Re: GIMP 2.2 splash screen contest
Greg Rundlett wrote: All the entries are here: http://gimp.org/contest/gallery.cgi My entry is here: http://gimp.org/contest/gallery.cgi?display=imagename=2004120406421820315 There is also an unofficial voting page[1] that actually makes it easy to see the whole gallery of images. [1] http://www.mukund.org/temp/gimp/judge/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Question about installing Linux on a Dell
Hello everyone! I recently purchased (and am waiting for the delivery of ) a new Dell Inspiron 9200 ( 17 display, 1920x1200, 1 gig ram, 100gig internal hd, 250 gig external hd, dual 9cell batteries) which I pimped out as it is going to have to last me a while. I have been doing some searching on places like google and cannot really find anyone that has installed Linux on this particular model. I have even checked www.*linux*-laptop.net and there is no listing for this model there. Basically, I am just curious if anyone here on the list has installed linux on this particular model and if so, did you have any problems? Did anything fail to work? Thank you in advance and Happy Holidays! Regards, Jeff Kirkland ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Question about installing Linux on a Dell
I don't have specific info about the laptop in question but, unfortunately, it seems to be very common these days for laptop manufacturers (as well as the manufacturers of the various components) to be just howlingly stupid about Linux support. It's infuriating! For example, I have Debian running on my HP zd7000 (which I bought for its gloriously huge screen) and the results are mixed. Debian rocks, of course, so the parts that work are working very well, but three key components (video, WLAN and memory-card reader) are either poorly supported or entirely unsupported, all as a direct result of the manufacturers' mindlessly phobic attitudes about publishing their HW specs. Nvidia do at least provide a precompiled module for their GeForce FX Go 5600 graphics controller, which works mostly OK. But the dimwits at Broadcom refuse to even consider suporting the BCM4306 WLAN controller; same for the ENE Technology CB710 card reader, so the only chance for those components to be used with Linux is if I try one of the fake-out hacks like NDIS wrapper, something I've so far not got around to trying. So if you're not having any luck finding info about Linux support for your laptop as a whole then you might try searching for war stories about (lack of) Linux support for the various specfic components included in your model, drawing on other people's experiences with laptops that incorporate them. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: unformat??
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 09:39, Benjamin Scott wrote: For my own personal data, I learned that lesson the hard way myself. Then a few years later, I became complacent and got to learn it again. Reality is a persistent instructor. I burn my backups onto DVD-R(W) these days, as well as keep them on multiple machines. I've had too many HDs simply go south and quit working, talk about reality being a teacher. -- Fred -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- place [hey] in your subject. The mass of humans on planet Earth -- regard them as the ebbing seas in the winds of change. They ebb, they flow, they know not where to go. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: unformat??
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 09:56, Mark Komarinski wrote: ... There are two kinds of people in the IT world: Those who make backup copies, and those who will wish they had. The third is those who have a potential (key word) data crash, panic, discover they didn't really lose the 30G of legally ripped MP3s, then create a two-level backup policy to make sure they don't have to sit in front of their PC to re-rip 200 CDs. Oh yea, and the 2G of digital camera shots that are really irreplaceable. That reminds me. Time to do a backup. There was a big gag about Write-Only Memory some (many) years back. Now there's a backup solution for you. And I have 200 EB of Write-Only Memory I can sell to you *real cheap*. What, you want to be able to *recover* too? Ah, don't bother me with details! I have some old backups onto tape cartridges (Travan) that I can no longer retrieve. I no longer have the software I used for the backup, which used some proprietary format. Nevermind that, the tape themselves have so many dropouts as to be useless anyway. Nevermind that, I forgot where I hid the tapes. Yep, I lost the backups. Oh well... Write-Only Memory is sooo wonderful. -- Fred -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- place [hey] in your subject. The mass of humans on planet Earth -- regard them as the ebbing seas in the winds of change. They ebb, they flow, they know not where to go. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: GIMP 2.2 splash screen contest
On Sat, 2004-12-04 at 04:38, Brian Chabot wrote: ... Many if not all of them look fabulous. Ditto. My major concern though, is whether or when they will work on reducing the load time and footprint for the plugins. Making them load-on-demand would certainly help, as would unloading them when not needed. In advocating Linux to Windows users, I'm frequently asked, Can I still use Photoshop? That reminds me of the 80's where everyone asked does it run Lotus? Since I was big on the Amiga back in those days, the question always drove me nuts. Worse still is I was asked this question by those who *never even used Lotus*. I want to introduce them to GIMP, but when you have a ton of plugins to show off, it takes forever and a day to simply load. Just run Photoshop for them using Crosstalk or some other PC environment emulator / thunker / whatever. My daughter uses Gimp, Photoshop, Corel, and anything else she can get her grubby little hands on on both platforms. She exploits each paint program for its strengths. Load times aren't that much of an issue, since you only do that once per session, or can simply leave it up and running. But, it looks bad when you are trying to sell'em on it. Just tell them it's preloading everything so that it's there *instantly* for them when it really counts. There is nothing more annoying than to wait for a tool to load *when I need it*. Sure it loads up fine with the basic install, but especially when showing someone the Windows port, you get the GTK load to slow it down, and with each and every plugin loading as well The Linux version loads OK for me, but then I am just using the standard plugins it ships with. Gimp is a Unix/Linux app that probably has not been optimized to run under Windows. And loading times have always been an issue for Windows apps. It may be loading all the *interpreters* for all the scripts at app launch, where they would simply be invoked upon scrip run under Linux. Could be wrong about this, but I would not be surprised, since Windows typically does not come bundled with Perl, Python, and whatever else the scripts might be written in. It's bad enough that the move from Photoshop to GIMP is a huge change in GUI... At least if the folks developing GIMP could take a cue from the folks over at OpenOffice.org things might improve in the advocacy arena... I kinda like Gimp's GUI the way it is and would not want to see it changed just to win over a handful of Photoshop lovers. I doubt if there could be a one-for-one mapping without tremendous effort. GUIs are *hard* to do. I'd personally much rather see the effort go into creating more cool plugins for Gimp. Gimp is *not* for the Photoshop crowd, nor would I want to see it lower itself to those standards. :-) Of course, someone *could*, if they wanted to burn the energy, create a Photoshop-looking front-end for Gimp. But I don't see the cost/benefit advantage here. Brian -- Fred -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- place [hey] in your subject. The mass of humans on planet Earth -- regard them as the ebbing seas in the winds of change. They ebb, they flow, they know not where to go. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
ROI in OSS (was: GIMP 2.2 splash screen ...)
On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, at 8:07pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I kinda like Gimp's GUI the way it is and would not want to see it changed just to win over a handful of Photoshop lovers. A handful of Photoshop users? Heh. When it comes to graphics on desktop computers, there's Photoshop, and then there's everything else. It's the Microsoft Office of desktop graphics. Of course, someone *could*, if they wanted to burn the energy, create a Photoshop-looking front-end for Gimp. But I don't see the cost/benefit advantage here. H. Cost/benefit analysis. Return on investment. With a commercial product, you estimate cost, you estimate resulting sales, and subtract the latter from the former. If the result is positive, you do it. It's much harder to quantify things when it comes to a community project like GIMP. Most or all of the labor is unpaid volunteerism; most of the development cost is picked up by individuals. There are no sales figures. Many of the developers are also the users. I'm pretty sure we're either gonna get a Divide by zero or Stack overflow error trying to evaluate that equation. But if your goal is to get as many people as possible to use GIMP, then introducing UI elements designed to aide Photoshop users in a transition would be very valuable indeed. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Question about installing Linux on a Dell
On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, at 12:42pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently purchased ... a new Dell Inspiron 9200 ... I have been doing some searching on places like google and cannot really find anyone that has installed Linux on this particular model. Well, a couple academic points: One should generally check compatibility *before* making a purchase. :-) Dell offers two lines of laptops: Inspiron and Latitude. The Inspiron are targeted at home users. The primary design goals is cheap, cheap, cheap. The after-sale support absolutely sucks. The Latitude line is targeted at business users. They cost more, but you get much better support, and it's far less likely to infuriate you. Of course, most people buy the Inspiron. Given two identical computers, with identical specs, one more expensive but with good after-sale support and one cheaper with horrible after-sale support, 97 out of 100 people will buy the cheaper one. And they get what they pay for, every time. But I digress. On to the matter at hand: I suggest heading on over to http://linux.dell.com/ -- the home of all things Linux at Dell. The mailing lists, in particular, are full of knowledgeable people who use Linux on Dell stuff. Nothing specific to laptops at this time, I'm afraid, but maybe you find something. Good luck! -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: unformat??
On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, at 9:45pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard stories about some rather interesting installs for people who... lets just say they paint houses... ... and fly around in black helicopters powered by devices obtained from crashed alien spacecraft, I'm sure. ;-) I've seen a few of the systems the NSA and the US Air Force use to protect the confidentiality of data. Some electronic devices have a zeroize capability built-in, where you press a button and everything gets erased. As for the rest, they find explosive and incendiary devices (not exactly in short supply for the military) do a fine job. They even have this one explosive device designed to hang in a file drawer like a Pendaflex folder. For use in the event of imminent compromise by hostile forces, IIRC. Interestingly, the NSA is also pushing this system called EKMS (Electronic Key Management System). The part of EKMS which is deployed to the field is the LMD (Local Management Device). Currently, the LMD is a standard i386 architecture PC running nothing other then SCO Unix. I sometimes wonder what the NSA is going to do if SCO manages to destroy themselves with lawsuit fever. Speculation about SELinux occurs. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Question about installing Linux on a Dell
Hi Jeff, I've tinkered with various versions and flavors of Linux on everything from servers to notebooks to iMacs, and there were a few Dells in the bunch, the only machine that really gave me issues was an old Racer with an AMD K6-2, that refused to accept anything other than Libranet or Knoppix... I can't speak for your new Dell though, but why not give it a shot and let us know how things turn out... Good Luck, Mike - Original Message - From: Numberwhun [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Question about installing Linux on a Dell Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 12:42:06 -0500 Hello everyone! I recently purchased (and am waiting for the delivery of ) a new Dell Inspiron 9200 ( 17 display, 1920x1200, 1 gig ram, 100gig internal hd, 250 gig external hd, dual 9cell batteries) which I pimped out as it is going to have to last me a while. I have been doing some searching on places like google and cannot really find anyone that has installed Linux on this particular model. I have even checked www.*linux*-laptop.net and there is no listing for this model there. Basically, I am just curious if anyone here on the list has installed linux on this particular model and if so, did you have any problems? Did anything fail to work? Thank you in advance and Happy Holidays! Regards, Jeff Kirkland ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: unformat??
Benjamin Scott wrote: On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, at 9:45pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard stories about some rather interesting installs for people who... lets just say they paint houses... ... and fly around in black helicopters powered by devices obtained from crashed alien spacecraft, I'm sure. ;-) I'm not sure what you thought I was talking about... but it wasn't an agency or military reference... and I've heard these stories from the sales guys and engineers who were involved with some of the installs... for what that's worth. =] J ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
