Re: Re: [gmx-users] Re: Leaflet of Bilayer

2008-09-21 Thread minnale
  
Thanks for the response
Just diverting this topic to about specific number of popc molecules.

I created the bilayer by using genconf command 
genconf -f popc128a.pdb -o out.gro -dist 0 0 0 -nbox 2 1 1 (as I posted   in my 
previous mail) generated output file contain 128 popc in each leaflet of 
bilayer. 

If you see original popc box dimensions 6.1x6.2x6.9 (means in all dimensions 
popc number almost same)but with genconf command above mentioned options 
created box values 12x6.1x6.9. I dont want that many popc molecules because in 
X-dimension too many popc molecules are present.   

1.is there anyway to reduce those popc molecules from 128 to 80/90 popc 
molecules? or 
2.I wanted to create popc molecules 80 or 90 in eachleaflet is it possible to 
generate?

These are may be trivial queries
Could you give suggest me please
Thanks in advance.


Thanks Justin and Nicolas for gave suggestions.
I have tried with Nicolas suggested command in VMD Tkconsole, its showing 
whole popc molecules but not leaflet. I typed the command in Tkconsole like 
this

[atomselect top name P8 and z0] num
it has showed 201, means the total number popc molecues in the .gro file.
Could you tell any suggestion

It's probably because your system is not center on 0.0. By default, Gromacs 
center boxes on lenght/2
It's probably because your system is not centered on 0.0. By default, Gromacs 
centers boxes on lenght/2
.. Sorry for the grammar, I'm not well awake this morning.


Thanks in advance.
e
  
   Hi Jochen thanks for your reply
   I have gone through this recent mail
   http://www.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2008-September/036508.html
   more over if I use genconf command like this
   genconf -f .gro -o out -nbox 2 1 1 -dist 0 0 0 its adding 128 in
   eachleaflet I dont wany that many popc molecules.
  
   1.Is it wrong if I increase the popc molecules by using genbox?
  
   It is best to use genconf, because then the periodic images of the
   unit cell remain intact, that is, since you're using a
   pre-equilibrated bilayer, it's better to not snip chunks out of it.
   You can deal with that by sufficient equilibration, however.
  
   It is also easier to use genconf, because you then know exactly how
   many lipids you are dealing with (in regards to your previous
   message).  You could probably write some script to tell you which
   lipid is in a given leaflet based on whether a certain atom (i.e., P8
   or something else) is above or below the center of the bilayer.
 In case you use VMD, you can get the number of phospholipid per leaflet
 with the following command:
 
 [atomselect top name P8 and z0] num
 
 This will give you the number of PC in the upper leaflet, assuming 1)
 the phosphorus atom is named P8 and 2) the bilayer is center on 0.0
 along the z axis.
 
 Nicolas


 
  
   2.Is there anyway to increase popc and water numbers by mentioning
   specific molecules number?
  
   Not that I'm aware of.  There is a -maxsol option in genbox, but that
   is for capping the amount of water molecules added to a box.
  
   -Justin
  
   Could you suggest me
   Thanks in advance.
  
   On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 Jochen Hub wrote :
minnale wrote:
 
  Hi all,
 I have extended popc bilayer(intial popc.pdb from Dr.Tielmen
   site) by using genbox command, I issued
  genbox -cs popc128a.gro -o out.gro -box 9.2 9.2 6.9 it ran
   successfully with increase of popc and water molecules.
   Now I want to visualise this out file in VMD in a way that in
   eachleaflet how many popc molecules and water residues are there, May
   be this is trivial query.
  Could you give me suggestion.

If you want to enlarge a membrane patch, use genconf. Not genbox!

jochen



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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Leaflet of Bilayer

2008-09-19 Thread Nicolas Sapay

Nicolas Sapay wrote:

minnale wrote:


 



Thanks Justin and Nicolas for gave suggestions.
I have tried with Nicolas suggested command in VMD Tkconsole, its 
showing whole popc molecules but not leaflet. I typed the command in 
Tkconsole like this


[atomselect top name P8 and z0] num
it has showed 201, means the total number popc molecues in the .gro 
file.

Could you tell any suggestion

It's probably because your system is not center on 0.0. By default, 
Gromacs center boxes on lenght/2
It's probably because your system is not centered on 0.0. By default, 
Gromacs centers boxes on lenght/2

.. Sorry for the grammar, I'm not well awake this morning.



Thanks in advance.
e
 
  Hi Jochen thanks for your reply
  I have gone through this recent mail
  
http://www.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2008-September/036508.html

  more over if I use genconf command like this
  genconf -f .gro -o out -nbox 2 1 1 -dist 0 0 0 its adding 128 in
  eachleaflet I dont wany that many popc molecules.
 
  1.Is it wrong if I increase the popc molecules by using genbox?
 
  It is best to use genconf, because then the periodic images of the
  unit cell remain intact, that is, since you're using a
  pre-equilibrated bilayer, it's better to not snip chunks out of it.
  You can deal with that by sufficient equilibration, however.
 
  It is also easier to use genconf, because you then know exactly how
  many lipids you are dealing with (in regards to your previous
  message).  You could probably write some script to tell you which
  lipid is in a given leaflet based on whether a certain atom 
(i.e., P8

  or something else) is above or below the center of the bilayer.
In case you use VMD, you can get the number of phospholipid per leaflet
with the following command:

[atomselect top name P8 and z0] num

This will give you the number of PC in the upper leaflet, assuming 1)
the phosphorus atom is named P8 and 2) the bilayer is center on 0.0
along the z axis.

Nicolas



 
  2.Is there anyway to increase popc and water numbers by mentioning
  specific molecules number?
 
  Not that I'm aware of.  There is a -maxsol option in genbox, but 
that

  is for capping the amount of water molecules added to a box.
 
  -Justin
 
  Could you suggest me
  Thanks in advance.
 
  On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 Jochen Hub wrote :
   minnale wrote:

 Hi all,
I have extended popc bilayer(intial popc.pdb from 
Dr.Tielmen

  site) by using genbox command, I issued
 genbox -cs popc128a.gro -o out.gro -box 9.2 9.2 6.9 it ran
  successfully with increase of popc and water molecules.
  Now I want to visualise this out file in VMD in a way that in
  eachleaflet how many popc molecules and water residues are 
there, May

  be this is trivial query.
 Could you give me suggestion.
   
   If you want to enlarge a membrane patch, use genconf. Not genbox!
   
   jochen



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