Re: Google Earth Available for Linux...

2006-11-12 Thread Ben Scott

On 11/12/06, Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

In case you didn't know,
Google Earth is now availabe for Linux:

http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html


 Wow, somebody should have a LUG meeting on that ;-)

http://mail.gnhlug.org/pipermail/gnhlug-announce/2006-October/000347.html

What : Google Earth
Who  : Rob Anderson
Day  : Mon 13 Nov 2006
Time : 7:00 PM
Where: Room 301, Morse Hall, UNH, Durham, NH

 This November's SLUG meeting will be on Google Earth, with Rob Anderson
leading the discussion.  We're hoping everyone will get involved for a
group learning session.

What is Google Earth?
-

"It's a globe that sits inside your PC. You point and zoom to anyplace on
the planet that you want to explore. Satellite images and local facts zoom
into view. Tap into Google search to show local points of interest and
facts. Zoom to a specific address to check out an apartment or hotel. View
driving directions and even fly along your route."

 -- from http://earth.google.com/earth.html

 Google Earth is free for personal use, and is available for Linux,
Mac OS X, and something called "Windows".

About SLUG
--

 SLUG is the Seacoast Linux User Group, and is a chapter of GNHLUG, the
Greater NH Linux User Group.  Rob Anderson is the SLUG coordinator.  SLUG
meets the second Monday of every month, same time, same place.  You can find
out more about SLUG and GNHLUG at the http://slug.gnhlug.org/ and
http://www.gnhlug.org/ websites.

Meetings take place starting at 7:00 PM.  Meetings are open to all.  The
meeting proper ends around 9ish, but it's not uncommon to find hangers-on
there until 10 or later.  They take place in Room 301 (the third floor
conference room), of Morse Hall, at the University of New Hampshire, in
Durham.
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Re: Google Earth Available for Linux...

2006-11-12 Thread thinkliberty
Sabayon linux has a live CD with google earth on it.  http://www.sabayonlinux.orgOn 11/12/06, Fred <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:In case you didn't know,Google Earth is now availabe for Linux:
http://earth.google.com/download-earth.htmlI tried running it on my FC5 system, but ran into problems with GLX. Perhapsyou'll have better luck.
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Re: Google Earth Available for Linux...

2006-11-12 Thread Brian Chabot


Fred wrote:
> In case you didn't know,
> Google Earth is now availabe for Linux:
>
> http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html

Mandriva runs it fine, both 32 bit and 64 bit.  It has for a few months now.

I like it. It's a serious time waster  I love it.

Brian
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Re: Novell,MS and Xen

2006-11-12 Thread Bill Sconce
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 22:54:11 +0300
"Jeffry Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 11/11/06, Bruce Dawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Not to throw cold water on these well-fanned flames but...
> >
> > Prediction: Microsoft will buy Novell/SUSE or otherwise acquire all the
> > Unix IP and try to litigate Linux/Unix out of business. Then it will
> > turn its lawyer cannons on the GPL.
> >
> 
> Only one problem - I doubt Novell owns all the Unix copyrights. 


And SCO didn't own Unix copyrights either.

SCO's lawsuits are not, and were never, likely to prevail.  But lack
of basis didn't stop lawsuits from happening.  As long as money has
continued to be available there has been continuing court action,
and continuing FUD in the press which *ahem* somebody may have found
convenient.

(True, harassment/FUD lawsuits cost big money.  But that didn't stop
SCO.  They were even able to find investors to pitch in and help...)

-Bill
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Google Earth Available for Linux...

2006-11-12 Thread Fred
In case you didn't know,
Google Earth is now availabe for Linux:

http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html

I tried running it on my FC5 system, but ran into problems with GLX. Perhaps 
you'll have better luck.

-Fred
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Re: MythTV hw question

2006-11-12 Thread Jeff Macdonald
On 11/12/06, Derek Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Quoting Jeff Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:> On 11/12/06, Derek Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> 
>>> Some VGA outs can only get up to 1080i and can't get the throughput>> of 1080p, especially since I'm asking for nearly 995328000 B/s (unless>> I've miscalulated 1920 x 1080 x 4 x 120...
>>> Another thing to remember is Myth is moving to using OpenGL Fonts and if I> understood things correctly, many TV-Out ports don't support that.I'm ignoring the TV-Out port; there is NO TV-Out that can output HDTV,
so that's ireelevant to this discussion.  Useful to someone else, butirrelevant to me.Ah, didn't know that. So because I don't own anything HD yet, do most HDTVs have a VGA port on them?
-- Jeff MacdonaldAyer, MA
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Re: MythTV hw question

2006-11-12 Thread Dave Johnson
Derek Atkins writes:
> Some VGA outs can only get up to 1080i and can't get the throughput
> of 1080p, especially since I'm asking for nearly 995328000 B/s (unless
> I've miscalulated 1920 x 1080 x 4 x 120...

That's the first issue, since these boards use main memory for the
video you'll need high bandwidth RAM to feed the chipset. 1080p is
only about 8MB so size isn't an issue bandwidth may be.

The second issue is the max dot clock the chipset can drive out the VGA
port.

My CN400 shows: (II) VIA(0): Clock range:  20.00 to 230.00 MHz

That clock must include not just the visible picture but the sync and
blanking after each line needed by the actual display device on the
other end.

Some searching found these lines for 60hz:

Modeline "1920x1080i60"  74.25  1920 1976 2008 2200  1080 1083 1085 1125 +Hsync 
+Vsync Interlace
Modeline "1920x1080p60" 148.50  1920 1976 2008 2200  1080 1083 1085 1125 +Hsync 
+Vsync

148Mhz clock is needed for [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] would require a
297Mhz clock which is beyond the VIA chipset's limit of 230Mhz.

There is also good info here:

http://www.linuxis.us/linux/media/howto/linux-htpc/video_card_configuration.html



I plugged in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] line and got this:

(II) VIA(0): ViaValidMode: Validating 1920x1080 (148500)
(II) VIA(0): ViaModePrimaryVGAValid
(II) VIA(0): Required bandwidth is not available. (497664000 > 46100)

The clock was ok, but memory bandwidth was insufficent.  This system
has a PC2700 DIMM, a PC3200 DIMM would probably be enough and DDR2
would be fine too.   The X driver actually measures the memory
bandwidth on startup.




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Dave

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Re: MythTV hw question

2006-11-12 Thread Derek Atkins

Quoting Jeff Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


On 11/12/06, Derek Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Some VGA outs can only get up to 1080i and can't get the throughput
of 1080p, especially since I'm asking for nearly 995328000 B/s (unless
I've miscalulated 1920 x 1080 x 4 x 120...



Another thing to remember is Myth is moving to using OpenGL Fonts and if I
understood things correctly, many TV-Out ports don't support that.


I'm ignoring the TV-Out port; there is NO TV-Out that can output HDTV,
so that's ireelevant to this discussion.  Useful to someone else, but
irrelevant to me.

That's why I'm asking for the actual VGA specs.  I suppose I'm going to
have to contact their technical support lines once I'm close.  Then
of course I get to decide how I want to get IR into the box -- do I
put in a PVR-250 and make it a slave backend or do I do something else?

-derek

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Re: Venezuela goes Linux?

2006-11-12 Thread Ben Scott

On 11/12/06, Jon maddog Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  The next day, Microsoft announces they are opening a Technology Center in
Venezuela, and will be offering deep discounts and large grants to Venezuelan
schools and businesses.


Maybe.  But you should remember that Mr. Chavez considers Bush the "devil".  If 
he
considers Bush the devil, then maybe having FOSS as a "back up" to using 
Microsoft
is considered to be a good tactical, if not strategic, move.


 My remark wasn't intended to imply that all of these sorts of
government announcements are just attempts to leverage more discounts
out of Microsoft (although I'm sure some of them are).  Rather, it was
an observation that Microsoft's first reaction to these sorts of
things is always to start trying to bribe the market with short-term
incentives, designed to preserve their lock-in for the long-term.

 That trend has what I hope are obvious parallels with the recent Novell deal.

-- Ben
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Re: MythTV hw question

2006-11-12 Thread Jeff Macdonald
On 11/12/06, Derek Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Some VGA outs can only get up to 1080i and can't get the throughputof 1080p, especially since I'm asking for nearly 995328000 B/s (unlessI've miscalulated 1920 x 1080 x 4 x 120...Another thing to remember is Myth is moving to using OpenGL Fonts and if I understood things correctly, many TV-Out ports don't support that.
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Re: Venezuela goes Linux?

2006-11-12 Thread Jon maddog Hall

[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>   The next day, Microsoft announces they are opening a Technology Center in
> Venezuela, and will be offering deep discounts and large grants to Venezuelan
> schools and businesses.

Maybe.  But you should remember that Mr. Chavez considers Bush the "devil".  If 
he
considers Bush the devil, then maybe having FOSS as a "back up" to using 
Microsoft
is considered to be a good tactical, if not strategic, move.

md
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Re: Venezuela goes Linux?

2006-11-12 Thread Ben Scott

On 11/11/06, David Ecklein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Item from a Venezuela news list (www.VHeadline.com):

"Chavez opens free technologies center in Merida:  President Hugo Chavez
Frias has visited Merida to open the National Center of Development and
Research in Free Technologies (Cendital).


 The next day, Microsoft announces they are opening a Technology
Center in Venezuela, and will be offering deep discounts and large
grants to Venezuelan schools and businesses.

 At least, that's what usually happens.

-- Ben
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Re: Novell,MS and Xen

2006-11-12 Thread Ben Scott

On 11/11/06, Jeffry Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:might

Only one problem - I doubt Novell owns all the Unix copyrights.


 I've noticed that reality is not the dominating factor in the world
of big court battles.

 My personal pet-conspiracy-theory is that this is just Microsoft's
first step in an attempt to gain control of Linux by buying or
destroying major Linux companies.  Which is not to say that the
attempt will succeed.  Thankfully, ownership "Linux" as software is so
diverse that I think even Microsoft would find that impossible.  But
they may well make life difficult.  Worse, they could scare the
commercial markets.  There's lots of companies that want a company
(like Red Hat, Novell, etc.) behind their Linux operations, because it
makes their suits feel better.  A full-on assault from Microsoft could
make the suits feel worried indeed.


And, it makes no difference to Linux anyway.  No patents left (over 20
years), Trademark to The Open Group, no trade secrets.  That leaves
copyrights.  Which Linux doesn't violate.


 You're assuming any "intellectual property" that Linux might
"violate" is from the original Unix source.  Linux is largely new
code, and there are plenty of new ideas in it.  Say Microsoft says
some algorithm Linux 2.4 introduced is patented by them.  That's
ammunition for a court attack.  Even if it's bullsh*t, by the time
that gets settled, Red Hat (or whoever) might be mortally wounded.

-- Ben
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Re: MythTV hw question

2006-11-12 Thread Derek Atkins

I want to be sure that before I go and spend $150-200 on the board (and
even more to get the memory and other stuff that goes with it) that
the machine can actually output the 1080p VGA signal that I want.
There are two issues at hand:

 1) Being able to decode 720p and 1080i MPEG signals
 2) Being able to translate, resize, and deinterlace those HD signals.
 3) Being able to display a 1080p VGA signal, preferably at 120Hz

Some VGA outs can only get up to 1080i and can't get the throughput
of 1080p, especially since I'm asking for nearly 995328000 B/s (unless
I've miscalulated 1920 x 1080 x 4 x 120...

-derek

Quoting Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


 I believe the maximum resolution out the VGA pot is 1920x1080.  But out of
curiosity, what exactly are you asking for?  It can easily handle standard
HD resolutions.

 Thomas

On 11/11/06, Derek Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


They don't specify the VGA output resolution, and I can't seem to
find that specification anywhere.  I even downloaded their PDF
Manual and that info isn't in it.







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Re: MythTV hw question

2006-11-12 Thread Thomas Charron
  I believe the maximum resolution out the VGA pot is 1920x1080.  But out of curiosity, what exactly are you asking for?  It can easily handle standard HD resolutions.  Thomas
On 11/11/06, Derek Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
They don't specify the VGA output resolution, and I can't seem tofind that specification anywhere.  I even downloaded their PDFManual and that info isn't in it.
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[programming] Thread Safe STL

2006-11-12 Thread Jerry Feldman
I sent this out to a couple of other lists.
The Linux C++ STL (Standard Template Library) is not threadsafe.
 
I'm working on a project where I will need the functionality of the STL
but it also must be threadsafe. 
Currently, the only one I am familiar with is Rogue Wave® SourcePro®
C++. I've used this before, and the company I am working with has used
it in some of their products, but their version is several years old. 
Other than STL, Rogue Wave® contains libraries for things like Linear
Algebra (LAPACK). 
Tony Gabrielson mentioned QT, which is a possibility.
What I would like to know is if there are other good commercial or
OpenSource threadsafe STLs. 

BTW: The C++ standards committee will probably never endorse
threadsafeness. 

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