SIP phone suggestions

2006-11-07 Thread Cole Tuininga

Hey all - I'm finally foraying into the world of Asterisk.  I have a box
to dedicate to it, I have Trixbox (http://www.trixbox.org/) downloaded
and ready to install ... now I just need some phones.

I was wondering if folks could suggest (or at least relay experiences)
on phones?

I'm looking for one fairly nice office phone.  Something multi-line
capable (which I still don't really get - shouldn't that be inherent?)
with a decent speaker phone.

Then I'm also looking for a couple of wireless ones (I already have a
WAP).

Any advice, etc is gratefully accepted.  Thanks in advance.

-- 
Cole Tuininga
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Re: SIP phone suggestions

2006-11-07 Thread klussier

 -- Original message --
From: Cole Tuininga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Hey all - I'm finally foraying into the world of Asterisk.  I have a box
 to dedicate to it, I have Trixbox (http://www.trixbox.org/) downloaded
 and ready to install ... now I just need some phones.
 
 I was wondering if folks could suggest (or at least relay experiences)
 on phones?
 
 I'm looking for one fairly nice office phone.  Something multi-line
 capable (which I still don't really get - shouldn't that be inherent?)
 with a decent speaker phone.

I have been using the Sipura SPA-941's. Sipura was bought by Linksys, which is 
owned by Cisco. They look almost identical to all of the Cisco phones that you 
see on TV (usually the Cisco 7960). You can get them in two-line or four-line, 
and they only cost about $130 a piece. The SPA-942 is also good, and it has the 
added benefit of havin a built-in switch. Mass-configuration is pretty easy 
using a simple config script on a tftp server. 

I have used the Cisco phones in the past, and they aren't worth the money. They 
are good phones, but at anywhere from $300 (for a refurb) to $800, they are way 
to expensive for mass deployment in a small company. 

FYI,
Kenny
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Re: SIP phone suggestions

2006-11-07 Thread Thomas Charron
On 11/7/06, Cole Tuininga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey all - I'm finally foraying into the world of Asterisk.I have a boxto dedicate to it, I have Trixbox (http://www.trixbox.org/) downloadedand ready to install ... now I just need some phones.
I was wondering if folks could suggest (or at least relay experiences)on phones?Then I'm also looking for a couple of wireless ones (I already have aWAP). The only warning I can give for 
802.11 wireless SIP phones is, prepare for 802.11b. Last I checked, which was several months ago, most where 802.11b, with only one or two models supporting 802.11g, which where expensive, (500+ $$ range). I'll see if I can find my old information, and the phones I ended up using.
 Thomas
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Re: SIP phone suggestions

2006-11-07 Thread Michael ODonnell


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Re: SIP phone suggestions

2006-11-07 Thread Brian Chabot
Thomas Charron wrote:

   I'll see if I can find my old information, and the phones I ended up
 using.


   Thomas



   ZyXEL was the brand of the wireless phones I ended up integrating. 
 I previewed a few others, I need to check what the namebrand was.  I
 THINK there where some that actually ran Linux IIRC.


I've been using Broadvoice.com for a little over a year now.  I started
out with a Pulver WiSIP phone.  It ran Linux and worked splendidly.  I
loved it.  Then the speaker broke.  It was under warranty, so I sent it
in for replacement.  SOB's sent me a rebranded POS that sounds like
crap, keeps disconnecting, and is much less comfortable to use.

There are pictures of the POS at
http://www.broadvoice.com/support_install_wifi_voip-bv.html

So why am I still using Broadvoice?  SIP standards.   Their service
works (quite well) with GPhone, LinPhone, etc.  with little
configuration (you have to contact them for your sip password - the rest
of the settings are on their web site).

I also have an old standard Grandstream Budgetone.  Now that's a really
nice phone for the price.  It doesn't do a whole hell of a lot, but what
it does do it's rock solid with.  Now if I could only find the power
adapter to use it again... (odd voltage/amperage)...

Brian
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Re: SIP phone suggestions

2006-11-07 Thread Cole Tuininga
On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 10:20 -0500, Michael ODonnell wrote:
 
 Please Please try try not not to to have have 
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 the To: To: and and Cc: Cc: lines lines in in your
 your headers headers since since that that results
 results in in duplicate duplicate messages messages
 to to the the list list.  Thanks!  Thanks!

That was my fault - my original message had the reply-to set to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (without mail.).  I think that confused a
lot of address books.

Mea culpa.

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Re: SIP phone suggestions

2006-11-07 Thread Ben Scott

On 11/7/06, Michael ODonnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

... results results in in duplicate duplicate messages messages
to to the the list list.  Thanks!  Thanks!


 I I love love double double Chex Chex.

 You'd think the list software would catch duplicate Message ID's and
remove them.  I'll have to speak to the list admin 'bout that...

-- Ben Oh wait, that's me Scott
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Transportable HDD recommendations or warnings

2006-11-07 Thread Ted Roche
I've got a client who would like to image his half-dozen workstations  
and store the images off-site as part of a disaster recovery plan.


We're planning on using Knoppix and partimage to snapshot the machines,

The workstations are run-of-the-mill Dell Dimensions, fairly new, so  
USB 2.0 should be acceptable.


Guesstimating ~ 5 - 10 Gb per workstation, so most medium capacity  
HDDs should be sufficient. Two separate HDDs for odd- and even-month  
backups could be used for redundancy and avoiding single-point-of- 
failure. (There is already a separate backup system in place for day- 
to-day operational data and documents).


I see the local big boxes have regular promotions for Western  
Digitals, Seagates, Maxtors and SimpleTechs.  Any recommendations  
pro- or con- or are these pretty much commodity items?


Ted Roche
Ted Roche  Associates, LLC
http://www.tedroche.com


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Re: Transportable HDD recommendations or warnings

2006-11-07 Thread Ben Scott

On 11/7/06, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I see the local big boxes have regular promotions for Western
Digitals, Seagates, Maxtors and SimpleTechs.  Any recommendations
pro- or con- or are these pretty much commodity items?


 From what I've seen, they're pretty much commodity items.  They're
universally the same on the inside: A standard 3.5-inch, 1/3-height
HDD like you'd find in any desktop PC, plus a PCB with a USB-to-IDE
bridge chip and some power electronics.

 Some do use 2.5-inch laptop-style drives.  I've heard at least one
person say those are more likely to wear out sooner, and they're
almost always more expensive, so you're probably best avoiding those.

 There is some differentiation in value added Windoze backup
software and such included with some drives, but for your purposes
that's moot.

 I'd go with whatever's cheapest (but don't forget to factor
warranty, etc., into the cost/benefit ratio).

-- Ben
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*pout* HDTV No Recordee....

2006-11-07 Thread Thomas Charron
 Getting DirecTV setup, and I don't know why I never noticed, but.. There's no way to record HD from a satalite provider. *le pout* Thomas
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Re: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....

2006-11-07 Thread Thomas Charron
 I MEANT in a way I could get to it from Linux. ;-) I KNOW DirecTV offers HD PVR.On 11/7/06, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote: Getting DirecTV setup, and I don't know why I never noticed, but..
 There's no way to record HD from a satalite provider. *le pout* Thomas


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Re: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....

2006-11-07 Thread Travis Roy

There is, you just have to use DirecTV's DVR.

The Tivo HD-DVR can do it, and the new upcoming DirecTV HDDVR will be  
able to do the HD Locals.




  Getting DirecTV setup, and I don't know why I never noticed, but..

  There's no way to record HD from a satalite provider.  *le pout*

  Thomas
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Re: Transportable HDD recommendations or warnings

2006-11-07 Thread Paul Lussier
Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I see the local big boxes have regular promotions for Western
 Digitals, Seagates, Maxtors and SimpleTechs.  Any recommendations
 pro- or con- or are these pretty much commodity items?

How often are you planning on transporting these drives around?  Keep
in mind, drives are very susceptiple to vibration damage.  The more
they are transported around, and powered on and off, the more likely
they are to fail early.

You might be better writing the images to DVD or tape and sending
those off site.  Another option is to completely forget about keeping
an image around and setting up something like FAI, Kickstart, Ghost,
System Imager, etc.  These systems can all be configured to re-install
the correct image on to a specified architecture.  Some are more
dynamic than others like Kickstart and FAI, whereas others, like Ghost
and SI work on the golden image principle.

The down-side of the golden image is that it's rather inflexible.
It's not unreasonable to expect a video card or hard drive to migrate
around to several different machines as older ones die out and newer
systems come in as replacements, or components get upgraded piecemeal.
So, if a newer video card gets installed in an older system, the
golden image may no longer work.  Whereas something like FAI or
Kickstart can dynamically determine the video card at install time and
install the correct drivers for it.

I inherently dislike the idea of storing images.  It implies that
your configuration isn't going to change, and change is something
inherent to computers, they are not static :)

Just my .2 drachmas.
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Re: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....

2006-11-07 Thread Travis Roy
Isn't that true with even non-HD DirecTV programming?I've never found a way to do it, not that I've looked that hard. But I know the stream is encrypted.  I MEANT in a way I could get to it from Linux.  ;-)  I KNOW DirecTV offers HD PVR.On 11/7/06, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:  Getting DirecTV setup, and I don't know why I never noticed, but..   There's no way to record HD from a satalite provider.  *le pout*  Thomas ___gnhlug-discuss mailing listgnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.orghttp://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___
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Re: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....

2006-11-07 Thread Drew Van Zandt

The Linux HDTV card won't do it?  (Encryption, I assume?)

--DTVZ
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Re: Transportable HDD recommendations or warnings

2006-11-07 Thread Michael ODonnell


 The workstations are run-of-the-mill Dell Dimensions, fairly new,
 so USB 2.0 should be acceptable.

I haven't done much with USB storage devices so all I have
to go on is my current situation, which isn't much fun.
I've just started wrestling with some Dell boxes running RHEL3
(based on 2.4.21-ish kernels and patched to smithereens by
RHAT and, no - upgrading isn't an option for us at the moment)
that just randomly lock up when accessing their USB-connected
backup drives.

Looking through the comments in the source codes for the USB
drivers I gather that USB is a wild world where many of the OEMs
and interface-chip mfrs (ignoring nuisances such as standards
and specs) have thrown off the shackles of hidebound convention
and bravely struck off on their own, embracing and extending at
will and giving their creativity free rein.  In other words,
it's a fscking miracle that things work as well as they do.

Again, I'm not claiming to have authoritative knowledge here,
just intrepretting what I see in the driver sources, although
the fact that we seem to wedge up faster with some drives than
with others (all purchased very recently) seems to corroborate
the impression that things haven't yet converged...

 I see the local big boxes have regular promotions for Western
 Digitals, Seagates, Maxtors and SimpleTechs.  Any recommendations
 pro- or con- or are these pretty much commodity items?

I gather that recent kernels are much more robust that what I'm
saddled with but, before you commit to anything, I'd recommend
that you obtain one or more examples of the candidate drives
and beat the daylights out of them for an extended period with
the machines and software you intend to deploy.
 
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Re: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....

2006-11-07 Thread Ben Scott

On 11/7/06, Travis Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The Tivo HD-DVR can do it ...


 The Series 3 TiVo cannot record satellite.  It has NTSC, ATSC (HD
OTA), and digital cable tuners, but no component inputs or anything
like that for attachment to an external satellite tuner box.

 I'm still trying to make up my mind between upgrading my Series 2
Lifetime box to Series 3 Lifetime, or selling it and building a MythTV
box.

-- Ben
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Re: Transportable HDD recommendations or warnings

2006-11-07 Thread Chip Marshall
On November 07, 2006, Ted Roche sent me the following:
 I see the local big boxes have regular promotions for Western  
 Digitals, Seagates, Maxtors and SimpleTechs.  Any recommendations  
 pro- or con- or are these pretty much commodity items?

I've been poking around a little lately looking for an external drive
to back my laptop up onto. You might be better off purchasing an
external enclosure and a retail or OEM drive rather than one of the
pre-packaged external drives. Not only does this tend to be slightly
cheaper, but it seems that a lot of the big names provide much better
warranties on internal drives than external drives.

For instance, Western Digital will give you a 5-year warranty on an OEM
internal drive, but only a 1-year on their MyBook external drives.

Personally, I've got my eye on a macally PHR-100SU enclosure[1], it
takes a 3.5 SATA drive and provides USB and SATA connections (not eSATA
though.) They make a number of enclosures with various connections, and
seem to get pretty good reviews.

[1] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817347003

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Re: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....

2006-11-07 Thread Peter Blake
I don't think Lifetime subscriptions are available anymore. I was considering upgrading my Series 1 (v.1 Phillips) box to Series 3, but without Lifetime decided it wouldn't be worth it.

Pierre
On 11/7/06, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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The Series 3 TiVo cannot record satellite.It has NTSC, ATSC (HDOTA), and digital cable tuners, but no component inputs or anythinglike that for attachment to an external satellite tuner box.I'm still trying to make up my mind between upgrading my Series 2
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Re: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....

2006-11-07 Thread Ben Scott

On 11/7/06, Peter Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I don't think Lifetime subscriptions are available anymore. I was
considering upgrading my Series 1 (v.1 Phillips) box to Series 3, but
without Lifetime decided it wouldn't be worth it.


 You cannot purchase new Lifetime Service from TiVo anymore.
However, ff you have a TiVo DVR that already has Lifetime Service,
TiVo Inc is offering a deal where you can transfer that to a new
Series 3 box for $200.  So you could do that.  The deal is only good
until the end of this year, though.

-- Ben
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Re: Transportable HDD recommendations or warnings

2006-11-07 Thread Ben Scott

On 11/7/06, Michael ODonnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Looking through the comments in the source codes for the USB
drivers I gather that ... it's a fscking miracle that things work
as well as they do.


 Yah, I've heard the same.  Standards compliance is, apparently,
considered optional.

 I recall coming across a driver in the Linux kernel that was
designed specifically to help in these situations.  It was kind of
like the regular USB mass storage driver, but tried to be conservative
in what it sent, checked everything it got six different ways, and
generally worked around a lot of drain bamage.  I think it was in the
2.4 series.  That might be worth exploring.

-- Ben
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Re: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....

2006-11-07 Thread Thomas Charron
 Yes, we're on the waiting list for them. Which annoys me, because apperently, DirecTech, the contractor in the area for DirecTV, has *6 PALLETS* of them sitting in nashua. But they cannot give them out without DirecTV saying that they have them officially. The installer just tried to do me a favor and put one in off of his truck, but they said no way in hell. *pout*
 ThomasOn 11/7/06, Travis Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is, you just have to use DirecTV's DVR.The Tivo HD-DVR can do it, and the new upcoming DirecTV HDDVR will beable to do the HD Locals. Getting DirecTV setup, and I don't know why I never noticed, but..
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Re: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....

2006-11-07 Thread Thomas Charron
 I'm actually having them install 2 extra non HD receivers for MythTV. :-) Specifically, we want them so we can wander around the house streaming TV. ;-P ThomasOn 11/7/06, 
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/7/06, Travis Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Tivo HD-DVR can do it ...The Series 3 TiVo cannot record satellite.It has NTSC, ATSC (HDOTA), and digital cable tuners, but no component inputs or anything
like that for attachment to an external satellite tuner box.I'm still trying to make up my mind between upgrading my Series 2Lifetime box to Series 3 Lifetime, or selling it and building a MythTVbox.
-- Ben
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Re: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....

2006-11-07 Thread Thomas Charron
 *Nod* The Linux HDTV card can only record terrestial HD signals. HD encrypts the signal end to end, all the way to the TV when it's encrypted. ThomasOn 11/7/06, 
Drew Van Zandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Linux HDTV card won't do it?(Encryption, I assume?)--DTVZ
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SATA Cables Needed

2006-11-07 Thread Andrew W. Gaunt


Not directly linux related, but, for a linux box.
We need some SATA cables that are a bit longer than
the usual 18/19 that are typical. Can't seem to find
any locally, only by placing an order online etc.which I
need to avoid. Without going into the stupid reasons
why, does anyone know of a shop/store that can provide
such locally? I'm in Westford MA now.

-Andrew Gaunt


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Re: Transportable HDD recommendations or warnings

2006-11-07 Thread Tom Buskey

On 11/7/06, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've got a client who would like to image his half-dozen workstations
and store the images off-site as part of a disaster recovery plan.

We're planning on using Knoppix and partimage to snapshot the machines,





I see the local big boxes have regular promotions for Western
Digitals, Seagates, Maxtors and SimpleTechs.  Any recommendations
pro- or con- or are these pretty much commodity items?


I've had luck with a generic carrier.  I have one for laptop disk,
CD/DVD and desktop disk.  The last 2 are same brand.  All 3 were
cheap.

They have pretty much just worked, just like a thumb drive or card
reader.  The issue was how they showed up on Fedora 4/5 or Ubuntu
5.10?/6.06.  (/dev/sd? /media/??)

You're either going to want to off site the whole thing or just the
disk.  You can put the disk back in its shipping container but you'll
want a USB carrier that's easy to take apart/put together.  Get 2 so
you have a spare, they're cheap.
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Re: SATA Cables Needed

2006-11-07 Thread Tom Buskey

On 11/7/06, Andrew W. Gaunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Not directly linux related, but, for a linux box.
We need some SATA cables that are a bit longer than
the usual 18/19 that are typical. Can't seem to find
any locally, only by placing an order online etc.which I
need to avoid. Without going into the stupid reasons
why, does anyone know of a shop/store that can provide
such locally? I'm in Westford MA now.



I don't know of local places, but I got 42 ones from Newegg for $3 each IIRC.
That's at least a day wait though.
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Re: SATA Cables Needed

2006-11-07 Thread Andy Bair
I just called Apex Computer in Nashua, and the sales guy said he did
have cables that were around 2 feet.  Not sure if I trust his estimate
of about 2 feet, but you could call and have him measure:

http://www.apexnh.com/contact.asp

Andy

On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 13:21 -0500, Andrew W. Gaunt wrote:
 Not directly linux related, but, for a linux box.
 We need some SATA cables that are a bit longer than
 the usual 18/19 that are typical. Can't seem to find
 any locally, only by placing an order online etc.which I
 need to avoid. Without going into the stupid reasons
 why, does anyone know of a shop/store that can provide
 such locally? I'm in Westford MA now.
 
 -Andrew Gaunt
 
 
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Re: SATA Cables Needed

2006-11-07 Thread klussier
You might want to check out RadioShack on 110 in the MarketBasket plaza in 
Westford. About a month ago I got some 24 right-angle SATA cables there.

FYI,
Kenny

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From: Andrew W. Gaunt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Not directly linux related, but, for a linux box.
 We need some SATA cables that are a bit longer than
 the usual 18/19 that are typical. Can't seem to find
 any locally, only by placing an order online etc.which I
 need to avoid. Without going into the stupid reasons
 why, does anyone know of a shop/store that can provide
 such locally? I'm in Westford MA now.
 
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Remote desktop (VNC) question

2006-11-07 Thread Justin McIver
Hi all,I'm hoping someone can help me with a bit of an annoying problem I've had with KRFB, KRDC, and VNC. I have a PC at home running Debian and KDE. This system has two monitors and a separate desktop for each monitor (not xinerama). I have no problem connecting to and viewing the desktop on the primary monitor but I can't get connected to the second desktop. I'm not even sure what the correct notation for connecting to the second desktop would be. I can use either ultraVNC on windows or KRDC from linux to connect to the machine. Again, hoping for some help.
Thanks, Justin
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Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Ben Scott

On 11/7/06, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I'm actually having them install 2 extra non HD receivers for MythTV.  :-)


 It's a tough decision for me (TiVo Series 3 vs MythTV).  I'm not
that interested in high def TV right now.  Most of the programs I
watch are not in HD anyway, or don't benefit much from it (e.g., The
Simpsons).  I'm even less interested in paying extra for HD TV.
Basic cable suits my needs.  :)

 At the same time, though, my Series 2 box is starting to show signs
of old age.  I suspect at least one of the hard drives is going bad --
perhaps both, since they are identical models purchased and installed
at the same time.  But even if I get away with just one drive
replacement, I'd still like dual tuners, still more capacity, better
performance, more features, etc.  The S3 would give me that, and TiVo
has always been a joy to use.

 Those of you here who are already using MythTV, how do you find it
works in day-to-day usage?

 I'm not as concerned with how hard it is to set-up -- I'm confident
I can figure that out.  What I want to avoid is something that's a
pain to *use*, or that I have to tinker with to keep it working, or
that fails to record programs properly, etc.  If I'm watching TV, it
means I want to take my brain off-hook for awhile.  :-)  So I want it
to behave like a good appliance -- something that, once installed,
stays working for long periods of time.

-- Ben
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Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Thomas Charron
On 11/7/06, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/7/06, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm actually having them install 2 extra non HD receivers for MythTV.:-) It's a tough decision for me (TiVo Series 3 vs MythTV).I'm not
that interested in high def TV right now.Most of the programs Iwatch are not in HD anyway, or don't benefit much from it (e.g., TheSimpsons).I'm even less interested in paying extra for HD TV.
Basic cable suits my needs.:) Then MythTV works for you.
At the same time, though, my Series 2 box is starting to show signsof old age.I suspect at least one of the hard drives is going bad --perhaps both, since they are identical models purchased and installedat the same time.But even if I get away with just one drive
replacement, I'd still like dual tuners, still more capacity, betterperformance, more features, etc.The S3 would give me that, and TiVohas always been a joy to use. But where's the joy of adding things you WANT it to do, but doesn't. ;-) Like in my case, playing ripped DVDs off of the now almost full 2 gig server. (Speaking of which, got I gotta transcode those rips).
Those of you here who are already using MythTV, how do you find itworks in day-to-day usage?
 When I used it in the past it was the bawlz. Turning on the TV to browse slashdot and the weather in the morning while the news is in PnP is just awesome.
I'm not as concerned with how hard it is to set-up -- I'm confidentI can figure that out.What I want to avoid is something that's apain to *use*, or that I have to tinker with to keep it working, orthat fails to record programs properly, etc.If I'm watching TV, it
means I want to take my brain off-hook for awhile.:-)So I want itto behave like a good appliance -- something that, once installed,stays working for long periods of time. It behaves VERY well as an appliance. You would never know it was a Linux box if you where joe shmoe. But at the same time, you can tweak encoders, etc, and satisfy your geek side.
 Thomas
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Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Neil Joseph Schelly
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 02:45 pm, Ben Scott wrote:
   Those of you here who are already using MythTV, how do you find it
 works in day-to-day usage?

My wife and I use ours a lot, but there have been wrinkles.  If you intend to 
keep up with the latest versions, then backup often.  I find I have to go 
through at least a few headaches each time I set it up and every upgrade so 
far has been at least a little bit like setting it up the first time.  For 
what it's worth, I've always used KnoppMyth as the distro of choice to get 
things going.

However, if you get it up and running and just use it, it's highly reliable.  
I only try upgrades maybe once a year or so.  The rest of the time I have 
occasional lockups - maybe once every 2-3 months.  Somewhat common, the 
frontend crashes (never the backend really) and so restarting the frontend 
became commonplace enough that I tied my power button on my remote to a 
script that would start the frontend if it wasn't running.

And the problems I have could largely be due to cheap hardware - I've never 
been one to invest in consumer grade hardware much and I've replaced more 
motherboards than I care to think about in the last five years, always buying 
the cheapest I can find and putting the slowest processor I can buy in if I 
need a new one to fit the new motherboard.

My wife's not a computer geek.  She doesn't do Linux much, although she is 
technical in nature and so she appreciates all the cool stuff we can do with 
Myth.  She'd definitely be annoyed with me if it didn't work well, but she's 
proud to show it off when we have guests.  I figure that must count for 
something.
-N
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Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Tom Buskey

On 11/7/06, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  At the same time, though, my Series 2 box is starting to show signs
of old age.  I suspect at least one of the hard drives is going bad --
perhaps both, since they are identical models purchased and installed
at the same time.  But even if I get away with just one drive


Drive replacement isn't hard.  I upped my 2 40GB units to 80GB and
160GB in one day.  I could've kept the 40s as 2nd drives too.


replacement, I'd still like dual tuners, still more capacity, better
performance, more features, etc.  The S3 would give me that, and TiVo
has always been a joy to use.


S3 takes away 1 feature that S2 had: Tivo2go.  In order to get the
HDTV and the CableCard, Tivo had to give up the ability to transfer
and burn to DVD.

I'm not sure the MultiRoom viewing thing is available either.

For me, that clearly puts MythTV (which I don't have) better.  I have
2 Tivos and transfer from one to another all the time.  I've
pushed/pulled shows off to Tivo Desktop to pull back later and have
burned DVDs to watch later.

I'd like to rip my DVDs to a file server running galleon or tivo
desktop so I can transfer movies to the tivos and my kids never handle
another DVD again.  Think MP3 jukebox for DVDs.

There are some contortions to go to/from DVD but it can be done.
MythTV just does MPEG-2 right? So it would be easier.  And kludges
like Tivo Desktop and Galleon are not needed.


  Those of you here who are already using MythTV, how do you find it
works in day-to-day usage?

  I'm not as concerned with how hard it is to set-up -- I'm confident
I can figure that out.  What I want to avoid is something that's a
pain to *use*, or that I have to tinker with to keep it working, or
that fails to record programs properly, etc.  If I'm watching TV, it
means I want to take my brain off-hook for awhile.  :-)  So I want it
to behave like a good appliance -- something that, once installed,
stays working for long periods of time.


As you know, Tivo has a high SAF (Spousal Approval Factor - Neil Cherry).

It seems to me MythTV needs some $$ up front for the hardware but
after that runs forever.  The Tivo you can get for free with a
prepaid one year subscription ($16.95/mo or $6.95 if you have more
then one).  Plus the Tivo hardware is designed to sit nice and quietly
on top of the TV and look good.
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Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Travis Roy


I'm not sure the MultiRoom viewing thing is available either.


For me, I just have my tivo and my normal receiver are in the  
basement. They go into a dual channel modulator. I have a couple IR  
repeaters.


Now I have TiVo in every room at any time and dont' have to buy more  
hardware.




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Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Ted Roche

On Nov 7, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Ben Scott wrote:


 Those of you here who are already using MythTV, how do you find it
works in day-to-day usage?


Like I hear from my Tivo friends, It will change your life.

On the Columbus Day holiday, I installed a PVR-150mce in a spare FC5  
box following Jarod Wilson's HOWTO, and it was pretty much plug-and- 
play.



 I'm not as concerned with how hard it is to set-up -- I'm confident
I can figure that out.  What I want to avoid is something that's a
pain to *use*, or that I have to tinker with to keep it working, or
that fails to record programs properly, etc.


It Just Works to coin a phrase. Or it doesn't. X-Files on Turner  
record fine, on Sci-Fi, they never do, so perhaps I have a setup  
error. But mostly it just works.


We've recorded a bunch of stuff, played and paused live TV,

I haven't tried anything fancy, just a single box with cable and  
wired internet, and I'm running it from the keyboard. Cursor-up, - 
down, Escape and Enter pretty much do what you want them to do. Had  
to look at the user manual to figure out that D deleted a  
recording. Haven't tried to figure out much more than that, so far,  
but there's lots of other cool things it will do.



  If I'm watching TV, it
means I want to take my brain off-hook for awhile.  :-)  So I want it
to behave like a good appliance -- something that, once installed,
stays working for long periods of time.


Yup. The core MythTV just installs and works. Now, if you want to  
tweak with the whole MythTV Suite - rip DVDs, make it a music  
jukebox, archive your DVDs, play arcade games,... you can tweak forever.


Ted Roche
Ted Roche  Associates, LLC
http://www.tedroche.com


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Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Neil Joseph Schelly
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 07:21 pm, Ted Roche wrote:
 It Just Works to coin a phrase. Or it doesn't. X-Files on Turner
 record fine, on Sci-Fi, they never do, so perhaps I have a setup
 error. But mostly it just works.

I had an issue with SciFi too.  You can fine-tune the channels in the MythTV 
web interface or in the database.  There's a channels table and I set the 
finetune column for SCIFI to -5.  Comes in clear now.
-N
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Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Ben Scott

On 11/7/06, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Drive replacement isn't hard.


 I know.  I upgraded it from the single 80 GB drive it came with to
the twin 120 GB units that are in there now.  ;-)


S3 takes away 1 feature that S2 had: Tivo2go.  In order to get the
HDTV and the CableCard, Tivo had to give up the ability to transfer
and burn to DVD.

I'm not sure the MultiRoom viewing thing is available either.


 TTG and MRV are both presently disabled on the S3.  Likewise the
eSATA port.  The party line from TiVo is that they are by no means
gone for good, just disabled until TiVo can prove to CableLabs that
their DRM works.  Whether that's accurate or wishful thinking is the
big question.


It seems to me MythTV needs some $$ up front for the hardware but
after that runs forever.


 Well, since I've got the Lifetime Service, I'm effectively in the
same boat there, TiVo or MythTV.  I have to pay up front ($700 + $200
for the TiVo S3, or whatever for a MythTV box), but after that, I'm
good forever.  If I had to pay the monthly fee for the TiVo I
wouldn't even be having this discussion.  :)

-- Ben
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Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Ben Scott

On 11/7/06, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Those of you here who are already using MythTV, how do you find it
works in day-to-day usage?


Like I hear from my Tivo friends, It will change your life.


 Absolutely.  The thought of TV without a good DVR is totally
unacceptable to me now.


... I installed a PVR-150mce ...


 That card is capture only, right?  So the TV/monitor will need VGA
in, or the computer will need TV-video out, I take it?


It Just Works to coin a phrase. Or it doesn't. X-Files on Turner
record fine, on Sci-Fi, they never do, so perhaps I have a setup
error. But mostly it just works.


 Hrmmm.  It's the mostly that concerns me.  :)

 The screen shots on http://www.mythtv.org/ look *very* impressive.
It's come a *long* way since I looked at it last.  (Which was quite
some time ago.)

 Hrmmm.

-- Ben
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Re: Tivo vs MythTV (was: *pout* HDTV No Recordee....)

2006-11-07 Thread Randy Edwards
  Those of you here who are already using MythTV, how do you find it
  works in day-to-day usage?

   Brilliantly.  I have a back end on Debian Etch/Testing with 3 tuners (a 
PVR-350 and a PVR-500) and while the IVTV drivers aren't the most stable, I 
have very, very little problem with the system.  Once every few weeks it'll 
need a cold boot; the biggest problem is for me to resist the temptation to 
play with the OS and to upgrade things. :-)

   I'm not as concerned with how hard it is to set-up -- I'm confident
  I can figure that out.  What I want to avoid is something that's a
  pain to *use*, or that I have to tinker with to keep it working, or
  that fails to record programs properly, etc.

   The install is, IMHO, a PITA, but yes, you'll overcome that.  The usage is 
where it shines.  You'll likely be very pleased on that score.

  If I'm watching TV, it means I want to take my brain off-hook for
  awhile.  :-)  So I want it to behave like a good appliance -- something
  that, once installed, stays working for long periods of time.

   Yup, that's been my mindset, and Myth has met that criteria well.  It's 
completely revamped the way I watch TV.  The number of hours watched has 
fallen a lot, but the quality of what I watch has skyrocketed.  I'm in a 
habit of scanning through the new listing once every two weeks to tag what 
looks interesting, and there's always something good on -- I no longer have a 
clue as to when anything is on; everything is on my schedule.

   And the impact it's had on my four year old son is also dramatic.  He 
doesn't have a clue about something not being on now and his exposure to 
advertising (Myth's commercial skipping is a godsend!) is nil.  For example, 
he called me from the kitchen the other day hollaring about a clown he saw on 
some TV show.  When I walked in, it was a Nickelodeon show I didn't have 
tagged for commercial skipping and he saw Ronald McDonald.  It took a second 
for it to dawn on me that he wasn't on a firstname basis with Ronald. :-)

   My advice would be to set it up on a box.  I think the biggest quirk Myth 
has is in changing channels on live TV (it takes a few seconds because it's 
really not live TV), but it's solid, loaded with features, and will likely 
completely rewrite the way you watch TV.

 Regards,
 .
 Randy

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Re: SATA Cables Needed

2006-11-07 Thread Dan Miller
I have an unopened package of 1 24 SATA cable I'm willing to part with. 
Is a Dynex cable.


Does $5 sound good?

Dan

Andrew W. Gaunt wrote:


Not directly linux related, but, for a linux box.
We need some SATA cables that are a bit longer than
the usual 18/19 that are typical. Can't seem to find
any locally, only by placing an order online etc.which I
need to avoid. Without going into the stupid reasons
why, does anyone know of a shop/store that can provide
such locally? I'm in Westford MA now.

-Andrew Gaunt


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