get the pdb file, you need to run the pdb2gmx program. The
link above explains more details about it.

I hope that this email helped you.

Cheers,
--
Rodrigo Antonio Faccioli
Ph.D Student in Electrical Engineering
University of Sao Paulo - USP
Engineering School of Sao Carlos - EESC
Department of Electrical Engineering - SEL
Intelligent System in Structure Bioinformatics
http://laips.sel.eesc.usp.br http://laips.sel.eesc.usp.br/
Phone: 55 (16) 3373-9366 Ext 229
Curriculum Lattes - http://lattes.cnpq.br/1025157978990218


On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Jamie Seyed jamie.se...@gmail.com
mailto:jamie.se...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

I have a basic question (since I am new). For starting any
simulation as I understand, is to find a .pdb or .gor file. Pdb
files for proteins are already there, but for a new system what
is the easiest and quick way to find it (which software etc).
What about .gro files?


I appreciate your help for solve my basic problems.

Thanks, Jamie


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Re: [gmx-users] PDB and GRO files

2009-07-21 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Jamie Seyed wrote:

Hi Justin,
 
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu 
mailto:jalem...@vt.edu wrote:




Jamie Seyed wrote:

Hi,
Thanks for your comments. But I do not know how to get (or make)
the pdb file if it is not made (let say for a new system). Are
you using special software to do that to make a pdb or gro file,
before starting the simulation?


That's going to depend entirely upon what that system is.  Building
a protein or peptide is not so trivial.  Building a small molecule
is fairly straightforward using programs like PRODRG (online) or
xLeap (part of AmberTools).

That said, if your goal is to simulate some arbitrary small
molecules, the previous advice of using pdb2gmx will not apply.  You
will have to build the topologies yourself. 

 
Is the result of using these programs a pdb file or gro.. would you 
please explain a little bit?


The documentation of each program will explain the output formats.

The systems that I want to simulate are fullerene and CNT. But before 


Then neither PRODRG nor xLeap will be of use to you; xLeap might work, but it's 
probably about the hardest way to do it :)


that I will simulate a box of water, spce. In this case is it ok to use 
spc216.pdb (??) or I should use the programs you mentioned?


Use spc216.gro - it's a pre-equilibrated box that is suitable for use in further 
simulations.



Sorry for these simple questions..



Another thing: It is not possible for me to open some web-pages
that users are referring to (some of them are crucial to get the
answer)!! Did you face with the same problem or there is new
web-address for them??
 



If you cite some examples, maybe someone can point you in the right
direction. The Gromacs webpage is currently migrating to a new site;
old webpages can be accessed by appending old to the URL, i.e.
http://oldwww.gromacs.org http://oldwww.gromacs.org/ is the old
home page.

 
For example I checked http://www.gromacs.org/WIKI-import/PRODRG as you 
mentioned, but I can not open links on the page. All of them (check 
force field for example) can not open with like this message Site 
settings could not be loaded...


Use Google to search for PRODRG; the link in the wiki article is incorrect.  But 
as I said above, for your purposes, PRODRG is not useful.


Is it the page I should use to get a pdb file for my system?? I really 
appreciate if you let me know the exact web-address to use PRODRG or 
xLeap (?).
 


Use Google to find things.

This page is probably where you will want to start:

http://www.gromacs.org/WIKI-import/Carbon_Nanotube

-Justin


Thanks a lot,
Jamie
 




-Justin

Thanks for your help,
Jamie

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Rodrigo faccioli
rodrigo_facci...@uol.com.br
mailto:rodrigo_facci...@uol.com.br
mailto:rodrigo_facci...@uol.com.br
mailto:rodrigo_facci...@uol.com.br wrote:

   Hi,

   If I understood your question, do you want to know how can
you start
   a simulation? So, if I'm correct I recommend this link
   http://www.gromacs.org/WIKI-import/Main_Page/Beginners to you. In
   this link, there is flowsheet file which is the flowchart to
Gromacs
   simulation.

   Answered your question a little more specific, although
basically,after you get the pdb file, you need to run the
pdb2gmx program. The
   link above explains more details about it.

   I hope that this email helped you.

   Cheers,
   --
   Rodrigo Antonio Faccioli
   Ph.D Student in Electrical Engineering
   University of Sao Paulo - USP
   Engineering School of Sao Carlos - EESC
   Department of Electrical Engineering - SEL
   Intelligent System in Structure Bioinformatics
   http://laips.sel.eesc.usp.br http://laips.sel.eesc.usp.br/
http://laips.sel.eesc.usp.br/

   Phone: 55 (16) 3373-9366 Ext 229
   Curriculum Lattes - http://lattes.cnpq.br/1025157978990218


   On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Jamie Seyed
jamie.se...@gmail.com mailto:jamie.se...@gmail.com
   mailto:jamie.se...@gmail.com
mailto:jamie.se...@gmail.com wrote:

   Hi,

   I have a basic question (since I am new). For starting any
   simulation as I understand, is to find a .pdb or .gor
file. Pdb
   files for proteins are already there, but for a new
system what
   is the easiest and quick way to find it (which software etc).
   What about .gro files?

   
   I appreciate your help for solve my basic problems.


   Thanks, Jamie


   

Re: [gmx-users] PDB and GRO files

2009-07-21 Thread Vitaly V. Chaban
Yeah, we are friendly. :)

Don't hesitate to ask if you experience future problems.

~ Vitaly


On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Jamie Seyed jamie.se...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you for your help and comments.
 -Jamie




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Re: [gmx-users] PDB and GRO files

2009-07-21 Thread Alexandre Suman de Araujo

Hi Jamie.

Another (free)options to generate the coordinate files (pdb or gro, they are
basically the same and can be converted into another using the trjconv tool)
are Molden and VMD.

With Molden you can build a molecule from scratch easily. I recommend it to
draw
small molecules like drugs.

VMD (version 1.8.7) has two tools that can be what you are looking for. With
Molefacture plugin you can draw small molecules and peptides. With Nanotube
Builder plugin you can easily build the CNTs you are interested. To construct
fullerenes I don't konw any VMD plugin, but probably somebody has already done
some plugin or script to generate this kind of molecules, try to search in
google by fullerenes and VMD

Cheers


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Quoting Jamie Seyed jamie.se...@gmail.com:


Hi Justin,

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:




Jamie Seyed wrote:


Hi,
Thanks for your comments. But I do not know how to get (or make) the pdb
file if it is not made (let say for a new system). Are you using special
software to do that to make a pdb or gro file, before starting the
simulation?



That's going to depend entirely upon what that system is.  Building a
protein or peptide is not so trivial.  Building a small molecule is fairly
straightforward using programs like PRODRG (online) or xLeap (part of
AmberTools).

That said, if your goal is to simulate some arbitrary small molecules, the
previous advice of using pdb2gmx will not apply.  You will have to build the
topologies yourself.



Is the result of using these programs a pdb file or gro.. would you
please explain a little bit?
The systems that I want to simulate are fullerene and CNT. But before that I
will simulate a box of water, spce. In this case is it ok to use
spc216.pdb (??) or I should use the programs you mentioned?
Sorry for these simple questions..




Another thing: It is not possible for me to open some web-pages that users

are referring to (some of them are crucial to get the answer)!! Did
you face
with the same problem or there is new web-address for them??




If you cite some examples, maybe someone can point you in the right
direction. The Gromacs webpage is currently migrating to a new site; old
webpages can be accessed by appending old to the URL, i.e.
http://oldwww.gromacs.org is the old home page.



For example I checked http://www.gromacs.org/WIKI-import/PRODRG as you
mentioned, but I can not open links on the page. All of them (check force
field for example) can not open with like this message Site settings could
not be loaded...
Is it the page I should use to get a pdb file for my system?? I really
appreciate if you let me know the exact web-address to use PRODRG or xLeap
(?).

Thanks a lot,
Jamie





-Justin

 Thanks for your help,

Jamie

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Rodrigo faccioli 
rodrigo_facci...@uol.com.br mailto:rodrigo_facci...@uol.com.br wrote:

   Hi,

   If I understood your question, do you want to know how can you start
   a simulation? So, if I'm correct I recommend this link
   http://www.gromacs.org/WIKI-import/Main_Page/Beginners to you. In
   this link, there is flowsheet file which is the flowchart to Gromacs
   simulation.

   Answered your question a little more specific, although basically,
 after you get the pdb file, you need to run the pdb2gmx program. The
   link above explains more details about it.

   I hope that this email helped you.

   Cheers,
   --
   Rodrigo Antonio Faccioli
   Ph.D Student in Electrical Engineering
   University of Sao Paulo - USP
   Engineering School of Sao Carlos - EESC
   Department of Electrical Engineering - SEL
   Intelligent System in Structure Bioinformatics
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   On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Jamie Seyed jamie.se...@gmail.com
   mailto:jamie.se...@gmail.com wrote:

   Hi,

   I have a basic question (since I am new). For starting any
   simulation as I understand, is to find a .pdb or .gor file. Pdb
   files for proteins are already there, but for a new system what
   is the easiest and quick way to find it (which software etc).
   What about .gro files?


   I appreciate your help for solve my basic problems.

   Thanks,