Re: Linux at least mentioned in passing as an alternative to Windows

2007-01-18 Thread Bill McGonigle


On Jan 18, 2007, at 12:21, Drew Van Zandt wrote:


I know him, I'll rattle his cage in person, see if I can get him to
try installing Ubuntu.


Do you have half an hour to hold his hand for an install?  Seeing is  
believing.


If not, maybe somebody down in Hippo territory does.

-Bill

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Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-18 Thread Bill McGonigle


On Jan 18, 2007, at 14:11, Ted Roche wrote:

A quick visit to http://www.cmsmatrix.org shows that many  
contenders (Drupal, Joomla!, Plone, TWiki) all are listed as having  
Event Calendars as an add-on. The feature breakdown doesn't get  
into the specifics of iCal, vCal, hCalendar, etc. which different  
users may want.


There are also dedicated calendaring applications.  One that seems to  
have the attention of people who really care about calendars is  
bedework:


  http://www.bedework.org/bedework/update.do?artcenterkey=10

It might be overkill but tracking the latest calendaring standards is  
what gets them excited.


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[GNHLUG] DLSLUG Monthly Meeting - February 1st

2007-01-18 Thread Bill McGonigle

***
Dartmouth-Lake Sunapee Linux User Group
http://www.dlslug.org/
***

The next regular monthly meeting of the DLSLUG will be held:
Thursday, February 1st, 7-9PM
at:   Dartmouth College, Carson Hall, Room L02
   All are welcome, free of charge.

 Agenda

7:00  Sign-in, networking

7:15  Introductory remarks

7:20  SQLite: A Simple, Embeddable, Relational Database Engine
Presented by John Harris

  SQLite is an easy to use, yet powerful relational database
  engine for embedding in applications (i.e., it has no
  permissions or access control of its own). There are many
  reasons to use it in applications of all sizes, and
  administrators and developers will also find it is "the missing
  UNIX tool," for everyday tasks.

  John Harris is a software developer and engineer, and owner of
  Unencumbered Design, LLC. He has fifteen years experience in
  research data management systems design, at Dartmouth and as an
  independent consultant.


8:50  Roundtable Exchange - where the attendees can make
   announcements or ask a linux question of the group.

Please see the website for links to directions.

If any area companies are interested in sponsoring refreshments, please
let me know.

Please RSVP so we can give a theoretical refreshment sponsor a
headcount.
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MAILING LISTS

There are two primary mailman lists set up for DLSLUG, an Announce
list and a Discuss list.  Please sign up for the Announce list
(moderated, low-volume) to stay apprised of the group's activities
and the Discuss list (unmoderated) for group discussion.
Links to the mailing lists are on the webpage.

Please pass this announcement along to anyone else who may be
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Re: Linux on Compaq Presario Laptop...

2007-01-18 Thread mike miller
I've been having trouble getting FC6 to recognize the Realtek RTL8139 NIC on 
another motherboard although Ubuntu did. I had some other issues with Ubuntu 
so I'm trying to get it working with FC6.  Let me know how you make out.


Mike Miller

Mike Miller
- Original Message - 
From: "mike shlitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 4:25 PM
Subject: Linux on Compaq Presario Laptop...



Hi All,

I recently inherited a fairly new Compaq Presario
V2000 Laptop (V2606CU).  It came to me with MSW Home
on it and I'd like to switch it over to FC, CentOS, or
Ubuntu.  (Any suggestions or caveats welcome).

CPU is a Mobile AMD Sempron Processor 3000+  (787 MHz)

Current RAM = 256 MB (I know...)  of which 32 MB is
shared by the ATI Radeon Express 200M.  (system is
capable of 2GB, and user can then set video RAM up to
128MB.)

40 GB HDD
Matsushita UJDA 770 DVD/CDRW drive
RealTek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC
Broadcom 802.11 b/g WLAN
Conexant AC-Link Audio
AC 97 Data/FAX Soft modem w Smart CP

(Also has a 7+ GB FAT 32 partition loaded with HP's
usual extras.)


Mike





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Re: Free system boards

2007-01-18 Thread Shawn K. O'Shea


I will have (1) case each of 2 different kinds of SuperMicro Socket
370 system boards to giveaway.



Well one of the boards is the SuperMicro 370SED. For those that got this
one, here's all the pertinent links you'll want.

Spec page (no longer available on supermicro.com but the Wayback Machine has
it)
http://web.archive.org/web/20040203000531/http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/MotherBoards/810/370SED.htm

PDF Manual
http://www.supermicro.com/manuals/motherboard/810/MNL-0618.pdf

BIOS Update Page
http://www.supermicro.com/support/bios/

Direct Link to last BIOS
http://www.supermicro.com/support/bios/BIOS_ZIP/swa4142.zip

And if necessary, an INF for the onboard AC97 audio
http://www.supermicro.com/downloadables/audio_codec/smwdm.inf

I'll hopefully have time this weekend to fire mine up.

-Shawn
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Re: CD/DVD writer woes

2007-01-18 Thread Jason Stephenson

I know I'm coming late to the party, but

Paul Lussier wrote:

"Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


An older version of cdrecord sees both drives, but can't write to it ...

  So what does it being a newer version of cdrecord/wodim have to do
with the problem?


I can only find 2 versions of the software in the debian archives, the
one in stable and the one in testing (I haven't looked in unstable).

The older (stable) version can see one of the drives but not write to
it.  The newer (testing) version can't do either.



I highly recommend getting the *real* cdrecord software from Jorg 
Schilling's site and building it from the tarball.


http://freshmeat.net/projects/cdrecord/


The version in Debian, as it clearly states, is not the actual cdrecord 
from Jorg's cdrtools. There was a license dispute/clash of egos and many 
distros (or was it just Debian?) yanked Jorg's cdrtools package. I 
believe it has something to do with him wanting to charge money for the 
version that can actually burn to DVD. It also has something to do with 
his insistence on maintaining the quaint, SCSI-oriented device numbering.


I'm sure that if you had a version that worked in the past, it was 
Jorg's and not the mangled one that Debian now ships. (I'm not saying 
that the Debian version is no good, but it clearly isn't working in this 
case and the version that did work in the past likely came from one of 
the links at the freshmeat site above.


HTH,
Jason
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[OOPS!] Re: Free system boards

2007-01-18 Thread aluminumsulfate

Oops, sorry!  That was intended to be a private message
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Re: Free system boards

2007-01-18 Thread aluminumsulfate
> From: brk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:51:31 -0500

> I will have (1) case each of 2 different kinds of SuperMicro Socket  
> 370 system boards to giveaway.  A few people voiced interest in  
> obtaining one of these boards when I posted up in my office-cleaning  
> email a couple of weeks back.  Please be polite and make sure those  

Yes, I voiced interest in them and a few other things you posted.
However, when I got to the Amherst dump, I could find nothing from
your list.  If these boards really exist, please save one for me.
Thanks!
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Re: [GNHLUG] MerriLUG Nashua, Thur 18 January, Jarod Wilson Expounds MythTV

2007-01-18 Thread Jim Kuzdrall
On Thursday 18 January 2007 04:04 pm, Adam Helbling wrote:
> On 1/17/07, Jim Kuzdrall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Who : Jarod Wilson, Red Hat, Author "Hacking MythTV (ExtremeTech)"
> > What : MythTV review, tips, questions answered, books autographed.
> > Where: Martha's Exchange
> > Day : Thur 18 January **Tomorrow**
> > Time : 6:00 PM for grub, 7:30 PM for discussion
>
> I just saw this RSVP requirement, I havn't been to a GNHLUG in
> sometime, is there enough room for my wife and me?

You are the 26 and 27 sign-up, but I told them 35 this morning, so 
you are in.  See you there.

Jim Kuzdrall
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Re: Linux on Compaq Presario Laptop...

2007-01-18 Thread Michael Nolin
 40 GB HDD
> Matsushita UJDA 770 DVD/CDRW drive
> RealTek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC
> Broadcom 802.11 b/g WLAN

Broadcom 802.11 b/g WLAN

My Dell has this part, had to install an NDIS driver
as there are not Linux drivers for it. Unless one has
been released in the last two years.

 Mike

Embedded Solutions Unlimited, LLC

--- mike shlitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




 

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Re: [GNHLUG] MerriLUG Nashua, Thur 18 January, Jarod Wilson Expounds MythTV

2007-01-18 Thread Ted Roche

On Jan 18, 2007, at 4:04 PM, Adam Helbling wrote:

I just saw this RSVP requirement, I havn't been to a GNHLUG in  
sometime, is there enough room for my wife and me?


I think Jim tries to reserve enough space for dinner so we can  
accomodate a few extras. We often overflow into the surrounding tables.


Ted Roche
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Linux on Compaq Presario Laptop...

2007-01-18 Thread mike shlitz
Hi All,

I recently inherited a fairly new Compaq Presario
V2000 Laptop (V2606CU).  It came to me with MSW Home
on it and I'd like to switch it over to FC, CentOS, or
Ubuntu.  (Any suggestions or caveats welcome).

CPU is a Mobile AMD Sempron Processor 3000+  (787 MHz)

Current RAM = 256 MB (I know...)  of which 32 MB is
shared by the ATI Radeon Express 200M.  (system is
capable of 2GB, and user can then set video RAM up to
128MB.)

40 GB HDD
Matsushita UJDA 770 DVD/CDRW drive
RealTek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC
Broadcom 802.11 b/g WLAN
Conexant AC-Link Audio
AC 97 Data/FAX Soft modem w Smart CP

(Also has a 7+ GB FAT 32 partition loaded with HP's
usual extras.)


Mike



 

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Re: [GNHLUG] MerriLUG Nashua, Thur 18 January, Jarod Wilson Expounds MythTV

2007-01-18 Thread Adam Helbling

On 1/17/07, Jim Kuzdrall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Who : Jarod Wilson, Red Hat, Author "Hacking MythTV (ExtremeTech)"
What : MythTV review, tips, questions answered, books autographed.
Where: Martha's Exchange
Day : Thur 18 January **Tomorrow**
Time : 6:00 PM for grub, 7:30 PM for discussion

:



I just saw this RSVP requirement, I havn't been to a GNHLUG in sometime, is
there enough room for my wife and me?

-Adam
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[GNHLUG] CentraLUG, Feb 5th, NHTI: Matt Brodeur GnuPG and OpenPGP, keysigning.

2007-01-18 Thread Ted Roche
The monthly meeting of CentraLUG, the Concord/Central NH GNHLUG  
chapter, happens the first Monday of most months on the New Hampshire  
Institute Campus starting at 7 PM. Next month's meeting is on  
February 5th at 7 PM.


Directions and maps are available at http://www.centralug.org and on  
the NHTI site at http://www.nhti.edu/welcome/directions.htm. This  
month, we'll be meeting at our usual location in the Library/Learning  
Center/Bookstore, room 146, marked as "I" on that map. The main  
meeting starts at 7 PM, and we finish by 9 PM. Open to the public.  
Free admission. Tell your friends.


At this month's meeting, Matt Brodeur will present an introduction to  
e-mail and file security using Pretty Good Privacy (PGP)[1]. The talk  
will cover basic concepts of encryption and digital signatures.  
Examples and demos will use GNU Privacy Guard (GnuPG, [2]), a free  
(GPL) implementation of the OpenPGP standard available for most  
modern operating systems. Following the presentation, a PGP  
keysigning event will be held. Anyone interested in exchanging key  
signatures with other local PGP users can find details on our  
website,... as soon as we've set it up. Stay tuned.


Matt Brodeur is a Quality Assurance Engineer at Red Hat in Westford,  
MA and volunteer in local LUGs. He has previously presented OpenPGP  
talks at the Boston Linux & Unix User Group.[3]


More details on the group and directions to the meeting can be found  
at http://www.centralug.org and at http://www.gnhlug.org.


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy
[2] http://www.gnupg.org
[3] http://www.blu.org
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Free system boards

2007-01-18 Thread brk
I'm going to be at Martha's at 1730 tonight, but won't be staying for  
the meeting.


I will have (1) case each of 2 different kinds of SuperMicro Socket  
370 system boards to giveaway.  A few people voiced interest in  
obtaining one of these boards when I posted up in my office-cleaning  
email a couple of weeks back.  Please be polite and make sure those  
folks get one of the boards they have dibbs on.  Otherwise, anyone  
and everyone is welcome to divide them up in whatever manner you see  
fit.


--
brk

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Re: Linux at least mentioned in passing as an alternative to Windows

2007-01-18 Thread kenta

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Travis Roy wrote:

Here's the text


Thanks for posting the text.  For everyone's benefit I've trimmed it down 
to a single framented sentence:



Or just buy a Mac.


I'm sure some of you are rolling your eyes and thinking "Ugh mac fanboy!" 
I really do like my linux machines. At my home they're like the red headed 
step children of the family. Here's why:


I have DVD burning issues. Once, when I was running an early SUSE 9.x 
release I was able to burn DVD's. Ever since moving to Ubuntu 
(Dapper/Breezy & now Edgy) the system wont recognize blanks.  Yanked the 
drive the other day and it burns fine under another OS. I have yet to 
really dive into why there is no love for the dvd burner. I may run 
cdrecord to see if I'm having a similar issue here as Paul, but at this 
moment I don't recall what error was coming up.


On the same machine I've tried to get beryl working to no avail. At one 
point I did get it loaded but it was absurdly slow so I don't count that 
as "working". Even without beryl I swear that gnome seems sluggish. The 
simple act of dragging a window around the screen isn't quite fluid. Tried 
both the 'ati' and 'fglrx' drivers with no noticable improvements. I'm 
starting to be an ATI hater so to top it off...


Upgraded my MythTV box to a newer ubuntu release and with the new release 
I'd tossed on the newest ATI drivers. Now mplayer no longer works 
correctly to display full screen video unless I use the -vo x11 option 
which results in some playback choppiness and inability to zoom/scale the 
video as it's playing :( However after some research I guess ATI is to 
blame due to some issues with their driver. Here's a word of advice for 
anything building a myth box and will be attempting to use composite or 
s-video out directly to their TV: Get a Nvidia-based card.


-Kenta

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Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-18 Thread Thomas Charron

On 1/18/07, Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Overheard at a recent LUG meeting: "And we need a real calendar, too!"



 Too bad PerlCal isn't free.

http://www.wiltonlibrary.org/calendar/calendar/ is an example of it in use.

--
-- Thomas
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Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-18 Thread Ted Roche

Seth Cohn wrote:

Fair enough... Let the competition for the best locally managed
calendaring begin!

Let's build a list of Contenders:
A quick visit to http://www.cmsmatrix.org shows that many contenders 
(Drupal, Joomla!, Plone, TWiki) all are listed as having Event Calendars 
as an add-on. The feature breakdown doesn't get into the specifics of 
iCal, vCal, hCalendar, etc. which different users may want.


Attacking the problem from the other side, what are our requirements?

1. Easy for event coordinators to enter
2. Limited access for specific users (logins, access)? Spam/spoof/phish 
prevention.

3. Easily hacked data (text, MySQL, Postgres, etc.)?
4. Well-accepted format(s) for subscription and publishing (RSS, iCal, 
vCal, others?)? Who/what are we targetting?

5. Volunteer willing to install, configure and maintain?
6. As I posted, I've set up a dummy calendar in Google, just to see what 
it was like, and also subscribed to it. Let me check on what formats it 
accepts as incoming data.
7. On top of Ben's list, it sure would be nice if updating the calendar 
could trigger submissions to our media outlets, but like composing the 
announcements, I suspect this is a pipe dream...


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Re: Vonage vs. Verizon [was: Anyone had experience with Comcast SMC modem/router? ]

2007-01-18 Thread Kevin D. Clark

Tom Buskey writes:

> What other system is engineered for failure as well as the POTS stuff?
> Railroad signaling?  Lunar Lander life support?  Fighter aircraft?

For some insights into how to implement software systems of this
quality, look here:

  http://www.fastcompany.com/online/06/writestuff.html

Regards,

--kevin
-- 
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved 
it correct, not tried it.
   -- Donald Knuth

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Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-18 Thread brk

As long as it alerts everyone to my birthday, I don't care :)

This is (maybe) completely off topic, but I think it would be a neat/ 
cool/fun project to make this a mini development project and build it  
ourselves.



On Jan 18, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Ben Scott wrote:


On 1/18/07, Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Overheard at a recent LUG meeting: "And we need a real calendar,  
too!"


 I want something that will:

- Automatically know when regular meetings are
- Allow special events to be entered, too
- Let local group coordinators fill in the details for each event
- Auto email local group coordinatorss if they haven't filled in  
details on time
- Auto generate a monthly announcement mailing with the upcoming  
events

- Auto update the web page with the upcoming events

-- Ben
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Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-18 Thread Ben Scott

On 1/18/07, Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Overheard at a recent LUG meeting: "And we need a real calendar, too!"


 I want something that will:

- Automatically know when regular meetings are
- Allow special events to be entered, too
- Let local group coordinators fill in the details for each event
- Auto email local group coordinatorss if they haven't filled in details on time
- Auto generate a monthly announcement mailing with the upcoming events
- Auto update the web page with the upcoming events

-- Ben
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Re: Re: Linux at least mentioned in passing as an alternative to Windows

2007-01-18 Thread Drew Van Zandt

I know him, I'll rattle his cage in person, see if I can get him to
try installing Ubuntu.

--DTVZ
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Re: Re: Linux at least mentioned in passing as an alternative to Windows

2007-01-18 Thread Mark Mcsweeney



Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:34:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Linux at least mentioned in passing as an alternative to
Windows
Here's the text


Or, consider something else entirely. If you really want a new operating
system, there are plenty of options out there for experimentation. And
they're free.

Yeah, I'm talkin' 'bout Linux. I know what you're thinking: no
applications, spotty hardware support and lots of command-line typing. I
can't honestly tell you that Linux is free of these disadvantages, but it's
easier than ever to try out Linux without a lot of pain.

Various Linux distributions have long been available for free download.
All you needed was patience and a CD burner and a willingness to futz with
your hard drive's partitions. That was too much commitment and risk for some
people.

Now, many distributions let you download what's called a Live CD. There's
nothing to install — once you download the operating system and burn it to
CD, it runs right from that. In some cases, you can even download to a USB
flash drive. Best of all, a few distributions have been made a lot smaller
for a quick download.

Take SLAX. Based on the hardcore Linux geek's favorite distro, Slackware,
SLAX comes in a few compact sizes. Frodo Edition is 53MB, but it's just a
text console. Popcorn Edition is twice the size at 115MB, but includes a
graphical user interface, the Firefox browser and AbiWord document editor.

Damn Small Linux packs a graphical desktop, a music player, three
browsers, spreadsheet and word processing programs and a bunch more into
just 50MB. Like SLAX, it can run from a mini CD or a USB drive.

There are literally too many other options to list here, but try looking
at www.livecdlist.com. Or just buy a Mac.

---

I think he's a bit off the mark. Ubuntu, Fedora, Etc. are all VERY easy to
install (easier than Windows at this point). Also, I don't know any
"desktop" linux that -requires- you to mess around with partitions during
the install.

He also fails to bring up really quality desktop linux distros like I
mentioned, focusing more on LiveCDs (and not very popular or widespread ones
in my opinion).

Talking about a "Frodo edition" that's only 53MB but is only a console is
going to have people worried about trying Linux running for the hills.

On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:18 AM, Mark Mcsweeney wrote:

Saw this article in the Hippo Press:

http://www.hippopress.com/techie.html

mentioned was the option of switching to alternative OS when Vista comes
out.

I also wrote an email to him recommending that he look at some of the
current distros and review them in his columns.  It will be interesting if
and how he responds.


Mark

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I agree that he is a little "off the mark".  I appears to me that it has
been a long time since he tried a Linux distro. In my mail to him I
specifically mentioned Ubuntu and all of the other "buntus" and that they
have come a long way and are much more "mainstream" now and are very easy to
install.  In addition I encouraged him to attend a the MerriLUG meeting in
Nashua tonight and to check out the GNHLUG website to see all of the LUGs we
have here in NH and how to get involved.


Mark
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Re: Linux at least mentioned in passing as an alternative to Windows

2007-01-18 Thread Ted Roche

On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:18 AM, Mark Mcsweeney wrote:


Saw this article in the Hippo Press:

http://www.hippopress.com/techie.html

mentioned was the option of switching to alternative OS when Vista  
comes out.


I also wrote an email to him recommending that he look at some of  
the current distros and review them in his columns.  It will be  
interesting if and how he responds.




Looking forward to a followup.

FYI, the archival URL for that column appears to be:

http://www.hippopress.com/070111/techie.html

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Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-18 Thread Bill Sconce
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:12:47 -0500
"Jon 'maddog' Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 10:51 -0500, Seth Cohn wrote:
> > I've been recommending Google Calendar lately as the best option out
> > there, for the least amount of work.  There are other choices, other
> > calendars/wikis/cmses which will export ics and other standards, but
> > so far, Google Calendar is the most feature rich.
>  
> 
> Normally other paranoid people will raise their hands, but I will jump
> in here to say that as platonic as Google is, I do not like to depend on
> completely "managed services".




-1 on managed services.

Bill


"Normally paranoid."  Hm.  Has a nice ring to it...:)
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Re: Linux at least mentioned in passing as an alternative to Windows

2007-01-18 Thread Travis Roy

Here's the text


Or, consider something else entirely. If you really want a new  
operating system, there are plenty of options out there for  
experimentation. And they’re free.


Yeah, I’m talkin’ ‘bout Linux. I know what you’re thinking: no  
applications, spotty hardware support and lots of command-line  
typing. I can’t honestly tell you that Linux is free of these  
disadvantages, but it’s easier than ever to try out Linux without a  
lot of pain.


Various Linux distributions have long been available for free  
download. All you needed was patience and a CD burner and a  
willingness to futz with your hard drive’s partitions. That was too  
much commitment and risk for some people.


Now, many distributions let you download what’s called a Live CD.  
There’s nothing to install — once you download the operating system  
and burn it to CD, it runs right from that. In some cases, you can  
even download to a USB flash drive. Best of all, a few distributions  
have been made a lot smaller for a quick download.


Take SLAX. Based on the hardcore Linux geek’s favorite distro,  
Slackware, SLAX comes in a few compact sizes. Frodo Edition is 53MB,  
but it’s just a text console. Popcorn Edition is twice the size at  
115MB, but includes a graphical user interface, the Firefox browser  
and AbiWord document editor.


Damn Small Linux packs a graphical desktop, a music player, three  
browsers, spreadsheet and word processing programs and a bunch more  
into just 50MB. Like SLAX, it can run from a mini CD or a USB drive.


There are literally too many other options to list here, but try  
looking at www.livecdlist.com. Or just buy a Mac.


---

I think he's a bit off the mark. Ubuntu, Fedora, Etc. are all VERY  
easy to install (easier than Windows at this point). Also, I don't  
know any "desktop" linux that -requires- you to mess around with  
partitions during the install.


He also fails to bring up really quality desktop linux distros like I  
mentioned, focusing more on LiveCDs (and not very popular or  
widespread ones in my opinion).


Talking about a "Frodo edition" that's only 53MB but is only a  
console is going to have people worried about trying Linux running  
for the hills.


On Jan 18, 2007, at 11:18 AM, Mark Mcsweeney wrote:


Saw this article in the Hippo Press:

http://www.hippopress.com/techie.html

mentioned was the option of switching to alternative OS when Vista  
comes out.


I also wrote an email to him recommending that he look at some of  
the current distros and review them in his columns.  It will be  
interesting if and how he responds.



Mark

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Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-18 Thread Seth Cohn

Fair enough... Let the competition for the best locally managed
calendaring begin!

Let's build a list of Contenders:

My personal experience:

Drupal: exports ics files and rss, using the event module
[doesn't not import ical...yet. been waiting for that a long time]
http://drupal.org/project/event

PhpICalendar: reads icals, displays nicely, exports rss
http://phpicalendar.net

What else do people recommend?

On 1/18/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I do not mind developing the information and having Google as ONE of the
places that distributes it, but I would prefer to have GNHLUG as a place
where I can grab a "standard input" (whatever that is) and put it into
my calendar, as well as have other people find it and put it (or have it
fed) into their calendars.

md



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Linux at least mentioned in passing as an alternative to Windows

2007-01-18 Thread Mark Mcsweeney

Saw this article in the Hippo Press:

http://www.hippopress.com/techie.html

mentioned was the option of switching to alternative OS when Vista comes
out.

I also wrote an email to him recommending that he look at some of the
current distros and review them in his columns.  It will be interesting if
and how he responds.


Mark
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Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-18 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 10:51 -0500, Seth Cohn wrote:
> I've been recommending Google Calendar lately as the best option out
> there, for the least amount of work.  There are other choices, other
> calendars/wikis/cmses which will export ics and other standards, but
> so far, Google Calendar is the most feature rich.
> 

Normally other paranoid people will raise their hands, but I will jump
in here to say that as platonic as Google is, I do not like to depend on
completely "managed services".

I do not mind developing the information and having Google as ONE of the
places that distributes it, but I would prefer to have GNHLUG as a place
where I can grab a "standard input" (whatever that is) and put it into
my calendar, as well as have other people find it and put it (or have it
fed) into their calendars.

md

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Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-18 Thread Seth Cohn

I've been recommending Google Calendar lately as the best option out
there, for the least amount of work.  There are other choices, other
calendars/wikis/cmses which will export ics and other standards, but
so far, Google Calendar is the most feature rich.

On 1/18/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

so having something
that could feed events directly into the Evolution calendar would be
interesting.  Or just a calendar that supports the .ics standard.  Then
we could publish it on the icalshare.com website as well as others.

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Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-18 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
I recently switched from the venerable email system that I have been
using for 15 years to Evolution just so I could share calendars (as well
as other information) with a group of co-workers, so having something
that could feed events directly into the Evolution calendar would be
interesting.  Or just a calendar that supports the .ics standard.  Then
we could publish it on the icalshare.com website as well as others.

md

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Re: Vonage vs. Verizon

2007-01-18 Thread Tom Buskey

On 1/17/07, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


"Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   In fairness, the 911concerns (well, the real ones) are not about
> *if* calls can go through, but whether calls will *always* go through,
> and properly.  I'm sure I don't need to tell you, Paul, about the
> differences between "seems to work" and "trusted to always work".  :)

True.  And my data sample is one call...  But there was a public
perception (I'm sure perpetrated by the tradition telcos) that
VoIP-based systems are unreliable and they used the 911 service as a
"well known example".




And in order to compete with the VoIP stuff, the phone companies are
replacing the POTS, which has dumb terminals [phones] and an intelligent
network with a new network (FiOS) with a dumb network and intelligent
terminals.  I'm sure the new networks are no where near as robust.
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Re: Vonage vs. Verizon [was: Anyone had experience with Comcast SMC modem/router? ]

2007-01-18 Thread Tom Buskey

On 1/17/07, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  To say nothing of the redundancies in conventional POTS design
(which really is, in general, some of the most robust engineering I've
ever seen in the public sector).  (Emphisis POTS here -- anything more
than -48 VDC talk battery and the whole story changes.)Redundant
in-building power wiring, redundant battery banks, generator backup
for the batteries, dedicated line for each and every subscriber (pair
gain not withstanding), no electronics anywhere for outside plant,
auto failover for trunk routing, etc.  The infrastructure I've seen in
most Internet provider systems can't hold a candle to it.  Obviously,
any system can still fail, but for the most part, *none* of this
exists for Internet service -- especially home Internet service.



Sadly, I doubt there are many systems engineered as well as the POTS
system.  Bell labs did a study on the effect of lightening on buried lines
even.  Now, they just bury the lines and deal with the consequences.

When I was at Genuity, I heard that the GTE phone switches in the basement
of one of the towers on 9/11 *kept working* until the batteries went dead.
Much of Manhatten's phone lines went through there.

Can your network survive the collapse of a building on top of it?

What other system is engineered for failure as well as the POTS stuff?
Railroad signaling?  Lunar Lander life support?  Fighter aircraft?
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Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-18 Thread Ted Roche

Overheard at a recent LUG meeting: "And we need a real calendar, too!"

This is a call for Requests for Ideas, Volunteers and Naysayers  
(since they'll appear anyway, and bring some reasonable objections,  
too).


www.gnhlug.org's main page lists the who, what, where, when of  
upcoming meetings, with links to details about the groups,  
announcements and notes of past meetings, in a fairly compact if  
uninspired format.


Google also maintains a calendar of the "regular" dates you can see  
at [1]. There's an email announce list. (Is there an archive of the  
announce list?)  What would members actually take advantage of? RSS  
feeds of announce? An iCal/vCal enabled feed that automatically feed  
announcements right into your calendar?


New technology with microformats [2] makes everything not only  
possible, but fairly easy to implement in RFC-compatible ways.


Question #1: Is there a need for this?
Question #2: If so, what format?

I know all of the technology is out there. (I've even implemented  
portions of it on occasion.) My question is not of feasibility, but  
of compelling interest. Can anyone think of a "killer app" reason  
that they would want this?


[1] http://wiki.gnhlug.org/twiki2/bin/view/Main/TedRoche
[2] http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar

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Re: [GNHLUG] MerriLUG Nashua, Thur 18 January, Jarod Wilson Expounds MythTV

2007-01-18 Thread Mark Komarinski
On 01/17/2007 07:14 AM, Jim Kuzdrall wrote:
> Who  : Jarod Wilson, Red Hat, Author "Hacking MythTV (ExtremeTech)"
> What : MythTV review, tips, questions answered, books autographed.
> Where: Martha's Exchange
> Day  : Thur 18 January **Tomorrow**
> Time : 6:00 PM for grub, 7:30 PM for discussion
>
>   
I RSVPd as one for dinner and discussion.  Make it two for both.

-Mark

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Re: Vonage vs. Verizon

2007-01-18 Thread Travis Roy



But, with Broadvoice, I have a choice. With Vonage, I don't.


I suppose, though I don't feel I need a choice at this point.


Oh, okay..

I guess we'll just switch back to one phone company so you get no  
choice at all. Hopefully they'll be willing to even offer VoIP services.


:)


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