Re: Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 -- Get it Early
In a message dated: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:15:00 GMT Jon Hall said: >I recently got a blast from Codeweavers (makers of Crossover) Ahhh, another of my favorite things about Linux. I hate MS office, but every now and then I need to use something in it. Most of the time it's actually IE (some idiot thinks their being secure by maintaining NTLM-only authentication on an IIS server here :) Other times, it's Quicktime (I gotta keep up with all the Matrix, LoTR, and X-Men trailers coming out :) It's nice that for a reasonable fee ($75) I can buy software with support which give me acceptable (but not perfect) access to the MS-only applications I need/want on occasion. For those of you needing to use Quicken until you can make the jump to GnuCash, Quicken runs just fine under CrossOver :) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 -- Get it Early
In a message dated: 24 Mar 2003 19:41:59 EST Jeff Macdonald said: > Beginning March 31st, paid subscribers to Red Hat Network will have > access to Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs - a full week before retail store and > Red Hat FTP availability. >I'm a RHN subscriber, that's why I posted my message! :-) So, who's gonna rip the ISOs and put them up on a mirror server for us on the 32nd :) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 -- Get it Early
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 19:15, Jon Hall wrote: [snip] > I recently got a blast from Codeweavers (makers of Crossover) which warned > me not to update to the latest glibc libraries from Red Hat since they would > break binary compatability with their product. The patches the Red Hat were > putting out would have forced an upgrade of glibc from 2.2.93 to 2.3, breaking > WINE and other things. > > My guess is that Red Hat is upgrading to glibc in V9.0, which might break > binary compatability in a few things. > > Upgrading to the next major number is a well-known method of signaling > binary compatability change. Apparently Red Hat is using that signal. > > Hopefully they will also allow people to link to the older library if needed. Unfortunately, this particular change is a bit painful. It's both a kernel change and glibc change that will very likely make it very difficult, if not impossible to run older stuff (older stuff being stuff specifically affected by this change) on this platform. It's a transitional thing that is reminiscent of the COFF -> ELF update where you *could* wind up with a very broken system. I'm not sure of the technical details, but yes Red Hat is aware of the wine issue and *many* other third party apps that will need to be updated (including VMware which will be fixed in the next release, if I'm not mistaken). It's another one of those updates that is going to break a lot of things, but app developers better update their apps soon, because I do believe this new feature is going (already has gone?) into the 2.5 kernel and/or the mainline glibc. Come to think of it, two of the lead developers for glibc, Jakub Jelinek and Ulrich Drepper work for Red Hat, so technically, it's already *in* the mainline glibc ;-). I fully expect that other distributions will follow suite in their next respective releases. See my previous post in this thread about the actual change (NPTL). It's supposedly a decent performance boost (but I don't know for what specific scenarios, or even if it's specific). -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 -- Get it Early
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hopefully they will also allow people to link to the older library > if needed. As I recall, they've always included a bunch of compat-* rpms for such backward compatibility. I just took a look at 8.0, and I see, for example, compat-gcc-g77-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm so if you actually depended on the pre-3.x gcc, you can still have it. - -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0xD5C7B5D9 PGP-Key-Fingerprint 72 FB 39 4F 3C 3B D6 5B E0 C8 5A 6E F1 2C BE 99 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.6 02/09/2003 iQCVAwUBPn+v61V9A5rVx7XZAQI27gP/QpyhtCQnjFNW2XBI7Lap/nnFAuEI225R YVswGyp1TRXVQYretSCL2UtyNXG0nsEvGbV2EBJZQpD3zxGMMGO0wLtrsVG1kW/8 l1uk61jyVcIUYuQT9M5nkpcewjq8EQObN83n8wU02imZczJX28lpuC2MAv+PEbyL v/3ym9eljKc= =dWSD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 -- Get it Early
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 18:59, Derek D. Martin wrote: > If there were still any doubt... > > - Forwarded message from Red Hat Network <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > We've recently made some changes to Red Hat Network based on survey > data that we received from you. We found that two items of extreme > interest to our users are early release of Red Hat Linux ISOs and > improved technical support. > > Beginning March 31st, paid subscribers to Red Hat Network will have > access to Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs - a full week before retail store and > Red Hat FTP availability. Also, Red Hat Network subscribers will > receive dedicated Red Hat Network Technical Support. For more > information about the benefits of being a Red Hat Network Subscriber, > go to: > > http://www.redhat.com/software/rhn/offerings/ > I'm a RHN subscriber, that's why I posted my message! :-) -- Jeff Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Into birding? Check out http://www.migratus.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 -- Get it Early
>Ordinarily yes, but I heard from a reliable source that this is a >Sun-like marketing move. In this case I think it is a very professional-like "marketing move". I recently got a blast from Codeweavers (makers of Crossover) which warned me not to update to the latest glibc libraries from Red Hat since they would break binary compatability with their product. The patches the Red Hat were putting out would have forced an upgrade of glibc from 2.2.93 to 2.3, breaking WINE and other things. My guess is that Red Hat is upgrading to glibc in V9.0, which might break binary compatability in a few things. Upgrading to the next major number is a well-known method of signaling binary compatability change. Apparently Red Hat is using that signal. Hopefully they will also allow people to link to the older library if needed. md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
