Re: Greasemonkey

2006-01-02 Thread Ted Roche
I've been playing with it for a while. It has the great capability to  
provide a runtime engine in the user's browser. For me, that means I  
can splice a Google satellite map onto any page when the writer(s)  
have posted an address:


http://radio.weblogs.com/0117767/2005/07/16.html#a1612

On the downside, it means that any evildoer who finds a way to detect  
and exploit that engine on my local machine has a worrisome amount of  
power. So, I also run NoScript so I can choose which sites can  
run (vs. being viewed) in my browser. And keep an eye on security  
alerts:


http://radio.weblogs.com/0117767/2005/07/19.html

Ted Roche
Ted Roche  Associates, LLC
http://www.tedroche.com


On Jan 1, 2006, at 11:09 PM, Ben Scott wrote:


As kind of a counter-point to the recent discussion on Firefox
security and what JavaScript shouldn't be allowed to do, I'm wondering
what anyone here has to say on Greasemonkey.

http://greasemonkey.mozdev.org/

Greasemonkey is kind of like bookmarklets on steroids.  It lets you
attach arbitrary JavaScript code to any given webpage.  The key here
is that you, the *user*, are scripting things.  An interesting article
on the potential of user-supplied scripting can be found here:

http://www.nivi.com/blog/article/greasemonkey-and-business-models/

That article notes the following things you might do with Greasemonkey
(in order of increasing anarchy):
- Insert links to your local library's card catalog into Amazon
- Insert prices from competitive booksellers into Amazon
- Insert links to pirated material into Amazon (or Netflix)

While I admit I find the idea of user-supplied scripting intriguing,
things such as potential security and stability nightmares are keeping
me away from Greasemonkey for now.  I'm curious  as to what others
think.

-- Ben Monkey is a funny word Scott
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Re: Migration tool from Windows to Linux (linspire Distribution)

2006-01-02 Thread David Ecklein



Kenyon just sent me this Linspire 
announcement on Versora's product Progression Desktop.

Although Linspire isprobably 
aworthy option, I have been inclined (especially by what I read in GNHLUG) 
to go Suse. So far, what limited Linux exposure I have had has been with 
Red Hat in various releases.

Highly interested whether itmight 
work with these other distributions, I checked Versora's website and 
found:

http://www.versora.com/products/progression_desktop.php

Is this real gold or iron 
pyrites?

Any comments ( + or - ) from GNHLUGers or 
others on this tool would be appreciated. Has anybody used it, and with 
what result? Linux wannabes want to know (especially the lazier ones, 
allergic to system trivia like yours truly).

Dave E.


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kenyon F. 
  Karl 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:02 
  AM
  Subject: Migration tool from Windows to 
  Linux (linspire Distribution)
  Versora and Linspire, Inc. announced the 
  release of Versora's Progression Desktop for Linspire. This easy-to-use 
  migration tool allows users to transfer e-mail, files and settings from their 
  Windows machine to a Linux machine, moving critical data, application 
  settings, e-mail, calendar entries, contact lists, desktop settings and 
  directory structures via a Click-Next-Next-Finished interface. For more 
  details, visit this 
  page. Progression DesktopThis 
  enterprise-ready tool migrates data and settings from Windows desktops to 
  Linux desktops in a predictable and easily repeatable fashion. Progression 
  Desktop will automate the migration of data, email, user settings, office 
  productivity suites, music, pictures, instant messaging, Internet browsers and 
  more. Reduce migration times from hours to minutes without interrupting 
  productivity by using Progression Desktop. Price: 
  $14.95Member's Price: 
$9.95


Re: Migration tool from Windows to Linux (linspire Distribution)

2006-01-02 Thread Jon maddog Hall
David,

There is no reason why this tool would not port most of your documents, email,
etc. from Windows to Linux.   This would certainly be true if you were in
a stand-alone environment and were not sharing your directories with other
people who continued to use windows.

I think the real work would start after the software had finished its job,
that work of learning (for each distribution) where the controls are that
would change whatever settings you now wanted to change, what settings are
available to change, etc.

In a lot of ways I would recommend NOT using such a tool, but instead doing
the work yourself.  That way you would have a much better idea after you were
finished in how the Linux system works, what tools and settings there are
to make it work, etc.

I would recommend a thre-step approach to going to Linux:

o Use open source applications on Windows right now:
o OpenOffice
o Firefox
o Thurderbird
o Gimp (If you currently use Firefox)

This will get you used to a lot of the bells and whistles that are there,
and pull your email, etc. under the format of these programs.

Secondly:

o Select a Linux distribution and get used to it:

While a lot of the people on this list (including me) use and recommended
SuSE, for a person who are:

Linux wannabes want to know (especially the lazier ones, allergic to system
trivia like yours truly).

probably would be better off with one of the distributions that cater to that
particular audience:

o Xandros
o Linspire
o Mandriva
o Ubuntu

The order of the above is not an endorsement of any of them, although I know
that Xandros and Linspire have both worked very hard at being newbie friendly.
Mandriva has been a long-time desktop oriented distro, and I have heard good
things about Ubuntu and its user friendliness.

You may also find a book at the library or bookstore on Linux, with a
distribution in the back.  This book will walk you through all of the
tailoring you need.  There are even books specifically written for the newbie
coming from windows.  They talk to you in Microsoft Speak, so you know
what they are saying.

After you have installed, configured and played around with one of these
distributions until you are happy with it, THEN you can consider using a
package to move your windows data files and configuration stuff over.  And I
hope that you know what the word backup means. :-)

I would suggest a dual-boot situation with your Linux system sharing your
Windows file system for a while.  If your disk is not big enough to hold both
systems, then get another (or bigger) disk.  I have seen 300GB disks on sale
for $100.

This is not to scare you away from Linux.  Most of the newbie distributions 
these days are boot and go, particularly if you have a system that has no 
data on
it and is fed its TCP/IP address by a DHCP server, or by an DSL or Cable
connection.  But take it from the author of the original Linux for Dummies
book, you WILL have to learn something. :-)

You learned windowsyou can learn Linux.

Warmest regards,

maddog
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Re: Worldpath DSL

2006-01-02 Thread Cole Tuininga
On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 20:43 -0500, Lawrence Tilly wrote:
 When the tech first hooked us up I asked if he would have to come back
 out when we go w/ the static IPs, and he said no...so I didn't think
 to inquire further at that time.  I really wish I did now since he was
 very helpful and fothcoming w/ info.

Sorry to chime in so late - holidays have been busy.  8)

In any case, I live in Farmington and have Worldpath for my residential
DSL.  When I got the original basic service, I had a dynamic IP address
and the DSL modem would NAT me - meaning that whatever system I had
hooked up to the service would get a so-called fake IP address
(usually in the low 10.0.0.x range).  I switched to a single static IP
address and they did not have to come out to make any changes.  They did
the configuration from their end, and just gave me the network settings
to use.  Twas a piece of cake.

With regards to the port 80 management on the modem, I don't remember
checking it before I got the static IP, but I'm pretty sure that port 80
has been open straight through to my IP since.  Keep in mind that unless
you're going with a business line, running a server is technically
prohibited.  Like with most reasonable companies (as few as there may
be), I doubt they're likely to yell at you unless you go overboard.
I've run an ssh server ever since I got the service and nobody seems to
mind.

As far as the service itself, I've been extremely happy.  In the past 3+
years of the service, I've never had a problem (that wasn't caused by me
anyway *grin*).  In fact, quite the opposite.  I've found that my
bandwidth has steadily *increased* through the years.  When I first
signed up, I was getting a max of about 80kB down and 30kB up.  I now
bax out at around 424kB down and 100kB up, with no increase in the price
of service.  Yes, that's a capital B.  Not too shabby for living in the
boonies.

As far as dealing with the folks at Worldpath, I couldn't be happier.
Their techs that have come to the house are always polite, nice,
knowledgeable and helpful.  And the few times that I've needed to email
their tech support have been consistently helpful.  I've had
particularly good luck dealing with an individual named Lance Shaw (hi
Lance, if you're reading!).  He has been extremely helpful and
responsive.

All in all, I definitely give Worldpath an A+.

-- 
The memory management on the power pc chip is something that should be
shown to small children when they've been especially bad. -Linus Torvalds

Cole Tuininga
Lead Developer
Code Energy, Inc
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Re: Greasemonkey

2006-01-02 Thread Michael Costolo
On 1/1/06, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As kind of a counter-point to the recent discussion on Firefoxsecurity and what _javascript_ shouldn't be allowed to do, I'm wonderingwhat anyone here has to say on Greasemonkey.
http://greasemonkey.mozdev.org/Greasemonkey is kind of like bookmarklets on steroids.It lets youattach arbitrary _javascript_ code to any given webpage.The key hereis that you, the *user*, are scripting things.An interesting article
on the potential of user-supplied scripting can be found here:http://www.nivi.com/blog/article/greasemonkey-and-business-models/
That article notes the following things you might do with Greasemonkey(in order of increasing anarchy):- Insert links to your local library's card catalog into Amazon- Insert prices from competitive booksellers into Amazon
- Insert links to pirated material into Amazon (or Netflix)While I admit I find the idea of user-supplied scripting intriguing,things such as potential security and stability nightmares are keepingme away from Greasemonkey for now.I'm curiousas to what others
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Persistent searches on Google and Google Scholar are particularly
useful. There are also some Gmail tweaks that are convenient
(force the use of the secure server, for example). All in all I
like the idea. I guess there were some (big surprise here)
security issues a while ago. I'm not sure how or if they were
resolved though. -- The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then gets elected and proves it.:P.J. O'Rourke