Re: What 20 books would you put in the library?
On Jan 25, 2008 7:13 PM, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for volunteering to coordinate the NH Librarians' OSS Wiki, > Curtis. Ben will set you up with an account. Anyone can self-register at... uh, whatever link it gives you when you try to edit without an account. The wiki-spammers certainly don't have much trouble finding it. ;-) Really, it's easy, it's fun, wiki wiki for everyone! ;-) > You might as well convert Twiki to MediaWiki while you're at it. Hey, TWiki's been working pretty well for me lately, I haven't had an edit failure in like a month. That said, I really need to get off my duff and finish migrating stuff to CentOS 5. I actually have some time blocked out this weekend to work on that. This time, for sure. ;) > I think we'd find that if NH librarians actually participated in such > a thing they'd be far more likely to recommend it. They can create accounts, too. ;-) > I'm tempted to set Reply-To to gnhlug-organizing, but hearing > feedback from everybody would be useful. I didn't do that simply because for this to work, it has to attract interest for a fair number of people, and the more noise, the more interest (up to a point, of course). -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: What 20 books would you put in the library?
On Jan 25, 2008, at 16:12, Curtis Sandoval wrote: > Not to fall down into the quagmire, but how hard would it be to do > that exactly? I'm assuming, as a n00b, that I missed previous heated > discussion on this topic? ;-) The running joke is that whenever somebody comes up with an idea, they've volunteered to lead it. We have lots of great ideas and precious little time to shepherd them. Thanks for volunteering to coordinate the NH Librarians' OSS Wiki, Curtis. Ben will set you up with an account. You might as well convert Twiki to MediaWiki while you're at it. ;) ;) On Jan 25, 2008, at 16:58, Ben Scott wrote: > So those are already done, really. :) I think we'd find that if NH librarians actually participated in such a thing they'd be far more likely to recommend it. Less efficient - absolutely. > I suspect O'Reilly wouldn't be keen on > the idea of a shared LUG subscription (they are, after all, in the > business to make money) ACM has something like this already. We'd have to finish setting up a membership structure, and only allow access to certain membership levels, but this might be a good enough reason to make it happen. How many folks here could justify a $75/yr GNHLUG membership if it included Safari access? If somebody wants to gather more info, this appears to be the correct form: http://www.safaribooksonline.com/whysafari/info.php I'm tempted to set Reply-To to gnhlug-organizing, but hearing feedback from everybody would be useful. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: What 20 books would you put in the library?
Ted Roche writes: > A local library would be interested in hosting a representative sample > of books about Open Source. What books would you recommend? _Hackers_ Steven Levy _Just For Fun_ Linus Torvalds _Hackers and Painters: Big Ideas from the Computer Age_ Paul Graham _Crypto: How the Code Rebels Beat the Government Saving Privacy in the Digital Age_ Steven Levy _Free Culture: The Nature and Future of Creativity_ Lawrence Lessig _TCP/IP Illustrated, Volume 1_ W. Richard Stevens (get volume 2 if you want to dig into some real code) _Programming Perl_ Larry Wall _The Cathedral & the Bazaar: Musings on Linux and Open Source by an Accidental Revolutionary_ Eric S. Raymond Several of the zillion books that comes with a CD/DVD that shows you how you install Linux. Regards, --kevin -- GnuPG ID: B280F24E Don't you know there ain't no devil, alumni.unh.edu!kdc there's just God when he's drunk? -- Tom Waits ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: USB drives and device names
On Jan 25, 2008 4:30 PM, Dan Coutu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Linux a USB connected hard drive appears as a SCSI device. But the > naming of the device seems to 'float' based on who-knows-what criteria. The name it chooses is based on the 'first available unused'. I'm assuming that it was stc at one point, and perhaps wasn't unmounted before ejection, so when reinserted, it went to std. After insertion as std, it prolly said 'HEY, this has the same ID as stc, let's make stc unavailable (guessing there), and next time, it came up as stc again. A good test is to mount it, disconnect it from the usb bus, then reconnect, and repeat. Each time it will have a new ID, possibly flipflopping between two of them. > Is there any kind of algorithm that could be used, perhaps within a > shell script, in order to reliably mount a USB drive without fail and > without having to guess at the device name? As others have said, mount it by name/id. -- -- Thomas ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: USB drives and device names
On Jan 25, 2008 4:30 PM, Dan Coutu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But the naming of the device seems to 'float' based on who-knows-what > criteria. SCSI and SCSI-like devices (sda, sdb, sdc, etc.) are assigned based on the order the kernel sees the device. The first device is sees is sda, the second sdb, and so on. This was bad enough with traditional SCSI devices, which had fixed ID numbers (but what if you insert a device between two others?). It's horrible with USB, which is entirely dynamically discovered and hot-plug is the norm. The kernel generally doesn't remember USB device history, either. That's partly because the kernel tends to avoid that kind of thing for efficiency's sake, but also because USB devices aren't required to have a unique hardware ID (so there is no way to know if that device that just got plugged in is the same widget, or another one of the same model). That's sometimes why you'll see the logical device climb higher and higher. As others have pointed out, filesystem labels are a solution to many problems. Michael O'Donnell pointed out /etc/usb/. Other interesting places to find config info are /etc/hotplug/ and /etc/hotplug.d/ (older distros) and /etc/udev/ (udev is the system which handles dynamic devices on most newer distros). -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: What 20 books would you put in the library?
On Jan 25, 2008 4:12 PM, Curtis Sandoval <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not to fall down into the quagmire, but how hard would it be to do > that exactly? Not sure if you're talking bookmark lists or mailing lists or Safari or what. I'm the present GNHLUG mailing list admin. We can host as many mailing lists as needed, within reason. They can be created easily, though I do ask for some kind of list charter for new lists. No creating a list first and then coming up with a plan for it later. ;-) For bookmark lists, we've got a website (http://www.gnhlug.org) that's also a wiki, so "anyone can edit". Although I rather suspect there just might be some Linux/FOSS bookmark lists out there already. ;) The Open Directory Project (http://www.dmoz.org/) comes to mind. So those are already done, really. :) Safari is more interesting... I suspect O'Reilly wouldn't be keen on the idea of a shared LUG subscription (they are, after all, in the business to make money), but they might offer group discounts if there's a sufficient number of interested parties. If there are interested parties, speak up and put together a plan amongst yourselves. We've got this convenient discussion list you can use for the purpose. :) (I'm unlikely to be one of those interested parties unless the discount is huge.) -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: USB drives and device names
On Fri, January 25, 2008 4:30 pm, Dan Coutu said: > On Linux a USB connected hard drive appears as a SCSI device. But the > naming of the device seems to 'float' based on who-knows-what criteria. > > So for example yesterday I saw an USB drive device change from being > /dev/std to /dev/stc. Talk about unique! I've seen the letter increment > before when you disconnect a drive and reconnect it (the USB connection > is what I'm referring to here) but never have I seen it decrement. > > Is there any kind of algorithm that could be used, perhaps within a > shell script, in order to reliably mount a USB drive without fail and > without having to guess at the device name? > You can always mount the drive based on its label. For instance, if the partition is labeled "FamilyPhotos", you can mount it via sudo mkdir /mnt/temp sudo mount -L FamilyPhotos /mnt/temp Gnome already does something similar; when it automounts a usb drive, a cdrom, etc., it creates a mount point for it under /media, based on its label, and then mounts it there. It also adds an entry for it to /etc/fstab, with the attribute "managed". If the filesystem on the usb drive is ext3, you can label it with the command "e2label"; if it's a dos vfat filesystem, you can label it with the "mlabel" command from the mtools package. -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0xD5C7B5D9 PGP-Key-Fingerprint 72 FB 39 4F 3C 3B D6 5B E0 C8 5A 6E F1 2C BE 99 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: USB drives and device names
Interesting. I had known about mounting by label but had not thought to use it for this. Duh. As I recall the fstab entry to do this specifies the label instead of the device name. This just might work... Thanks! Dan Bruce Dawson wrote: > You can use 'mount -U' to mount by UUID or 'mount -L' to mount by volume > label. On newer distributions, it will put them in /media/. > > Dan Coutu wrote: > >> On Linux a USB connected hard drive appears as a SCSI device. But the >> naming of the device seems to 'float' based on who-knows-what criteria. >> >> So for example yesterday I saw an USB drive device change from being >> /dev/std to /dev/stc. Talk about unique! I've seen the letter increment >> before when you disconnect a drive and reconnect it (the USB connection >> is what I'm referring to here) but never have I seen it decrement. >> >> Is there any kind of algorithm that could be used, perhaps within a >> shell script, in order to reliably mount a USB drive without fail and >> without having to guess at the device name? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dan >> ___ >> gnhlug-discuss mailing list >> gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org >> http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ >> >> > > > > ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: USB drives and device names
It looks like there's some sophisticated stuff under /etc/usb/ that'll do anything you can imagine, but if all you want is to ensure that a particular USB-resident filesystem gets mounted on the correct mount-point regardless of what its device name is, you could (assuming it's one of the filesystems that support labels like the ext[23] filesystems do) create an /etc/fstab entry that looks something like this: LABEL=myUSBdisk /mnt/someDir ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 0 ...and then label that filesystem accordingly thus: /sbin/e2label /dev/sdc1 myUSBdisk #ASSUME: filesys currently on sdc1 ...after which this should "just work": mount /mnt/someDir ...even if your disk wanders around in the SCSI namespace. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: USB drives and device names
You can use 'mount -U' to mount by UUID or 'mount -L' to mount by volume label. On newer distributions, it will put them in /media/. Dan Coutu wrote: > On Linux a USB connected hard drive appears as a SCSI device. But the > naming of the device seems to 'float' based on who-knows-what criteria. > > So for example yesterday I saw an USB drive device change from being > /dev/std to /dev/stc. Talk about unique! I've seen the letter increment > before when you disconnect a drive and reconnect it (the USB connection > is what I'm referring to here) but never have I seen it decrement. > > Is there any kind of algorithm that could be used, perhaps within a > shell script, in order to reliably mount a USB drive without fail and > without having to guess at the device name? > > Thanks! > > Dan > ___ > gnhlug-discuss mailing list > gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ > ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Does your wiring look like this?
On Jan 25, 2008 12:24 PM, Scott Mellott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Take a look at the link for the worst rack installation . . . . > > http://royal.pingdom.com/?p=234 "That yellow cable is mine." (from the comments on that page) On Jan 25, 2008 1:40 PM, Scott Mellott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > NBC has been in that building since it was built in the 1930s. > The engineer speculated that 80% of the cable was unused. Part of the complex I work at includes some mill buildings erected during the 1900s -- the decade, not the century. There have been at least three owners. There's at least four generations of telephone wiring, including stuff that dates well back to before the AT&T divestiture. I've removed over 200 pounds of dead wiring so far, and I've barely scratched the surface. I've found telephone terminal blocks made out of wood. Inside trunk cables with semi-rigid lead sheathes. Inside wiring that has other people's dialtones on it (bridge taps + pre-divestiture wiring = oops). Multiple 100-pair inside wiring trunks. I've also found various data cables, including some kind of non-Ethernet RJ-45, coax, and twinax. Some of the ceiling tiles are, indeed, hard to move. :) On Jan 25, 2008 1:55 PM, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A pox on zip ties, though. At least use Velcro straps if you don't > feel like tying waxed lacing cord! Zip ties have their place. I avoid using them to lash down equipment cables, for reasons already noted. For bundling permanent premises wiring that isn't expected to change, they're not so bad if done properly. They're also smaller and neater than most anything, which sometimes makes them appropriate when appearance matters but a cable tray would look worse and in-wall isn't feasible. > The comments there suggest zip ties aren't Cat-5 kosher - good to know. Zip ties are no more or less appropriate for Cat 5 than velco or any other strap. If you over-tighten them, you'll pinch the cable. That potentially takes the cable out of Cat 5 compliance (since the twisting can be distorted). But you can do that just by *bending* a Cat 5 cable -- you don't need to (ab)use a wire management mechanism. :) -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: USB drives and device names
On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 16:30 -0500, Dan Coutu wrote: > So for example yesterday I saw an USB drive device change from being > /dev/std Man, I do NOT want to that drive, at least not without protection... -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
USB drives and device names
On Linux a USB connected hard drive appears as a SCSI device. But the naming of the device seems to 'float' based on who-knows-what criteria. So for example yesterday I saw an USB drive device change from being /dev/std to /dev/stc. Talk about unique! I've seen the letter increment before when you disconnect a drive and reconnect it (the USB connection is what I'm referring to here) but never have I seen it decrement. Is there any kind of algorithm that could be used, perhaps within a shell script, in order to reliably mount a USB drive without fail and without having to guess at the device name? Thanks! Dan ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: What 20 books would you put in the library?
Not to fall down into the quagmire, but how hard would it be to do that exactly? I'm assuming, as a n00b, that I missed previous heated discussion on this topic? ;-) On 25/01/2008, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 25, 2008, at 15:02, Tom Buskey wrote: > > > Perhaps a bookmark list? How would a > > library handle that? > > It would be a shame to have each library have to maintain their own. > If only there were a state-wide organization with an interest in OSS > that could host a list that all the local librarians could all > participate in. *ducks* > > > How about a Safari subscription for the library? I know of at > > least one > > library that has one. > > $252.99 for a year - that's about half of what they wanted to spend > on books, so you get two years' worth of 300 books for the same > money, but then at the end of the period you have nothing. Or you > could have 2-year-old tech books.. hmm, tough call. Computer > technology is probably only worse than periodical subscriptions as to > their lasting value, without having the advertising subsidies to > offset the cost. > > I notice that some of the big-city libraries have remote access to > Safari via library card authentication, but that's probably on the > big $ plan, which local NH libraries don't have. If only there were > a state-wide... *shuts up* > > -Bill > > - > Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 > BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 > http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 > Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ > VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf > > ___ > gnhlug-discuss mailing list > gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ > ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: What 20 books would you put in the library?
On Jan 25, 2008, at 14:52, David J Berube wrote: > Unix Power Tools. And don't forget a couple books for the Local Authors' section. ;) -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: What 20 books would you put in the library?
On Jan 25, 2008, at 15:02, Tom Buskey wrote: > Perhaps a bookmark list? How would a > library handle that? It would be a shame to have each library have to maintain their own. If only there were a state-wide organization with an interest in OSS that could host a list that all the local librarians could all participate in. *ducks* > How about a Safari subscription for the library? I know of at > least one > library that has one. $252.99 for a year - that's about half of what they wanted to spend on books, so you get two years' worth of 300 books for the same money, but then at the end of the period you have nothing. Or you could have 2-year-old tech books.. hmm, tough call. Computer technology is probably only worse than periodical subscriptions as to their lasting value, without having the advertising subsidies to offset the cost. I notice that some of the big-city libraries have remote access to Safari via library card authentication, but that's probably on the big $ plan, which local NH libraries don't have. If only there were a state-wide... *shuts up* -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: What 20 books would you put in the library?
On Jan 25, 2008 2:48 PM, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008, at 20:43, Ted Roche wrote: > > > What books would you recommend? > > Out of twenty I'd limit 20% to theory of open source. Then, for a > public library, the focus should be on books on learning subjects, > not ones to keep around for dog-eared references, excepting cases > where intro books aren't common or great. Some examples: > > O'Reilly: > Running Linux > Learning[Perl, Python] > Using Samba Using Samba is freely available online from O'Reilly in addition to being in print. They have other books also available. Perhaps a bookmark list? How would a library handle that? How about a Safari subscription for the library? I know of at least one library that has one. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: What 20 books would you put in the library?
Unix Power Tools. David Berube Berube Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] (603)-485-9622 http://www.berubeconsulting.com/ Bill McGonigle wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008, at 20:43, Ted Roche wrote: > >> What books would you recommend? > > Out of twenty I'd limit 20% to theory of open source. Then, for a > public library, the focus should be on books on learning subjects, > not ones to keep around for dog-eared references, excepting cases > where intro books aren't common or great. Some examples: > > O'Reilly: > Running Linux > Learning[Perl, Python] > Using Samba > > Pragmatic Programmer: > Programming Ruby > Agile Web Development with Rails > > Apress: > Beginning Ubuntu Linux > Beginning PHP and MySQL: From Novice to Professional > > And, applicable to OSS, but xplat: > > O'Reilly: > JavaScript > Cascading Stylesheets > Mastering Regular Expressions > > And probably an intro-to-java book, now open source and very common > in schools. > > -Bill > > - > Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 > BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 > http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 > Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ > VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf > > ___ > gnhlug-discuss mailing list > gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ > > ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: What 20 books would you put in the library?
On Jan 24, 2008, at 20:43, Ted Roche wrote: > What books would you recommend? Out of twenty I'd limit 20% to theory of open source. Then, for a public library, the focus should be on books on learning subjects, not ones to keep around for dog-eared references, excepting cases where intro books aren't common or great. Some examples: O'Reilly: Running Linux Learning[Perl, Python] Using Samba Pragmatic Programmer: Programming Ruby Agile Web Development with Rails Apress: Beginning Ubuntu Linux Beginning PHP and MySQL: From Novice to Professional And, applicable to OSS, but xplat: O'Reilly: JavaScript Cascading Stylesheets Mastering Regular Expressions And probably an intro-to-java book, now open source and very common in schools. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Does your wiring look like this?
On Jan 25, 2008, at 11:10, Paul Lussier wrote: > But I > admit, I never achieved this level. Most of those looked like supercompute clusters. It must be nice to be able to put in 42 of the same server and never have to recable. A pox on zip ties, though. At least use Velcro straps if you don't feel like tying waxed lacing cord! The comments there suggest zip ties aren't Cat-5 kosher - good to know. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: OLPC Crisis: Customer Data Lost
On Jan 24, 2008, at 18:19, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > > I believed that it was illegal to charge credit cards unless you have > actually shipped the product to the customer. At least, in 2003 when > I first built ZeroToys.com for a customer, that was the merchant > account's policy. We were not allowed to charge the customer's credit > card until shipment. Doing so would otherwise be against the law... I'm not going to pretend to be a non-profit lawyer, but I believe there's a difference between a merchant transaction and an NPO donation, OLPC being the latter. It's not dissimilar to your getting a totebag from NHPR 6 weeks after you made a pledge. In both cases I believe donation rates would only be improved by good 'customer' service. I'll stop before I get off on a rant about People's Radio Network's DoS method of fundraising. :) -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Does your wiring look like this?
Michael ODonnell wrote: > >> Take a look at the link for the worst rack installation... >> >> http://royal.pingdom.com/?p=234 > > Yeow! It's a bit thin in places but still > I'd bet it has an R-value of at least 13... > > ___ > gnhlug-discuss mailing list > gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ > Some years ago (late 80s or early 90s), I was doing some work at NBC in New York (30 Rock). The ceilings in the Today Show's offices are drop style. The ceilings where so full of RG59, RG6, audio and LAN cable, the ceiling tiles were broken or warped. I asked one of the broadcast engineers I was working with about the quantity of cable (there were bundles that were multiple feet in diameter). He said they never pulled old cable out, only added cable when needed. NBC has been in that building since it was built in the 1930s. The engineer speculated that 80% of the cable was unused. I was back at 30 Rock last year to do some work at the Today Show. They were in the middle of renovations. I noticed all of the cable bundles in the ceiling were gone. I asked one of the engineers about all of the dead ended cabling that had been in the ceiling. He just rolled his eyes. He said it took a team nearly a year to trace and map the cabling in CAD and then cut out the unused cable. NBC now have their cabling in CAD and all cables are properly labeled. Imagine the amount of money it cost NBC to fix something that could have easily been avoided with a little effort and organization. -- _ Scott Mellott [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://scott.mellott.com _ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Does your wiring look like this?
> Take a look at the link for the worst rack installation... > > http://royal.pingdom.com/?p=234 Yeow! It's a bit thin in places but still I'd bet it has an R-value of at least 13... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Does your wiring look like this?
Paul Lussier wrote: > > http://royal.pingdom.com/?p=240 > > I'm very impressed :) I have really good intentions, and I've had in > the past what I considered to be fairly clean and neat cabling. But I > admit, I never achieved this level. > Take a look at the link for the worst rack installation . . . . http://royal.pingdom.com/?p=234 Scary stuff for those that have to support such a mess. The individuals involved in the installation of this mess should either be fired or resign. -- _ Scott Mellott [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://scott.mellott.com _ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Does your wiring look like this?
On Jan 25, 2008 11:10 AM, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://royal.pingdom.com/?p=240 > > I'm very impressed That is good work; certainly better than anything I've done personally. It may be worth pointing out that several of those were the "back side" of patch panels. As such, they don't change much (possibly "never"), and are more part of the building than the equipment. The cabling department at my previous gig (Net Technologies, http://www.ntilinux.com/ ) could do similarly good work if asked. The stuff I work on tends to be on the "front side" of the panels. Equipment that will be changing/moving too often, or is too likely to need to be accessed for trouble-shooting, for that kind of cabling to be practical. The careful layouts and numerous zip ties are more of a hindrance then. I do like to make extensive use of velcro straps, cable trays, hooks, and the like. It doesn't look as pretty, but it can be accessed much easier. And then there's the phone closet I inherited at my present gig. Ewww. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Does your wiring look like this?
On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 11:10 -0500, Paul Lussier wrote: > > http://royal.pingdom.com/?p=240 > > I'm very impressed :) I have really good intentions, and I've had in > the past what I considered to be fairly clean and neat cabling. But I > admit, I never achieved this level. We did similar art when racking up clusters in my days back at Linux Networx, but it quickly goes to hell in a hand basket when you have a cable fail on you somewhere in the rack... :\ Even more fun than having a cable fail is having a 256-port MyriNet switch in need of replacement... (Guess how I spent Thanksgiving of '05? :) -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Does your wiring look like this?
http://royal.pingdom.com/?p=240 I'm very impressed :) I have really good intentions, and I've had in the past what I considered to be fairly clean and neat cabling. But I admit, I never achieved this level. -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: OLPC Crisis: Customer Data Lost
I have received email that the unit is in the shipping queue and should ship in a few days. -- -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: What 20 books would you put in the library?
Scanning the "stacks" here at our library, I also see: Open Source Licensing Succeeding with Open Source Free Culture "The Cluetrain Manifesto" is not about Open Source, but rather the business and social impact of our modern networks. This helps explain the larger environment that contributes to Open Source. "The Art of Unix Programming" includes arguments for Open Source. On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 20:43 -0500, Ted Roche wrote: > A local library would be interested in hosting a representative sample > of books about Open Source. What books would you recommend? > > Off the top of my head, I might suggest: > > Open Sources: Voices from the Open Source Revolution > > The Cathedral and the Bazaar > > Free as in Freedom > > ___ > gnhlug-discuss mailing list > gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- Lloyd Kvam Venix Corp DLSLUG/GNHLUG library http://www.librarything.com/catalog/dlslug http://www.librarything.com/profile/dlslug http://www.librarything.com/rsshtml/recent/dlslug ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
