Re: MyDoom (was: Test)
A debate on Windows vs. FOSS security does have to take into account the applications being run on the operating system. I rarely hear anyone mention that in these discussions. A secure OS does little good if the applications require security to be overridden for them to operate. Regularly I encounter Windows applications that require higher privileges to install or even to run than I would normally be willing to grant users. Or they require considerable analysis to identify just what areas they need extended privileges in which to operate. For example, one of our clients must use a specific program to view CAD drawings which requires Administrator rights to RUN, not just install. So every user in the company has to have administrator rights to view their major customer's attachments! I realize that analysis might identify all the registry keys, directories and files this application needs access to and allow the sysadmin to grant the specific rights required. But, the average end user is not going to do that - especially when the viewer's instructions say it must be run with Administrator privileges. I've seen a number of applications which require Administrator rights to run. I see many that require Administrator (not even the more restrictive Power User) rights to install. Using what I consider reasonable security on a Windows system often means that the end-user cannot install their own software - which many see as a god-given right or, at least, an impediment to their job. I realize installing software can be dicey security-wise and perhaps ought to be limited to a higher-level of security, but requiring high level rights just to install an attachment viewer, a pricing catalog, a font package or a file upload utility (all of which I've encountered recently) seems excessive to me. -- Dan Jenkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Rastech Inc., Bedford, NH, USA --- 1-603-624-7272 *** Technical Support for over a Quarter Century ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Meeting times and locations (was: How 'bout them Linux ...)
Another location, perhaps ... Nashua Public Library Daniel Webster College Rivier College Hesser College ? thanks paulc From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/02/03 Tue PM 09:04:31 EST To: Greater NH Linux User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Meeting times and locations (was: How 'bout them Linux ...) On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, at 9:20am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The location and/or time of the meeting can be a detriment. That's why you'll never see me at Martha's. Elaborate, please. Is it the geographical locale, the general atmosphere, or the schedule? If there are other people reading this who do not attend meetings because of time and/or location, but would attend a meeting held at a potentially more suitable time and/or location, please speak up as well. If, for example, there is a significant demand for meetings on Sunday afternoons in Manchester, it would be valuable to know. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Re: [ON Topic] How 'bout them Linux? Ain't they somethin?!
If so, do you have any activities that you would especially like to do? B Scott said: I've offered (on this list) to give presentations on a couple different subjects. Nobody's actually taken me up on it yet. Gosh! That sounds like a great idea, we need presenters who can present a Front running topic -pc From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/02/03 Tue PM 08:51:21 EST To: Greater NH Linux User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ON Topic] How 'bout them Linux? Ain't they somethin?! On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, at 5:41pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you look for in GNHLUG? Everything that you and others have said: Community, camaraderie, knowledge-sharing with peers, interesting presentations. What brings you to a meeting? My car. ;-) Seriously, I go to meetings mainly when the topic is of particular interest to me. As of the past few years, I've been fairly involved, on a professional level, in many things Linux and FOSS. That means two things: (1) Pretty much all introductory and many intermediate presentations are review for me. This probably means I should be giving presentations instead of listening to them, but see below. (2) Even intermediate presentations on things I haven't encountered before are often uninteresting to me personally, because I'm so worn out from hacking systems professionally that I want to do something non-computer in my off hours. The below from #1 above: (1) I often lack the time to do this sort of thing. (2) Subject matter I am familiar with may not be of interest to the general GNHLUG population. (3) While I know I can impart knowledge with a fair degree of success in written documentation and one-on-one dialog, that does necessarily translate to good presentation skills. I might suck at it. What drives you away from a meeting? Lack of available time. What would it take to get you to bring new members to a meeting? I would have to encounter potential new members. Would you be willing to volunteer for helping to pull off some activity? I am willing to volunteer. When I find I have free time *and* the will to do so, I try to do things like improve the website and attend more meetings. If there's something more I can do, let me know. Note that I'm not volunteering to be a chair or any other piece of furniture. My schedule is too irregular for me to honor that kind of commitment. (I know I'm not alone here. This appears to be a problem that plagues all our members.) Would you be willing to spend a Saturday once or twice a year in staffing some project? I'd even be willing to spend a Saturday (or part of one) several times a year. If so, do you have any activities that you would especially like to do? I've offered (on this list) to give presentations on a couple different subjects. Nobody's actually taken me up on it yet. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Meeting times and locations (was: How 'bout them Linux ...)
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, at 9:20am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The location and/or time of the meeting can be a detriment. That's why you'll never see me at Martha's. Elaborate, please. Is it the geographical locale, the general atmosphere, or the schedule? I live on a farm in Northwood. The quarterly meetings are Wednesdays at 7pm in Nashua. An hour drive (+/-) each way means leaving around 18.00 and getting back home around 22.00 if I don't socailaize. If I'm not going to socialize, why bother going? I have my day-job in Manchester, plus I have many farm chores. I can't afford to pay for help on the farm, so my free time is really at a premium. I almost never go to the CentralLUG meetings in the Concord area (even though it's much closer) because it's a week-night. Do I expect the LUG schedules to be changed to suit me? Of course not. I am one person with (arguably) very different circumstances. I'm just saying that if the meetings were held week-end afternoons instead of weekday nights, I would be much more likely to attend. -- TARogue (Linux user number 234357) The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better, so I installed Linux. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Laptop Speakewr Problem
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, at 9:55am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure why, but I no longer havce sound on my laptop in Linux. I started typing up an elaborate message about investigating sound hardware, but then it occurred to me that it might be something a lot simpler. Run aumix. Are any of your levels set to 0? If so, does changing them to a non-zero value help? Yes, and no. Pcm, Spkr, and Mic were at 0, everything else was at 100. Putting the 3 up to 100 didn't help. -- TARogue (Linux user number 234357) Whether or not Freud was right when he muttered in exasperation that the Irish were the only people who could not be helped by psychoanalysis, there can be no doubt of one thing: the Irish will never change. --Thomas Cahill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Unable to reach any GNHLUG link [was: Your message to gnhlug-discuss awaits moderator approval]
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, at 11:36am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can not reach the archives either. As of yesterday, I could not reach the WEB Site either. H. I can reach both right now. The Apache logs show a typical number of HTTP requests on that day. Are you still having trouble? If so, can you try a traceroute to www.gnhlug.org? Why are the archives no longer publicly accessible? (http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss sez The current archive is only available to the list members.) Thanks, --kevin -- Kevin D. Clark / Cetacean Networks / Portsmouth, N.H. (USA) cetaceannetworks.com!kclark (GnuPG ID: B280F24E) alumni.unh.edu!kdc ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: Meeting times and locations (was: How 'bout them Linux ...)
I would love to attend more lug functions. I can't often justify 4 hours in the car (both ways) from the north country. (Franconia) Jason Kern www.KernBuilt.com 603.823.5150 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:05 PM To: Greater NH Linux User Group Subject: Meeting times and locations (was: How 'bout them Linux ...) On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, at 9:20am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The location and/or time of the meeting can be a detriment. That's why you'll never see me at Martha's. Elaborate, please. Is it the geographical locale, the general atmosphere, or the schedule? If there are other people reading this who do not attend meetings because of time and/or location, but would attend a meeting held at a potentially more suitable time and/or location, please speak up as well. If, for example, there is a significant demand for meetings on Sunday afternoons in Manchester, it would be valuable to know. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
GNHLUG list archives (was: Unable to reach any GNHLUG link)
On 4 Feb 2004, at 9:50am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are the archives no longer publicly accessible? (http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss sez The current archive is only available to the list members.) That was somebody's quick-and-easy solution to the problem of email address harvesting. Given the time demands on the people maintaining GNHLUG's public resources, quick-and-easy counts for a *lot*. I'm not pleased with it as a long-term solution, myself. I firmly believe the list archives should be open and publicly searchable. (The discussions on the list can prove to be a valuable technical resource for others trying to locate information.) Long-term, I would prefer a more sophisticated spam-guard solution. But beggars can't be choosers. :-) -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Laptop Speakewr Problem
On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, at 9:39am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started typing up an elaborate message about investigating sound hardware, but then it occurred to me that it might be something a lot simpler. Run aumix. Are any of your levels set to 0? If so, does changing them to a non-zero value help? Yes, and no. Pcm, Spkr, and Mic were at 0, everything else was at 100. Putting the 3 up to 100 didn't help. Well, PCM is the usual audio out device, so that could have been part of the problem. If you exit and re-enter aumix, do the new settings stick? (We want to make sure nothing else is messing with them.) If the mixer levels are okay, try this cat /usr/lib/python2.2/test/audiotest.au /dev/audio or this cat /usr/lib/python1.5/test/audiotest.au /dev/audio Be warned that that audio clip can sound rather loud and/or bad, so be prepared for a bad noise. (I say to use those clips just because one or the other or both are present on most Red Hat systems.) If that works, then the problem is likely in a higher-level sound subsystem (like KDE's artsd, or GNOME's esd). If that does not work, the problem is likely in the kernel-level sound subsystem. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: GNHLUG list archives (was: Unable to reach any GNHLUG link)
On 4 Feb 2004, at 9:50am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are the archives no longer publicly accessible? (http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss sez The current archive is only available to the list members.) That was somebody's quick-and-easy solution to the problem of email address harvesting. Given the time demands on the people maintaining GNHLUG's public resources, quick-and-easy counts for a *lot*. I'm not pleased with it as a long-term solution, myself. I firmly believe the list archives should be open and publicly searchable. (The discussions on the list can prove to be a valuable technical resource for others trying to locate information.) Long-term, I would prefer a more sophisticated spam-guard solution. I'm not pleased with this either. In fact, I recently encountered a technical problem, did some searching, and lo-and-behold! -- the answer to my question appeared on this very list. The fact that the archives aren't available anymore makes this whole list a lot less useful. But beggars can't be choosers. :-) I recently sent a script to this list that took care of the task of obfuscating email addresses. I have also heard other people mention on this list that MailMan can take care of this. I strongly recommend that the maintainers of the archive consider these two avenues. Regards, --kevin -- Kevin D. Clark / Cetacean Networks / Portsmouth, N.H. (USA) cetaceannetworks.com!kclark (GnuPG ID: B280F24E) alumni.unh.edu!kdc ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: [ON Topic] How 'bout them Linux? Ain't they somethin?!
Is this you mentioned in this article (2nd page) http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1504780,00.asp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If so, do you have any activities that you would especially like to do? B Scott said: I've offered (on this list) to give presentations on a couple different subjects. Nobody's actually taken me up on it yet. Gosh! That sounds like a great idea, we need presenters who can present a Front running topic -pc From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/02/03 Tue PM 08:51:21 EST To: Greater NH Linux User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ON Topic] How 'bout them Linux? Ain't they somethin?! On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, at 5:41pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you look for in GNHLUG? Everything that you and others have said: Community, camaraderie, knowledge-sharing with peers, interesting presentations. What brings you to a meeting? My car. ;-) Seriously, I go to meetings mainly when the topic is of particular interest to me. As of the past few years, I've been fairly involved, on a professional level, in many things Linux and FOSS. That means two things: (1) Pretty much all introductory and many intermediate presentations are review for me. This probably means I should be giving presentations instead of listening to them, but see below. (2) Even intermediate presentations on things I haven't encountered before are often uninteresting to me personally, because I'm so worn out from hacking systems professionally that I want to do something non-computer in my off hours. The below from #1 above: (1) I often lack the time to do this sort of thing. (2) Subject matter I am familiar with may not be of interest to the general GNHLUG population. (3) While I know I can impart knowledge with a fair degree of success in written documentation and one-on-one dialog, that does necessarily translate to good presentation skills. I might suck at it. What drives you away from a meeting? Lack of available time. What would it take to get you to bring new members to a meeting? I would have to encounter potential new members. Would you be willing to volunteer for helping to pull off some activity? I am willing to volunteer. When I find I have free time *and* the will to do so, I try to do things like improve the website and attend more meetings. If there's something more I can do, let me know. Note that I'm not volunteering to be a chair or any other piece of furniture. My schedule is too irregular for me to honor that kind of commitment. (I know I'm not alone here. This appears to be a problem that plagues all our members.) Would you be willing to spend a Saturday once or twice a year in staffing some project? I'd even be willing to spend a Saturday (or part of one) several times a year. If so, do you have any activities that you would especially like to do? I've offered (on this list) to give presentations on a couple different subjects. Nobody's actually taken me up on it yet. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss -- IBA #15631 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Laptop Speakewr Problem
On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, at 9:39am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started typing up an elaborate message about investigating sound hardware, but then it occurred to me that it might be something a lot simpler. Run aumix. Are any of your levels set to 0? If so, does changing them to a non-zero value help? Yes, and no. Pcm, Spkr, and Mic were at 0, everything else was at 100. Putting the 3 up to 100 didn't help. Well, PCM is the usual audio out device, so that could have been part of the problem. If you exit and re-enter aumix, do the new settings stick? (We want to make sure nothing else is messing with them.) I rebooted, and they stuck, so I guess that was it. Yay!!! Thanks! -- TARogue (Linux user number 234357) There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers. -Richard Feynman, physicist, Nobel laureate (1918-1988) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
NTP
Well, my favorite rdate server (clock.psu.edu) seems to no longer be serving up time via the (admittedly antiquated) rdate format so I'm forcing myself to foray into the fast paced ... er ... real time paced world of ntp. I'm running debian stable and pulled down the ntp package which appears to be running protocol 4 by default. I've chosen several open ntp servers (after properly speaking with the coordinators, of course). My plan is to have my gateway box (a linux server doing nat'ing for me) connect out to these stratum 2 servers, and to have my internal machines connect to the gateway. Here's the thing, I can't seem to figure out how to tell the internal machines not to act as a time server? My ntp.conf looks like this: # /etc/ntp.conf, configuration for ntpd # ntpd will use syslog() if logfile is not defined #logfile /var/log/ntpd driftfile /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift statsdir /var/log/ntpstats/ statistics loopstats peerstats clockstats filegen loopstats file loopstats type day enable filegen peerstats file peerstats type day enable filegen clockstats file clockstats type day enable ### lines starting 'server' are auto generated, ### use dpkg-reconfigure to modify those lines. server 192.168.1.1 However, if I do a netstat -upan | grep ntp, I get: # netstat -upan | grep ntp udp0 0 192.168.1.67:123 0.0.0.0:* 3403/ntpd udp0 0 127.0.0.1:123 0.0.0.0:* 3403/ntpd udp0 0 0.0.0.0:123 0.0.0.0:* 3403/ntpd (My local ip is 192.168.1.67) It looks to me like I'm waiting for incoming connections on 123, and therefor acting as a time server? I know I'm behind a NAT and all, but it seems like there should be a way to act simply as a client and not a server? -- Failure is NOT an option! It comes bundled with Windows(TM). Cole Tuininga Lead Developer Code Energy, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID: 0x43E5755D ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
OT: Replacing CPU fan
I have an Intel Pentium 4 2.53 GHz Socket 478 - Bus 533 MHZ - 512 KB L2 Cache CPU with an Intel fan and heatsink on it. The fan started to make loud noises, and so I'm eager to replace it, although the noises have since stopped. (I know the noise was from the CPU fan, not the case fan, because I removed the case and located the source of the sound). The fan is under warranty, but I have to carry or mail the case to Wakefield, MA. I'm contemplating buying a $20 fan and replacing it myself, but I've heard the warnings about breaking the clips, or plastic tabs, or damaging some part of the motherboard with an errant slip of the screwdriver, etc. With the considerable sysAdmin talent on the list, I'm wondering what would you recommend to a hardware novice? What is the assumed success rate of this task for someone who is mechanically inclined but not experienced in this procedure? Any suggestions for finding a good fan? I've searched places like TigerDirect and NewEgg, but I'm not sure how to tell what fan will fit my system. -- FREePHILE We are 'Open' for Business Free and Open Source Software http://www.freephile.com (978) 270-2425 WHO sees a BEACH BUNNY sobbing on a SHAG RUG?! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: OT: Replacing CPU fan
Wakefield, MA. I'm contemplating buying a $20 fan and replacing it myself, but I've heard the warnings about breaking the clips, or plastic tabs, or damaging some part of the motherboard with an errant slip of the screwdriver, etc. You probably won't need a screwdriver. I'd say that unless you're the type that breaks things without trying, go ahead and replace it. Just look twice to see how the fan is hooked on, approach it a bit gingerly (though the fan typically will require some pressure/squeezing force to remove and attach) and you'll be fine. As far as buying one goes, just pick one up anywhere (Best Buy or most anywhere will have one). Even if you get a really cheap fan (IMHO, 99% of them are really cheap:-) chances are you'll have a new machine before the fan dies the second time. -- Regards, | There are 10 kinds of people in the world: .| those who get binary, and those who don't. Randy| ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: NTP
I have run NTP on servers and workstations in the past. My understanding is that the NTP daemon always waits for connections while it is running. It has been a while though .. so I can not say for sure. Recently, I have used ntpdate and a cron job to keep my system time current. no NTP daemons or configuration files to deal with then. The down side is that using ntpdate is not as accurate as using the NTP daemon and syncing with multiple stratum 2 time servers. Josh On Wednesday 04 February 2004 16:37, Cole Tuininga scribbled: Well, my favorite rdate server (clock.psu.edu) seems to no longer be serving up time via the (admittedly antiquated) rdate format so I'm forcing myself to foray into the fast paced ... er ... real time paced world of ntp. I'm running debian stable and pulled down the ntp package which appears to be running protocol 4 by default. I've chosen several open ntp servers (after properly speaking with the coordinators, of course). My plan is to have my gateway box (a linux server doing nat'ing for me) connect out to these stratum 2 servers, and to have my internal machines connect to the gateway. Here's the thing, I can't seem to figure out how to tell the internal machines not to act as a time server? My ntp.conf looks like this: # /etc/ntp.conf, configuration for ntpd # ntpd will use syslog() if logfile is not defined #logfile /var/log/ntpd driftfile /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift statsdir /var/log/ntpstats/ statistics loopstats peerstats clockstats filegen loopstats file loopstats type day enable filegen peerstats file peerstats type day enable filegen clockstats file clockstats type day enable ### lines starting 'server' are auto generated, ### use dpkg-reconfigure to modify those lines. server 192.168.1.1 However, if I do a netstat -upan | grep ntp, I get: # netstat -upan | grep ntp udp0 0 192.168.1.67:123 0.0.0.0:* 3403/ntpd udp0 0 127.0.0.1:123 0.0.0.0:* 3403/ntpd udp0 0 0.0.0.0:123 0.0.0.0:* 3403/ntpd (My local ip is 192.168.1.67) It looks to me like I'm waiting for incoming connections on 123, and therefor acting as a time server? I know I'm behind a NAT and all, but it seems like there should be a way to act simply as a client and not a server? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: OT: Replacing CPU fan
Greg, I'll have to contradict Randy a little here in that you may in fact need a screwdriver to remove the old fan. But you do not use the screwdriver in a rotary fashion. (In other words you are not using it to operate on a screw.) A lot of CPU fans nowadays use a fan clip that has a section which stands out to the side of the clip. It is designed such that if you use a flat blade screwdriver (not a Philips head) it will slide nicely into the slot (not really but I can't think of a better name) made by that out standing clip section. You then push down about a quarter inch at which point you can then push the screwdriver handle sideways (toward the CPU fan) and the bottom of the clip will move sideways (away from the CPU in an equal and opposite reaction). (Rocket Science! Oh No!) Then let up on the pressure and the the whole thing comes apart. When putting a new fan on BE SURE to obtain either some 'phase transition material' (which is visually like double sided tape) or some heat transfer paste (I know that CompUSA sells it). Be sure to clean the old stuff off the top of the CPU. Put on the new heat transfer stuff, then put the new fan on. If you leave out the heat transfer stuff you may slowly cook your CPU and that would be bad. -- Dan Coutu Managing Director Snowy Owl Internet Consulting, LLC http://www.snowy-owl.com/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
