Re: Hacking the Razr 3m?
On February 23, 2007, Ben Scott sent me the following: > On 2/23/07, Chip Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Hopefully things like ... potentially the iPhone will catch on > >in the future and we'll see a shift away from cell phones being > >seen as something controlled by the phone company ... > > This would be the iPhone that Apple won't let you install > third-party software on? Controlled by Apple != "controlled by the phone company", but yes, I see your point. I shall attempt to counter. "That doesn't mean there's not going to be software to buy that you can load on them coming from us. It doesn't mean we have to write it all, but it means it has to be more of a controlled environment." -- Steve Jobs[1] I suppose you could take that a number of ways. You could take it to mean no third party software would ever become available for the iPhone ever. You could also take it to mean that there will be some sort of software qualification process and controlled distribution via Apple. If third party software does become generally available for it, it may help in loosening the iron grip of cell providers over the contents of the phones. If not, well, the iPhone is just another phone, really. Sure, it's got no buttons and a fancy touchscreen, but nothing really earth shatteringly new, in my opinion. I think it's too early to say one way or another what will or will not happen with the iPhone. Apple has been known to shift positions on things in the past, such as whether or not to allow clone hardware production, or whether or not DRM is a good idea. Personally, I'm pretty happy with my Treo 700p and the ability to use any Palm software I choose on my phone. [1] http://tinyurl.com/yfhs7g (nytimes.com, registration required) -- Chip Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://kyzoku.2bithacker.net/ GCM/IT d+(-) s+:++ a25>? C++ UB$ P+++$ L- E--- W++ N@ o K- w O M+ V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t+@ R@ tv@ b++@ DI D+(-) G++ e>++ h>++ r-- y? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Hacking the Razr 3m?
Welcome to the new economy. It's not about selling products, it's about selling your soul. if your soul is in a cell phone, then things are worse than i thought... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Hacking the Razr 3m?
On 2/23/07, Chip Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hopefully things like ... potentially the iPhone will catch on in the future and we'll see a shift away from cell phones being seen as something controlled by the phone company ... This would be the iPhone that Apple won't let you install third-party software on? -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Hacking the Razr 3m?
On February 23, 2007, Ben Scott sent me the following: > On 2/23/07, Ed Lawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Verizon ... Razr 3m ... it seems they think it is basically a means to > >sell me their content as opposed to a phone. > > FYI, that is exactly the business model they wireless carriers are > using. You don't own the phone. They're nice enough to let you have > their phone (for a few hundred bucks). But you can't use their phone > in ways they don't like. And they'd like you to pay for every button > press (although they haven't been able to get away with that yet). > For a while, Nextel wanted to charge you for *every picture* you > transferred off their camera phones. This is one of the reasons I'm very happy with my Treo 700p PDA/phone. I get to just run plain Palm OS software without being limited to whatever Verizon wants to push at me, and I can sync with anything that can talk to a Palm device without having to buy special software and special cables and stupidly high prices. Hopefully things like OpenMoko and potentially the iPhone will catch on in the future and we'll see a shift away from cell phones being seen as something controlled by the phone company that we have to ask their permission to use, and more like personal data devices that just happen to make phone calls too. -- Chip Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://kyzoku.2bithacker.net/ GCM/IT d+(-) s+:++ a25>? C++ UB$ P+++$ L- E--- W++ N@ o K- w O M+ V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t+@ R@ tv@ b++@ DI D+(-) G++ e>++ h>++ r-- y? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Hacking the Razr 3m?
On 2/23/07, Ed Lawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Verizon ... Razr 3m ... it seems they think it is basically a means to sell me their content as opposed to a phone. FYI, that is exactly the business model they wireless carriers are using. You don't own the phone. They're nice enough to let you have their phone (for a few hundred bucks). But you can't use their phone in ways they don't like. And they'd like you to pay for every button press (although they haven't been able to get away with that yet). For a while, Nextel wanted to charge you for *every picture* you transferred off their camera phones. Welcome to the new economy. It's not about selling products, it's about selling your soul. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Hacking the Razr 3m?
Travis Roy wrote: > http://www.hacktherazr.com/ > > The other method is outlined here in great detail - > http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/Motorola_V3c_Tutorial:_Flashing_to_Alltel_User_Interface > > > BitPim is also a good place to start. Bah... Might be time for me to upgrade soon... I have the original V3 and NOTHING seems to support it short of the really crappy kit Motorola sells for Windblows. BitPim keeps erroring out with it. B ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Hacking the Razr 3m?
On 2/23/07, Travis Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are basically two ways I know to hack it.. One is to reflash the device with another providers firmware, the other is to use work arounds to get extra features. I don't know how to do either under linux. I did the work around method for my wife's Razr using this site - http://www.hacktherazr.com/ The other method is outlined here in great detail - http:// wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/ Motorola_V3c_Tutorial:_Flashing_to_Alltel_User_Interface BitPim is also a good place to start. You can also unlock it (I dont recall how, youd have to look it up) to run your own Java and/or C++ application using the BREW toolkit. Forgive me for not recalling the procedure to have the phone allow you to directly accept Brew applications, I've never directly done it myself, but the LG phones required a Win32 application to communicate and upload the applications themselves. -- -- Thomas ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Hacking the Razr 3m?
There are basically two ways I know to hack it.. One is to reflash the device with another providers firmware, the other is to use work arounds to get extra features. I don't know how to do either under linux. I did the work around method for my wife's Razr using this site - http://www.hacktherazr.com/ The other method is outlined here in great detail - http:// wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/ Motorola_V3c_Tutorial:_Flashing_to_Alltel_User_Interface BitPim is also a good place to start. On Feb 23, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Ed Lawson wrote: Looking at the "quick start" manual from Verizon for my new Razr 3m phone, it seems they think it is basically a means to sell me their content as opposed to a phone. So I suspect it has been programmed to do only what serves this purpose. Anyway, it has a USB port which suggests it can be hacked to do other things. Anyone have experience with this phone and using it with Linux? Being able to upload info would be very nice. TIA -- Ed Lawson Ham Callsign: K1VP PGP Key ID: 1591EAD3 PGP Key Fingerprint: 79A1 CDC3 EF3D 7F93 1D28 2D42 58E4 2287 1591 EAD3 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Hacking the Razr 3m?
On February 23, 2007, Ed Lawson sent me the following: > Looking at the "quick start" manual from Verizon for my new Razr 3m > phone, it seems they think it is basically a means to sell me their > content as opposed to a phone. So I suspect it has been programmed to do > only what serves this purpose. Anyway, it has a USB port which suggests > it can be hacked to do other things. Anyone have experience with this > phone and using it with Linux? Being able to upload info would be very > nice. You might want to check out BitPim http://www.bitpim.org/ I know it can interface with some Motorola phones, but I don't know about the Razr 3m specifically. -- Chip Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://kyzoku.2bithacker.net/ GCM/IT d+(-) s+:++ a25>? C++ UB$ P+++$ L- E--- W++ N@ o K- w O M+ V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t+@ R@ tv@ b++@ DI D+(-) G++ e>++ h>++ r-- y? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Hacking the Razr 3m?
Looking at the "quick start" manual from Verizon for my new Razr 3m phone, it seems they think it is basically a means to sell me their content as opposed to a phone. So I suspect it has been programmed to do only what serves this purpose. Anyway, it has a USB port which suggests it can be hacked to do other things. Anyone have experience with this phone and using it with Linux? Being able to upload info would be very nice. TIA -- Ed Lawson Ham Callsign: K1VP PGP Key ID: 1591EAD3 PGP Key Fingerprint: 79A1 CDC3 EF3D 7F93 1D28 2D42 58E4 2287 1591 EAD3 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
