[Fwd: Re: pcHDTV 5500 card - Connector comes loose?]

2007-03-06 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Hi,

I received an answer from the President of pcHDTV.  Apparently the
sleeve is that way by design.

His letter follows.

maddog

 Forwarded Message 
From: Jack Steven Kelliher
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: pcHDTV 5500 card - Connector comes loose?
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:55:03 -0700

Hello,

There is an connector on the card that is not attached but pressure
fit.  This protects the connector mounted on the tuner can from damage
if the coax gets pulled.   If the connector is not snug we can replace
it free of charge  we just need an address to send it to.  If the
connect on the turner broke then please email with their shipping
address and I'll send out an new card with return label for the
defective card UPS next day.  In the past we found a number of returns
and problems when people pulled or tripped on the coax and  bent or
broke the tuner can connector so this design protects it from damage.

Thanks,

Jack Kelliher
pcHDTV, Inc.


On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 09:04 -0500, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:
 On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 08:14 -0500, Ben Scott wrote:
  On 3/3/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   When I went to connect it to the CATV line, the F connector popped
   right off the card.
  
I found that the manufacturer's own product photos show the slide-on
  barrel connector extender I mentioned, so this is apparently by
  design:
  
  http://www.pchdtv.com/images/image006.jpg
  
It occurs to me that I can probably fix it
 
 I did send your original comments on to the manufacturer, and given
 their past responsiveness, I would expect some type of answer back soon.
 It is just that they may be less responsive on a Sunday when some people
 are not at work.
 
 If, in the meantime, you would like to return the board and get your
 money back on the card, please do not modify it.  I have not cashed
 your check, and would be happy to return the check to you if you are
 genuinely unhappy with the board, but any modifications that you might
 do to it might void the warranty
 and I would not be able to return it.
 
 I would need all the paperwork, CD, box (well, maybe not the box, but
 the other stuff) too, so I could return the board to the manufacturer.
 
  Why the manufacturer didn't do something like this 
  themselves, I have no idea.
 
 Greater cost in manufacturing.  Lack of perception that this would be an
 issue.
 
 There are two issues here:
 
 o one is that the barrel sleeve slid off, which could be a defect in
 manufacturing and not design.  This caused a board failure, which you
 experienced.  We have yet to determine whether it was a single unit
 failure or not.  We will see.
 
 o the second is that the strain is put on the solder joints of the tuner
 card, which might be undesirable, but has not yet caused a failure mode
 that we know of.
 
 Why does everything have to suck so much?
 
 Usually economics, but sometimes just oversight.  In this case I would
 lean towards oversight, since I would consider this a premium board, and
 would be willing to pay a dollar or two more for something ruggedly
 constructed.
 
 Regards,
 
 maddog
 =
   From: 
  Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 
  Greater NH Linux User Group
  gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
Subject: 
  Re: pcHDTV 5500 card - Connector
  comes loose?
   Date: 
  Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:14:35 -0500
 
 
 On 3/3/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  When I went to connect it to the CATV line, the F connector popped
  right off the card.
 
   I found that the manufacturer's own product photos show the slide-on
 barrel connector extender I mentioned, so this is apparently by
 design:
 
 http://www.pchdtv.com/images/image006.jpg
 
   It occurs to me that I can probably fix it by replacing the slide-on
 connector they used with a screw-on type.  That will at least keep the
 connector-extender from sliding off the tuner module's connector lug.
 I might have to file down the points of the screw-on connector to get
 it to clear the hole in the mounting bracket, but that shouldn't be
 too hard.
 
   That should additionally let me put a couple of nuts on either side
 of the mounting bracket, for strain relief.  Right now, any cable
 movement is transmitted right to the solder joints of the tuner
 module, which is Not Good(TM).  Nuts on either side of the bracket,
 tightened down to the bracket, should move that stress to the bracket,
 where it belongs.
 
   Why the manufacturer didn't do something like this themselves, I have
 no idea.
 
   I got this card because their Linux support is supposed to be
 outstanding, but I'm obviously unhappy it has such a stupid design
 flaw.  This hearkens back to a question I posed a few weeks ago: Which
 is worse, crappy hardware that's well supported, or good hardware
 

Re: [Fwd: Re: pcHDTV 5500 card - Connector comes loose?]

2007-03-06 Thread Ben Scott

On 3/6/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I received an answer from the President of pcHDTV.  Apparently the
sleeve is that way by design.


 Ah-ha.  Neil Schelly had the right of it after all.

 I can't say I'm overly impressed with the design of this
break-away connector [1], but I guess it does afford some protection
for very little additional manufacturing cost.  It is certainly good
to know they actually put some thought into it.

 Given that others have complained about the same thing [2], it might
be a good idea for the manufacturer to put a note card in the box
saying it is by design.

Footnotes
-
[1] It comes off *too* easy.  It also transmits any stress that
doesn't pull the connector off (such as side-to-side flexing) into the
solder joins for the tuner module.  I would much prefer the connector
be attached to the bracket for strain relief.  That would not preclude
the use of a slide-on barrel on the outside of the card for break-away
purposes.
[2] http://applications.linux.com/print.pl?sid=06/12/19/1627229
   http://software.newsforge.com/software/06/12/19/1628229.shtml?tid=75tid=130

-- Ben
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