Re: [gmx-users] How to set up constraint distcance pulling

2012-06-07 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



On 6/7/12 7:38 AM, xiaowu759 wrote:

Dear gmxers,
I am performing COM pulling using GMX4.0.7, to obtain the PMF as a function of
distance between the COMs of two molecules. However, quite strange resuluts are
generated, i.e., the distance can not be fixed at the value defined by
pull_init1. The pull opinions are given below. Could you please tell me how to
deal with this? Thanks a lot for any reply.


How far away from the target value are the results in terms of COM distance?


Chaofu Wu
;Pull opinions
pull = constraint
pull_geometry = distance
;pull_dim = Y Y Y


The comment here has no effect; pull_dim defaults to Y Y Y.


pull_group0 = r1
pull_group1 = r2
pull_nstxout = 0
pull_nstfout = 5
pull_init1 = 0.80


How does this pull_init1 value compare to the COM separation in the coordinate 
file?  If the distance is not very close, the constraint algorithm may fail.


-Justin

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Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
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Re: [gmx-users] How to set up constraint distcance pulling

2012-06-07 Thread xiaowu759
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 07:59:27 -0400
From: Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] How to set up constraint distcance pulling
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Thank you very much!
 
On 6/7/12 7:38 AM, xiaowu759 wrote:
 Dear gmxers,
 I am performing COM pulling using GMX4.0.7, to obtain the PMF as a function 
 of
 distance between the COMs of two molecules. However, quite strange resuluts 
 are
 generated, i.e., the distance can not be fixed at the value defined by
pull_init1. The pull opinions are given below. Could you please tell me how to
 deal with this? Thanks a lot for any reply.

How far away from the target value are the results in terms of COM distance?
A: very far, several hundreds vs. 0.8 nm
 Chaofu Wu
 ;Pull opinions
 pull = constraint
 pull_geometry = distance
 ;pull_dim = Y Y Y

The comment here has no effect; pull_dim defaults to Y Y Y.
A: Yes
 pull_group0 = r1
 pull_group1 = r2
 pull_nstxout = 0
 pull_nstfout = 5
 pull_init1 = 0.80

How does this pull_init1 value compare to the COM separation in the coordinate 
file? If the distance is not very close, the constraint algorithm may fail.
A: The COM separation in the coordinate file is 0.567 nm, which should be not 
too larger than 0.80 defined by pull_init1. 
-Justin

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jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
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Re: [gmx-users] How to set up constraint distcance pulling

2012-06-07 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



On 6/7/12 9:14 AM, xiaowu759 wrote:

Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 07:59:27 -0400
From: Justin A. Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu mailto:jalem...@vt.edu
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] How to set up constraint distcance pulling
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Thank you very much!

On 6/7/12 7:38 AM, xiaowu759 wrote:
  Dear gmxers,
  I am performing COM pulling using GMX4.0.7, to obtain the PMF as a function 
of
  distance between the COMs of two molecules. However, quite strange resuluts 
are
  generated, i.e., the distance can not be fixed at the value defined by
 pull_init1. The pull opinions are given below. Could you please tell me how 
to
  deal with this? Thanks a lot for any reply.

 How far away from the target value are the results in terms of COM distance?
A: very far, several hundreds vs. 0.8 nm


A distance of several hundred nm would indicate to me that the system blew up.


  Chaofu Wu
  ;Pull opinions
  pull = constraint
  pull_geometry = distance
  ;pull_dim = Y Y Y

 The comment here has no effect; pull_dim defaults to Y Y Y.
A: Yes
  pull_group0 = r1
  pull_group1 = r2
  pull_nstxout = 0
  pull_nstfout = 5
  pull_init1 = 0.80

 How does this pull_init1 value compare to the COM separation in the coordinate
 file? If the distance is not very close, the constraint algorithm may fail.
A: The COM separation in the coordinate file is 0.567 nm, which should be not
too larger than 0.80 defined by pull_init1.


That's a 29% difference, which is quite large.  If constraints are not easily 
satisfied, the simulation can blow up.  Your statement above makes that seem 
very likely.  Your restraint distance should match the actual coordinates very 
closely, otherwise you will likely need to equilibrate better under e.g. an 
umbrella potential and relatively weak force constant to obtain better starting 
structures if you're intent on using a rigid constraint for the PMF calculation.


-Justin

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Research Scientist
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin


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