Re: [gmx-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: umbrella potential

2009-09-27 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Stefan Hoorman wrote:



Ok. The histogram is the actual result. As I said, my windows are all 
there, all the reaction coordinates I mentioned before are there to be 
analysed and in the correct order, but the result comes always the same 
way. This histogram is the actual result.


Then all your sampling is occurring in one window.  That's your problem.  I 
don't know how you're generating your inputs for the different windows, but 
likely something is going wrong there.


I will try pulling in only one direction then. Should have the results 
in a few days.


Probably won't make a difference.  The problem more likely lies in what I've 
described above.


-Justin


Thank you




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Re: [gmx-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: umbrella potential

2009-09-21 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Stefan Hoorman wrote:


Stefan Hoorman wrote:

  I am starting again my calculations for the real system and this am
  going to use as starting positions distances in intervals of
0.1nm. Some
  of them aren't really 0.1nm apart since the distance between the
  twogroups in my first trajectory does not always increase in a steady
  way, but the average distance between them is close enough to
0.1nm. I
  looked back in the mailing list and found something about applying
  restraints to these simulation windows. I imagine these
restraints refer
  to the umbrella potential still on and not actual restraining as in
  adding -DPOSRES, right?

Without a link to the post you're reading, I can't comment on that.
 It probably
refers to the umbrella biasing (restraining) force, but without
context, that's
just a guess.

  One other thing I've noticed is that the distance between my groups
  decrease in several of my windows, as one would expect since the two
  structures still interact with each other, and in some cases they get
  back to the original distance prior to the separation. Is this normal
  for the WHAM analysis?

I don't understand what you mean.  There should be some fluctuation
about a mean
position in each window.  The umbrella potential maintains this
distance, on
average, if you're doing things right.

Justin


Ok, here is what I meant. I use each of the starting position extracted 
from my original pulling trajectory (i mean the trajectory with 
pull_rate  =  0.01) to simulate each window. Each of these windows 
still have the umbrella force constant (pull_k1 = 35) but now have 
pull_rate = 0. My system, though, does not fluctuate about a mean 
position in each window. My system returns to the initial dimer or tries 
to if the distance is too big and the simulation time not long enough. 
So, whem I analyse the distance between the two groups with g_dist in 
each of the sampling windows, I get a series of decreasing values that 
will eventually return to the 0.9 nm.
For these simulations, I keep the same parameters as in the original 
pull trajectory. The vectors are still the same, the force constant is 
still the same. I only change the pull_rate from 0.01 to 0 and 
pull_geometry from direction to distance (because g_wham asks tells me 
pull_geometry = direction is not supported).

So maybe I am doing something wrong.



If the starting structures are not staying in the desired windows, it seems to 
me that your force constant is not large enough to maintain these positions. 
Try something larger, like 500 or 1000 like I suggested before and see if you 
get a better result.


-Justin





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