Re: SOHO Email Hosting or Alternatives
On 4/23/07, Seth Cohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The price is right, and despite yahoo and hotmail's years ahead in the market, google has swept up the webmail market place and keeps growing Google's Apps are now moving toward replacing Microsoft Office. They won't, but between Google and OpenOffice, the cashcow Google Gmail took the market IMO because: It's fast (enough). It's not cluttered with ads. Spam is filtered to a reasonable level. Most people will not fill up the mailbox. I still have Yahoo, but it's much slower then gmail and the UI requires many more click throughs. They have a newer UI that's slower IMO. It's the AOL syndrome. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Re: What's your favorite email host? (was: SOHO Email Hosting or Alternative
(Have I ever mentioned that MV Tech Support people have unfailingly been friendly, helpful, and accurate?) Try that one, on Verizon... -pc >From: Bill Sconce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 2007/04/23 Mon PM 09:52:19 CDT >To: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org >Subject: Re: What's your favorite email host? (was: SOHO Email Hosting or >Alternatives) >On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:11:00 -0400 >"Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 4/23/07, brk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I could easily throw a server up in my colo and give everyone their >> > own virt boxes for like $10-$20/mo, but the headaches aren't really >> > worth it. >> >> All of the people (all four of them) who have expressed interested >> in this (offline) have repeatedly emphasized that they don't want to >> run their own server. They just want reliable email hosting. >> Something a little bit better than Hotmail or a POP mailbox at their >> local dial-up provider, but nothing so fancy as a dedicated server. > > >How about... MV Communications? > >Inexpensive, EXTREMELY reliable, supporters of Linux (and of GNHLUG >itself, come to think of it). Local. Human beings talk to you. > >I run a number of addresses ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], >[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], plus the >usual [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc.) -- one OP requirement. I don't >have to admin a server -- desired by several commenters. NO headaches. > >-Bill > >P.S. Just last week MV's Tech Support helped me fix a(nother) problem. >With my Linux MUA, no less. (Have I ever mentioned that MV Tech Support >people have unfailingly been friendly, helpful, and accurate?) > >___ >gnhlug-discuss mailing list >gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org >http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: SOHO Email Hosting or Alternatives
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 20:20 -0400, Ben Scott wrote: > On 4/23/07, Python <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Mailbox host rejects spam message during SMTP, alias host tries to > >> send a DSN for spam message, which bounces, resulting in backscatter > >> problems and lots of headaches for alias host postmaster. > > > > I don't really understand this point. Aren't DSN concerns essentially > > the same between the alias host and the mailbox host? > > A lot of mail servers reject spam during the SMTP transaction. If > there is no forwarding involved, the spam cannons just bounce off the > mail server. (Legitimate failures generate a DSN at the originating > system, which also works fine.) But add in an alias/forwarding > system. Now the alias host accepts the spam, and tries to forward it > on to the forwarding target. The target MX rejects during the SMTP > transaction from the forwarder. Since the forwarder is not the > originator, it has to generate a DSN, and then attempt to deliver said > DSN to the originating system, based on the information from the SMTP > envelope. OK. I see what you're saying. I assume my server tolerance for "bad email" matches reasonably well to the final server (Maybe it's fussier). If it was good enough for my server, it will also be acceptable to the mailbox server. I am not generating many DSNs. > Since that information is almost always forged, the alias > host ends up trying to deliver tons of DSNs to all sorts of bogus > addresses -- some of which match to real people, who then email the > postmaster of the alias host and ask them to stop emitting > backscatter. (Or, more likely, threaten bodily harm and/or legal > action.) > > Did that make sense, or just confuse the issue further? :) Thanks for taking the trouble to explain. One other item I've noticed. More and more mail servers are not bothering to report delivery failures. I get complaints about undelivered emails and I respond with log entries showing that their ISP accepted the email for delivery. Presumably the email got silently shunted into the spam heap. > > -- Ben > ___ > gnhlug-discuss mailing list > gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- Lloyd Kvam Venix Corp. 1 Court Street, Suite 378 Lebanon, NH 03766-1358 voice: 603-653-8139 fax:320-210-3409 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
[GNHLUG] DLSLUG: May 3rd - Writing Firefox Extensions
*** Dartmouth-Lake Sunapee Linux User Group http://dlslug.org/ a chapter of GNHLUG - http://gnhlug.org/ *** The next regular monthly meeting of the DLSLUG will be held: Thursday, May 3rd, 7-9PM at: Dartmouth College, Room TBA All are welcome, free of charge. Agenda 7:00 Sign-in, networking 7:15 Introductory remarks 7:20 Writing Firefox Extensions Presented by Roger Trussell Roger Trussell will present "Writing Firefox Extensions". Firefox extensions are small blocks of code that add new functionality to Firefox, from a simple toolbar button to a completely new feature, giving content providers another way to make features more accessible to their end-users. We will see some quick examples of how to build extensions for Firefox 2.x using XML and JavaScript. We will also see a demonstration of some useful extensions available for web content developers. Roger Trussell is a programmer with over five years of experience in a variety of roles for health care, software, research, and manufacturing environments. He has worked at many companies throughout the Upper Valley, including DHMC, ISEE Systems, and Timken Aerospace. Roger holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Computer Science from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. One of Roger's main interests is bridging the gap between programmers and end-users. 8:50 Roundtable Exchange - where the attendees can make announcements or ask a linux question of the group. Please see the website for links to directions. If any area companies are interested in sponsoring refreshments, please let me know. Please RSVP so we can give a theoretical refreshment sponsor a headcount. - MAILING LISTS There are two primary mailman lists set up for DLSLUG, an Announce list and a Discuss list. Please sign up for the Announce list (moderated, low-volume) to stay apprised of the group's activities and the Discuss list (unmoderated) for group discussion. Links to the mailing lists are on the webpage. Please pass this announcement along to anyone else who may be interested. - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-announce/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: SOHO Email Hosting or Alternatives
Hey all, I'd like to recommend a Cpanel or DirectAdmin based web host option - you can get email hosting with nearly any spam filters, web based account administration, forwards, mailing lists, and more at nearly any price point - some even as little as five or ten dollars a month. The control panel interface is typically very easy to use, and will manage your DNS without a problem. It's basically point and click, and most webhosts will have a few webmail clients for you to use as well. Control panels are not as flexible as having root access, true, but nearly all common situations are covered by them - if you need to run a cluster of Mongrel web apps with CPU-heavy ffmpeg processes running in the background, you might need to do your own sysadmining, but for a mail server, you should be all set with Cpanel, Directadmin, H-sphere, et al. In fact, the web hosting industry is hugely competitive and over saturated, and virtually any webhost should be able to take care of most of the situation mentioned here. For simple mail hosting, I wouldn't bother with a VPS - a virtual web host is a simpler, cheaper solution. (Frankly, I personally prefer dedicated hosts anyway - VPSes are typically oversold and usually, at least in my opinion, you get less bang for your buck. Of course, you can't get a useful dedicated machine for less than $80 or so, even from a budget provider like HiVelocity or LayeredTech.) I get my web hosting recommendations from webhostingtalk.com, and for what it's worth, I've had great experience with hostmatters.com. Take it easy, David Berube Berube Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] (603)-485-9622 http://www.berubeconsulting.com/ Lloyd Kvam wrote: On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 20:20 -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On 4/23/07, Python <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mailbox host rejects spam message during SMTP, alias host tries to send a DSN for spam message, which bounces, resulting in backscatter problems and lots of headaches for alias host postmaster. I don't really understand this point. Aren't DSN concerns essentially the same between the alias host and the mailbox host? A lot of mail servers reject spam during the SMTP transaction. If there is no forwarding involved, the spam cannons just bounce off the mail server. (Legitimate failures generate a DSN at the originating system, which also works fine.) But add in an alias/forwarding system. Now the alias host accepts the spam, and tries to forward it on to the forwarding target. The target MX rejects during the SMTP transaction from the forwarder. Since the forwarder is not the originator, it has to generate a DSN, and then attempt to deliver said DSN to the originating system, based on the information from the SMTP envelope. OK. I see what you're saying. I assume my server tolerance for "bad email" matches reasonably well to the final server (Maybe it's fussier). If it was good enough for my server, it will also be acceptable to the mailbox server. I am not generating many DSNs. Since that information is almost always forged, the alias host ends up trying to deliver tons of DSNs to all sorts of bogus addresses -- some of which match to real people, who then email the postmaster of the alias host and ask them to stop emitting backscatter. (Or, more likely, threaten bodily harm and/or legal action.) Did that make sense, or just confuse the issue further? :) Thanks for taking the trouble to explain. One other item I've noticed. More and more mail servers are not bothering to report delivery failures. I get complaints about undelivered emails and I respond with log entries showing that their ISP accepted the email for delivery. Presumably the email got silently shunted into the spam heap. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: SOHO Email Hosting or Alternatives
On 4/24/07, Lloyd Kvam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I assume my server tolerance for "bad email" matches reasonably well to the final server (Maybe it's fussier). Ahh. That should work pretty well, then. I had a client once who wanted everyone forwarding their mail to different systems, and with no spam control on the forwarder, since everyone wanted to keep their existing anti-spam solution. I eventually gave up and told Sendmail not to generate DSNs. It was what they wanted... ~shrug~ One other item I've noticed. More and more mail servers are not bothering to report delivery failures. Yah. Backscatter is a huge problem -- as big as the spam itself. If a message is judged to be spam, it is considered a very bad idea to omit a new SMTP envelope in response. Rejecting during the sender SMTP transaction is okay. But rejecting during SMTP requires real-time spam analysis, which is expensive. So most of the time, spam filtering is done in batch fashion, which means no notification to the (usually forged) sender. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [GNHLUG] MerriLUG/Nashua - 19 Apr - Machine virtualization on Linux (Xen)
An overview of KVM and an interview with its primary coder: http://www.osnews.com/story.php/17754/Discover-the-Linux-Kernel-Virtual-Machine ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
