Re: [gmx-users] Basic Query

2007-06-20 Thread Martin Höfling
Am Mittwoch, 20. Juni 2007 schrieb priyanka srivastava:

 I am currently involved in doing a lipid-peptide
 simulation under NPAT conditions. The way I have
 applied NPAT condition is as follows:

 ref_p   =  0 1
 compressibility =  0.0 4.5e-5

with semiisotropic?

 Although while performing analysis it shows that the x
 and y dimensions are constant but still I am not sure
 about the way I have applied NPAT. Could somone please
 tell me the basis behind it?

If i am remembering correctly, this is what above values should do:

first dimension is x-y second one is the z direction. Reference pressure is 1 
for both (obviously makes sense) whereas compressibility set to 0 for x-y 
plane prevents box changes in x and y direction. So only z-direction remains 
for adjusting pressure.

 Another thing is I have used vdwtype: cutoff.
 But my intention is not to use the twin range cutoff
 at all!! In my case rlist = rcoulomb = rvdw, i.e. all
 three are same!! Is this alright? (the coulombtype
 =  PME)

Sorry, didn't get that part of your question. Can you post relevant parts of 
your mdp and specify it further? Chapter 7 says that parameters for PME are 
fourierspacing and pme_order, rcoulomb should not be used then.

Cheers
Martin
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Re: [gmx-users] Basic Query

2007-06-20 Thread priyanka srivastava
Hie,

Many thanks for your reply.

Yes I have used semi-isotropic coupling.

Another doubt is why only a value of 4.5e-5?

I have used PME and have mentioned rcoulomb in the
.mdp file too, which as is pointed out by you, has no
meaning!! But does this mean that my mdp file is
wrong? Because if PME does not use rcoulomb it shud
simply ignore the value.
Actually I do not want to use twin range cutoff. So, I
have given rvdw = rlist. Is this alright?
Portion of my mdp file looks like this:

; Electrostatics
coulombtype =  PME
fourier_nx  =  6.4
fourier_ny  =  5.0
fourier_nz  =  8.1
pme_order   =  4
rcoulomb=  1.5
rvdw=  1.5

Also since I have not specified vdwtype in the mdp
file, so it automatically takes Cut-off.

regards,
Pri...


--- Martin Höfling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Am Mittwoch, 20. Juni 2007 schrieb priyanka
 srivastava:
 
  I am currently involved in doing a lipid-peptide
  simulation under NPAT conditions. The way I have
  applied NPAT condition is as follows:
 
  ref_p   =  0 1
  compressibility =  0.0 4.5e-5
 
 with semiisotropic?
 
  Although while performing analysis it shows that
 the x
  and y dimensions are constant but still I am not
 sure
  about the way I have applied NPAT. Could somone
 please
  tell me the basis behind it?
 
 If i am remembering correctly, this is what above
 values should do:
 
 first dimension is x-y second one is the z
 direction. Reference pressure is 1 
 for both (obviously makes sense) whereas
 compressibility set to 0 for x-y 
 plane prevents box changes in x and y direction. So
 only z-direction remains 
 for adjusting pressure.
 
  Another thing is I have used vdwtype: cutoff.
  But my intention is not to use the twin range
 cutoff
  at all!! In my case rlist = rcoulomb = rvdw, i.e.
 all
  three are same!! Is this alright? (the coulombtype
  =  PME)
 
 Sorry, didn't get that part of your question. Can
 you post relevant parts of 
 your mdp and specify it further? Chapter 7 says that
 parameters for PME are 
 fourierspacing and pme_order, rcoulomb should not be
 used then.
 
 Cheers
   Martin
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Re: [gmx-users] Basic Query

2007-06-20 Thread Mark Abraham

priyanka srivastava wrote:


I have used PME and have mentioned rcoulomb in the
.mdp file too, which as is pointed out by you, has no
meaning!! But does this mean that my mdp file is
wrong? Because if PME does not use rcoulomb it shud
simply ignore the value.


As you'd see by reading sections 4.9 and 7.3.9 of the manual, Martin's 
statement isn't right. The grid dimensions are controlled by the two 
parameters he mentioned, but there are plenty of other parameters that 
influence PME.


You're right, in that if mdp file parameters will be ignored then the 
value you use isn't relevant.



Actually I do not want to use twin range cutoff. So, I
have given rvdw = rlist. Is this alright?


Yes, see section 4.6.3. This is only relevant for vdw since coulombtype 
= PME



Portion of my mdp file looks like this:

; Electrostatics
coulombtype =  PME
fourier_nx  =  6.4
fourier_ny  =  5.0
fourier_nz  =  8.1
pme_order   =  4
rcoulomb=  1.5
rvdw=  1.5


Assuming you got these values from somewhere sensible and that they're 
consistent with the force field you're using, then this will give you 
some numbers that have at least as good a chance of corresponding to 
reality as anything :-)



Also since I have not specified vdwtype in the mdp
file, so it automatically takes Cut-off.


Set it specifically, so that you don't have to remember what the default 
is in a year's time.


Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] Basic Query

2007-06-20 Thread David van der Spoel

priyanka srivastava wrote:

Hie,

Many thanks for your reply.

Yes I have used semi-isotropic coupling.

Another doubt is why only a value of 4.5e-5?

I have used PME and have mentioned rcoulomb in the
.mdp file too, which as is pointed out by you, has no
meaning!! But does this mean that my mdp file is
wrong? Because if PME does not use rcoulomb it shud
simply ignore the value.
Actually I do not want to use twin range cutoff. So, I
have given rvdw = rlist. Is this alright?
Portion of my mdp file looks like this:

; Electrostatics
coulombtype =  PME
fourier_nx  =  6.4
fourier_ny  =  5.0
fourier_nz  =  8.1

these numbers should be integers



pme_order   =  4
rcoulomb=  1.5
rvdw=  1.5

Also since I have not specified vdwtype in the mdp
file, so it automatically takes Cut-off.

regards,
Pri...


--- Martin Höfling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Am Mittwoch, 20. Juni 2007 schrieb priyanka
srivastava:


I am currently involved in doing a lipid-peptide
simulation under NPAT conditions. The way I have
applied NPAT condition is as follows:

ref_p   =  0 1
compressibility =  0.0 4.5e-5

with semiisotropic?


Although while performing analysis it shows that

the x

and y dimensions are constant but still I am not

sure

about the way I have applied NPAT. Could somone

please

tell me the basis behind it?

If i am remembering correctly, this is what above
values should do:

first dimension is x-y second one is the z
direction. Reference pressure is 1 
for both (obviously makes sense) whereas
compressibility set to 0 for x-y 
plane prevents box changes in x and y direction. So
only z-direction remains 
for adjusting pressure.



Another thing is I have used vdwtype: cutoff.
But my intention is not to use the twin range

cutoff

at all!! In my case rlist = rcoulomb = rvdw, i.e.

all

three are same!! Is this alright? (the coulombtype
=  PME)

Sorry, didn't get that part of your question. Can
you post relevant parts of 
your mdp and specify it further? Chapter 7 says that
parameters for PME are 
fourierspacing and pme_order, rcoulomb should not be

used then.

Cheers
Martin
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Re: [gmx-users] Basic Query

2007-06-20 Thread Martin Höfling
Am Mittwoch, 20. Juni 2007 schrieb Mark Abraham:

 As you'd see by reading sections 4.9 and 7.3.9 of the manual, Martin's
 statement isn't right. The grid dimensions are controlled by the two
 parameters he mentioned, but there are plenty of other parameters that
 influence PME.

Oh, I didn't checked 4.9. Then of course rlist makes sense too for coulomb 
interactions with PME.

 Set it specifically, so that you don't have to remember what the default
 is in a year's time.

... and look in your own mdp file before making statements :-)

Best
Martin
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