RE: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc

2011-10-27 Thread Marzinek, Jan


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Subject: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc

Hi,

I have a problem using

trjconv_g -pbc nojump
or

trjconv_g -pbc nojump -center

I even tried the -pbc whole.

The system is protein with a small molecular, for the first time
period, when I checked on pymol.
they are together, but later they apart, after show cell, protein
inside the cell, while this small molecular outside,

I did not meet such issue before, it's used  to be easy to fix the pbc
problem, but not this one. a bit surprise,

They are supposed to be together,

Thanks for any advice,



I am sure it will help. Follow the workflow!

http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Periodic_Boundary_Conditions?highlight=pbc

Just use the trjconv -h to see each option.

Jan

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Re: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc

2011-10-27 Thread lina
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Marzinek, Jan
 wrote:
>
> 
> From: gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org [gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org] on behalf 
> of lina [lina.lastn...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:47 AM
> To: Discussion list for GROMACS users
> Subject: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a problem using
>
> trjconv_g -pbc nojump
> or
>
> trjconv_g -pbc nojump -center
>
> I even tried the -pbc whole.
>
> The system is protein with a small molecular, for the first time
> period, when I checked on pymol.
> they are together, but later they apart, after show cell, protein
> inside the cell, while this small molecular outside,
>
> I did not meet such issue before, it's used  to be easy to fix the pbc
> problem, but not this one. a bit surprise,
>
> They are supposed to be together,
>
> Thanks for any advice,
>
>
>
> I am sure it will help. Follow the workflow!
>
> http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Periodic_Boundary_Conditions?highlight=pbc
>
> Just use the trjconv -h to see each option.

Ha, I think I have tried those options. That's why I am confused.

Thanks,

>
> Jan
>
> ===
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> PhD Candidate
> Centre for Process Systems Engineering
> Department of Chemical Engineering
> Imperial College London
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> London SW7 2AZ
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Re: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc

2011-10-27 Thread Mark Abraham

On 28/10/2011 2:39 PM, lina wrote:

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Marzinek, Jan
  wrote:


From: gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org [gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org] on behalf 
of lina [lina.lastn...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:47 AM
To: Discussion list for GROMACS users
Subject: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc

Hi,

I have a problem using

trjconv_g -pbc nojump
or

trjconv_g -pbc nojump -center

I even tried the -pbc whole.

The system is protein with a small molecular, for the first time
period, when I checked on pymol.
they are together, but later they apart, after show cell, protein
inside the cell, while this small molecular outside,

I did not meet such issue before, it's used  to be easy to fix the pbc
problem, but not this one. a bit surprise,

They are supposed to be together,

Thanks for any advice,



I am sure it will help. Follow the workflow!

http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Periodic_Boundary_Conditions?highlight=pbc

Just use the trjconv -h to see each option.

Ha, I think I have tried those options. That's why I am confused.

Thanks,


Well, you need to try them better :) If you want your trajectory to keep 
protein and something else together, you will need an index group that 
combines them not jumping, and then combines them centering (or whatever).


Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc

2011-10-27 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi Lina,

Make sure to use a reference in which the molecules are together (clustered)
the way you want them.

Cheers,

Tsjerk

On Oct 27, 2011 11:47 AM, "lina"  wrote:

Hi,

I have a problem using

trjconv_g -pbc nojump
or

trjconv_g -pbc nojump -center

I even tried the -pbc whole.

The system is protein with a small molecular, for the first time
period, when I checked on pymol.
they are together, but later they apart, after show cell, protein
inside the cell, while this small molecular outside,

I did not meet such issue before, it's used  to be easy to fix the pbc
problem, but not this one. a bit surprise,

They are supposed to be together,

Thanks for any advice,
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Re: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc

2011-10-27 Thread lina
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Mark Abraham  wrote:
> On 28/10/2011 2:39 PM, lina wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Marzinek, Jan
>>   wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org [gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org] on
>>> behalf of lina [lina.lastn...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:47 AM
>>> To: Discussion list for GROMACS users
>>> Subject: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a problem using
>>>
>>> trjconv_g -pbc nojump
>>> or
>>>
>>> trjconv_g -pbc nojump -center
>>>
>>> I even tried the -pbc whole.
>>>
>>> The system is protein with a small molecular, for the first time
>>> period, when I checked on pymol.
>>> they are together, but later they apart, after show cell, protein
>>> inside the cell, while this small molecular outside,
>>>
>>> I did not meet such issue before, it's used  to be easy to fix the pbc
>>> problem, but not this one. a bit surprise,
>>>
>>> They are supposed to be together,
>>>
>>> Thanks for any advice,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am sure it will help. Follow the workflow!
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Periodic_Boundary_Conditions?highlight=pbc
>>>
>>> Just use the trjconv -h to see each option.
>>
>> Ha, I think I have tried those options. That's why I am confused.
>>
>> Thanks,
>
> Well, you need to try them better :) If you want your trajectory to keep
> protein and something else together, you will need an index group that
> combines them not jumping, and then combines them centering (or whatever).

Thanks. I did use the index group on trjconv to output the pdb of the
protein and the small molecular.

>
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Re: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc

2011-10-27 Thread lina
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Tsjerk Wassenaar  wrote:
> Hi Lina,
>
> Make sure to use a reference in which the molecules are together (clustered)
> the way you want them.

I used the initial mdrun .tpr. After checking the generated pdb (total
51 frames), the first 28/29 frames both are together, but later are
separated. (the intra_fit also not work as expected).

So I think at beginning the reference initial ones are together.

This .xtc were trjcat together, first 200ns and then extend to 500ns,
the .pdb generated used dt 10ns.
>
> Cheers,
Am I wrong in some places? Actually for other trajectories I had no
problem (use the same way of handling it).

Thanks,
>
> Tsjerk
>
> On Oct 27, 2011 11:47 AM, "lina"  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a problem using
>
> trjconv_g -pbc nojump
> or
>
> trjconv_g -pbc nojump -center
>
> I even tried the -pbc whole.
>
> The system is protein with a small molecular, for the first time
> period, when I checked on pymol.
> they are together, but later they apart, after show cell, protein
> inside the cell, while this small molecular outside,
>
> I did not meet such issue before, it's used  to be easy to fix the pbc
> problem, but not this one. a bit surprise,
>
> They are supposed to be together,
>
> Thanks for any advice,
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Re: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc

2011-10-27 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi Lina,

Try a _translational_ fit on the protein, follwed by a pass with -pbc nojump

Hope it helps,

Tsjerk

On Oct 28, 2011 6:27 AM, "lina"  wrote:

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Tsjerk Wassenaar 
wrote: > Hi Lina, > > Make su...
I used the initial mdrun .tpr. After checking the generated pdb (total
51 frames), the first 28/29 frames both are together, but later are
separated. (the intra_fit also not work as expected).

So I think at beginning the reference initial ones are together.

This .xtc were trjcat together, first 200ns and then extend to 500ns,
the .pdb generated used dt 10ns.
>
> Cheers,
Am I wrong in some places? Actually for other trajectories I had no
problem (use the same way of handling it).

Thanks,

> > Tsjerk > > On Oct 27, 2011 11:47 AM, "lina" 
wrote: > > Hi, > > I have ...
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RE: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc

2011-10-27 Thread vijaya subramanian

-pbc atom

Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:34:28 +0200
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc
From: tsje...@gmail.com
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org

Hi Lina,
Try a _translational_ fit on the protein, follwed by a pass with -pbc nojump
Hope it helps,
Tsjerk
On Oct 28, 2011 6:27 AM, "lina"  wrote:

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Tsjerk Wassenaar  wrote:
> Hi Lina,
>
> Make su...I used the initial mdrun .tpr. After checking the generated pdb 
> (total

51 frames), the first 28/29 frames both are together, but later are

separated. (the intra_fit also not work as expected).



So I think at beginning the reference initial ones are together.



This .xtc were trjcat together, first 200ns and then extend to 500ns,

the .pdb generated used dt 10ns.

>

> Cheers,

Am I wrong in some places? Actually for other trajectories I had no

problem (use the same way of handling it).



Thanks,

>
> Tsjerk
>
> On Oct 27, 2011 11:47 AM, "lina"  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have ...

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Re: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc

2011-10-28 Thread lina
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Tsjerk Wassenaar  wrote:
> Hi Lina,
>
> Try a _translational_ fit on the protein, follwed by a pass with -pbc nojump
>
> Hope it helps,

Hi,

Thanks.

I tried trjconv_g -fit translation -pbc nojump, ideally it should work.

but still not,

after I tried the minidist, I noticed the peak around 270ns,

I attached the figure, what's the possible reason for this distance?

Thanks,

P.S the box dimension   6.21279   6.21279   6.21279


>
> Tsjerk
>
> On Oct 28, 2011 6:27 AM, "lina"  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Tsjerk Wassenaar 
> wrote: > Hi Lina, > > Make su...
>
> I used the initial mdrun .tpr. After checking the generated pdb (total
> 51 frames), the first 28/29 frames both are together, but later are
> separated. (the intra_fit also not work as expected).
>
> So I think at beginning the reference initial ones are together.
>
> This .xtc were trjcat together, first 200ns and then extend to 500ns,
> the .pdb generated used dt 10ns.
>>
>> Cheers,
> Am I wrong in some places? Actually for other trajectories I had no
> problem (use the same way of handling it).
>
> Thanks,
>
>> > Tsjerk > > On Oct 27, 2011 11:47 AM, "lina" 
>> > wrote: > > Hi, > > I have ...
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Re: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc

2011-10-28 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi Lina,

Don't combine fitting, centering and pbc options. It may not work as
expected. That's why the workflow is given. Use separate passes. By the way,
first centering on the protein followed by putting molecules in the box
should also work.

Cheers,

Tsjerk

On Oct 28, 2011 9:01 AM, "lina"  wrote:

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Tsjerk Wassenaar 
wrote: > Hi Lina, >

> Try a _translational_ fit on the protein, follwed by a pass with -pbc
nojump > > Hope it helps,
Hi,

Thanks.

I tried trjconv_g -fit translation -pbc nojump, ideally it should work.

but still not,

after I tried the minidist, I noticed the peak around 270ns,

I attached the figure, what's the possible reason for this distance?

Thanks,

P.S the box dimension   6.21279   6.21279   6.21279

> > Tsjerk > > On Oct 28, 2011 6:27 AM, "lina" 
wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 28...

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Re: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc

2011-10-28 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi Lina,

My previous reply was from before I looked at the graph. Have you
considered that the molecule might be taking a stroll and turn back,
or goes to another side of the protein? Have you looked at the
trajectory, in particular at the trajectory with the jumps removed?

Cheers,

Tsjerk

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Tsjerk Wassenaar  wrote:
> Hi Lina,
>
> Don't combine fitting, centering and pbc options. It may not work as
> expected. That's why the workflow is given. Use separate passes. By the way,
> first centering on the protein followed by putting molecules in the box
> should also work.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tsjerk
>
> On Oct 28, 2011 9:01 AM, "lina"  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Tsjerk Wassenaar 
> wrote: > Hi Lina, >
>
>> Try a _translational_ fit on the protein, follwed by a pass with -pbc
>> nojump > > Hope it helps,
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks.
>
> I tried trjconv_g -fit translation -pbc nojump, ideally it should work.
>
> but still not,
>
> after I tried the minidist, I noticed the peak around 270ns,
>
> I attached the figure, what's the possible reason for this distance?
>
> Thanks,
>
> P.S the box dimension   6.21279   6.21279   6.21279
>
>> > Tsjerk > > On Oct 28, 2011 6:27 AM, "lina" 
>> > wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 28...
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Re: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc

2011-10-28 Thread lina
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Tsjerk Wassenaar  wrote:
> Hi Lina,
>
> My previous reply was from before I looked at the graph. Have you
> considered that the molecule might be taking a stroll and turn back,
Ha ... stroll?!
> or goes to another side of the protein? Have you looked at the
> trajectory, in particular at the trajectory with the jumps removed?

I extracted the parts from 280ns to 300ns, the presentation of that
part protein is not whole.

In the former way, the time since 280ns till the end,  the small
molecular still outside the cell/box. even the minidist is very small
later.

I am not sure how to get the trajectory and view? (ngmx? )
>

Thanks,
> Cheers,
>
> Tsjerk
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Tsjerk Wassenaar  wrote:
>> Hi Lina,
>>
>> Don't combine fitting, centering and pbc options. It may not work as
>> expected. That's why the workflow is given. Use separate passes. By the way,
>> first centering on the protein followed by putting molecules in the box
>> should also work.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tsjerk
>>
>> On Oct 28, 2011 9:01 AM, "lina"  wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Tsjerk Wassenaar 
>> wrote: > Hi Lina, >
>>
>>> Try a _translational_ fit on the protein, follwed by a pass with -pbc
>>> nojump > > Hope it helps,
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> I tried trjconv_g -fit translation -pbc nojump, ideally it should work.
>>
>> but still not,
>>
>> after I tried the minidist, I noticed the peak around 270ns,
>>
>> I attached the figure, what's the possible reason for this distance?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> P.S the box dimension   6.21279   6.21279   6.21279
>>
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>>> > wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 28...
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Re: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc

2011-10-28 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi Lina,

You first remove the jumps from the trajectory. Then you can view that
trajectory with ngmx or with VMD. You can also then extract the frames
around the 'jump' and look at them. But if the molecule goes unstuck
and then crosses the boundary to get stuck to the protein again, it
would give exactly that result: Visually, the molecule seems close,
goes away and apparently gets stuck somewhere floating nowhere. But
the minimal distance to the protein would be really minimal then go
through a maximum and go to the minimal level again.

Cheers,

Tsjerk

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:31 PM, lina  wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Tsjerk Wassenaar  wrote:
>> Hi Lina,
>>
>> My previous reply was from before I looked at the graph. Have you
>> considered that the molecule might be taking a stroll and turn back,
> Ha ... stroll?!
>> or goes to another side of the protein? Have you looked at the
>> trajectory, in particular at the trajectory with the jumps removed?
>
> I extracted the parts from 280ns to 300ns, the presentation of that
> part protein is not whole.
>
> In the former way, the time since 280ns till the end,  the small
> molecular still outside the cell/box. even the minidist is very small
> later.
>
> I am not sure how to get the trajectory and view? (ngmx? )
>>
>
> Thanks,
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tsjerk
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Tsjerk Wassenaar  wrote:
>>> Hi Lina,
>>>
>>> Don't combine fitting, centering and pbc options. It may not work as
>>> expected. That's why the workflow is given. Use separate passes. By the way,
>>> first centering on the protein followed by putting molecules in the box
>>> should also work.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Tsjerk
>>>
>>> On Oct 28, 2011 9:01 AM, "lina"  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Tsjerk Wassenaar 
>>> wrote: > Hi Lina, >
>>>
 Try a _translational_ fit on the protein, follwed by a pass with -pbc
 nojump > > Hope it helps,
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> I tried trjconv_g -fit translation -pbc nojump, ideally it should work.
>>>
>>> but still not,
>>>
>>> after I tried the minidist, I noticed the peak around 270ns,
>>>
>>> I attached the figure, what's the possible reason for this distance?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> P.S the box dimension   6.21279   6.21279   6.21279
>>>
 > Tsjerk > > On Oct 28, 2011 6:27 AM, "lina" 
 > wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 28...
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Re: RE: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc

2011-10-27 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Vijaya,

Can you explain how you think that may help solve the problem? I think it
won't.

Tsjerk

On Oct 28, 2011 7:40 AM, "vijaya subramanian"  wrote:

 -pbc atom

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:34:28 +0200
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] trjconv and -pbc
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Hi Lina, Try a _translational_ fit on the protein, follwed by a pass with
-pbc nojump Hope it help...

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