Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
Considering the rest of the thread, this might be off topic but try Rx Computers in Dover NH, Tel 603.742.0800 for the Latitude keyboard. They have lots of notebook parts. By the time I got to Ben's last post, I was really laughing. Great entertainment. I think I will change the GHNLUG to gnhlug later tonight. That way it will be easier to pick it out of the address book. George *--- ---* George E. Perrine - DuraSys Corporation, PO Box 814, Dover NH 03821 http://www.durasys.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tel 603.742.7363 Computer networks, security, support, service and systems. *--- * - Original Message - From: "Bill Freeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:15 PM Subject: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard > My keyboard is starting to flake out, particularly the left > ctrl key, which is a hard thing for an emacs kind of guy. It's a Dell > Latitude, so probably the place to get a replacement is Dell, but I > thought that I'd ask if folks have alternate suggestions before > bighting the big price bullet. So, is anyone comfortable with some > source of, say, quality used Dell keyboards? > > Bill > > ___ > gnhlug-discuss mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss > ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
Considering the rest of the thread, this might be off topic but try Rx Computers in Dover NH, Tel 603.742.0800 for the Latitude keyboard. They have lots of notebook parts. By the time I got to Ben's last post, I was really laughing. Great entertainment. I think I will change the GHNLUG to gnhlug later tonight. That way it will be easier to pick it out of the address book. George *--- --* George E. Perrine - DuraSys Corporation, PO Box 814, Dover NH 03821 http://www.durasys.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tel 603.742.7363 Computer networks, security, support, service and systems. *--- --* - Original Message - From: "Bill Freeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:15 PM Subject: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard > My keyboard is starting to flake out, particularly the left > ctrl key, which is a hard thing for an emacs kind of guy. It's a Dell > Latitude, so probably the place to get a replacement is Dell, but I > thought that I'd ask if folks have alternate suggestions before > bighting the big price bullet. So, is anyone comfortable with some > source of, say, quality used Dell keyboards? > > Bill > > ___ > gnhlug-discuss mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss > ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
It should not matter how much either the R&D or the summer home costs unless you are purchasing something where there can be negotiation on the price, such as a car. Either the potential buyer decides that the keyboard is worth the money or not. Are you going to decide not to buy something that you think is worth the price just because you are offended by the amount of profit the seller is making on it? Tony Lekas brian wrote: But I thought Ben was trying to say that this company invested some [potentially significant] resources studying the physiology of the human hand, and devising an innovative keyboard that minimizes the strain associated with typing. I've seen one of these keyboards up close when a friend showed it to me, they are not run-of-the-mill pieces of plastic. As just one example of how these keyboards might even cost more to build, in the concave dome-shaped recesses where the keys are housed, just about every key depresses in a different direction. It must be difficult to mount the keys onto the housing. I don't know much about it (perhaps Richard could shed more light on it), but it seems to me that this company didn't just make another clone of the classic 10x-key keyboard to make a buck, and you're paying for the expertise that was invested in coming up with the design. Believe me, I totally grok that they probably put a lot of R&D time into it, and that its not just another fancy keyboard. What we don't know is if the price tag reflects $5M in R&D, or $5K in R&D and $5M for the CEO's summer house :) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
brian wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 09:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Five-hundred and five dollars!?! For adjusting a valve??" exclaims the manager. Once upon a time a company charged too much for a keyboard. Why? Because they could. I guess you can look at it both ways (not meaning to be too negative...) But I thought Ben was trying to say that this company invested some [potentially significant] resources studying the physiology of the human hand, and devising an innovative keyboard that minimizes the strain associated with typing. I've seen one of these keyboards up close when a friend showed it to me, they are not run-of-the-mill pieces of plastic. As just one example of how these keyboards might even cost more to build, in the concave dome-shaped recesses where the keys are housed, just about every key depresses in a different direction. It must be difficult to mount the keys onto the housing. I don't know much about it (perhaps Richard could shed more light on it), but it seems to me that this company didn't just make another clone of the classic 10x-key keyboard to make a buck, and you're paying for the expertise that was invested in coming up with the design. Erik ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
Richard Soule wrote: Erik Price wrote: I would save up and it would be my next "big purchase" -- if they offered USB. http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm It's a bit more at $299, so I would probably go with some type of adapter: http://www.maltron.co.uk/USB-PS2pic.html argh! Now I need to start saving. Thanks Richard! Erik ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 11:47:10AM -0700, Richard Soule wrote: > To me there are three different places where you interact with your > computer directly: > > The monitor, the keyboard, and sometimes the mouse. > > 'Overspending' in these areas is ALWAYS worth the money. > > Many people go out and buy that 'dream machine' with the super fast > processor, the super duper video card, spend $200 extra to get the > 800MHz system bus, etc. But then they hook up a $29 keyboard and a $15 > mouse, or even worse one of those 'natural keyboards' that bends your > hands into totally unnatural positions. Ah - Good to hear. I always looked at those things and said "Wha...?" Natural for who? ... > To me the keyboard is the MOST important area where you interact with > your computer, the monitor is second (but very close) and the mouse is a > distant third. > > Least important: Processor speed, ram, DVDs, video cards, etc. Especially now - with the computing portions being so cheap, it makes sense to invest more in the the parts you have to actually use, the monitor and keyboard. (Almost all of my wrist/hand pain went away when I started doing all my programming under Linux/UNIX again. - almost no mousing! hmm. ) -- Jeff Kinz, Open-PC, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. [EMAIL PROTECTED] copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.kinz.org/policy.html. Don't forget to change your password often. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
Erik Price wrote: > > I would save up and it would be my next "big purchase" -- if they > offered USB. http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm It's a bit more at $299, so I would probably go with some type of adapter: http://www.maltron.co.uk/USB-PS2pic.html http://google-zdnet.com.com/USB_TO_PS2_KEYBOARD___MOUSE_CONVERTER/4014-6595_15-6777881.html?tag=pl Good luck! Richbegin:vcard n:;Richard x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fn:Richard Soule end:vcard
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
Richard Soule wrote: Jeff Kinz wrote: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/professional.htm $350. First time I've seen a keyboard more expensive than a computer! :-) Only $239 for the essential which has the same layout and almost the same features: I never realized they had a cheaper version (though I never really looked hard either). That's great! I would save up and it would be my next "big purchase" -- if they offered USB. :( My main machine is an iBook, and doesn't have a PS/2 port. Though maybe there's an adaptor this keyboard combined with a laptop stand to bring the screen closer to my face would be *perfect*. Thanks for pointing it out. Just my perspective... I'm sure other folks will have different ones. No, you know what? I totally agree with what you just said. I would rather have a decent keyboard (even at such a steep price [$239 is a lot to me]), since it's my primary means of communicating to the computer. Of course, I'd carry it back and forth to work every day to get the most bang for my buck. Make a shoulder strap for it and everything, so I can look like an Elven Decker Erik ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
Jeff Kinz wrote: > > http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/professional.htm > >$350. > > First time I've seen a keyboard more expensive than a computer! :-) Only $239 for the essential which has the same layout and almost the same features: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/essential.htm To me there are three different places where you interact with your computer directly: The monitor, the keyboard, and sometimes the mouse. 'Overspending' in these areas is ALWAYS worth the money. Many people go out and buy that 'dream machine' with the super fast processor, the super duper video card, spend $200 extra to get the 800MHz system bus, etc. But then they hook up a $29 keyboard and a $15 mouse, or even worse one of those 'natural keyboards' that bends your hands into totally unnatural positions. Did you really need 250GB of disk? Did you really need 1.5GB of ram? Did you really need a video card with 512MB of ram? How often do you really watch DVDs on your computer? If you are on a budget, cut back on those things a bit and toss in a keyboard that you can use for the rest of your career. I've dumped Mountain Dew into mine (more than once!) and just take it apart and run it under the faucet, dry it off a bit and I'm good to go. This is a quality keyboard that should last a very long time. To me the keyboard is the MOST important area where you interact with your computer, the monitor is second (but very close) and the mouse is a distant third. Least important: Processor speed, ram, DVDs, video cards, etc. Just my perspective... I'm sure other folks will have different ones. Richbegin:vcard n:;Richard x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fn:Richard Soule end:vcard
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
Richard Soule wrote: If you want to type VERY fast you should try one of these: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/professional.htm It's what I use at work and I love it. As a touch typist who is concerned about hand placement (WRT RSI), I saw one of those once at the UMass engineering lab and instantly wanted one. Then my friend explained to me how much they cost. Guess it'll have to wait. Erik ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
If you want to type VERY fast you should try one of these: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/professional.htm It's what I use at work and I love it. Caps Lock is next to the A key though... :-) Richbegin:vcard n:;Richard x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fn:Richard Soule end:vcard
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steven W. Orr wrote: | On a slightly similar vein, ... | | Is there a way to successfully plug in a Sun keyboard into a PC and get it | to work? I have switched my caps-lock and Ctrl keys years ago, but I'd | really rather do it the proper way. Is it possible, or is the circuitry | just incompatible? Has anyone done it? | | I've used Sun's adapter to plug a PC keyboard and trackball into a Sun. ~ I had a coworker that did the opposite as you descripe. My adapter was $75. His was cheaper IIRC. I'm sorry I don't remember the brand/model/etc. I switch from keyboard to keyboard so often I bit the bullet and got used to the PC 101 key. If laptops would just put ESC and ~ in common places, I'd be set. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/KRih2qRYRRBv/+IRAt+7AJ9ZNm615IC0Tapj4kP8ctxZzZNloACdE0+S KUr7K58RBr46DpDRteBDpqs= =OGsF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have to agree. I can't fathom why so many techies/coders make such > comments... How do you type > > open( LOGFILE, O_RDWR | O_EXCL | O_CREAT | O_NONBLOCK | O_NOCTTY | O_SYNC | > O_NOFOLLOW, > S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR | S_IRGRP | S_IWGRP ); > > without using CAPSLOCK? Only painfully, I would think... open( logfile, o_rdwr | o_excl | o_creat | o_nonblock | o_noctty | o_sync | o_nofollow, s_irusr | s_iwusr | s_irgrp | s_iwgrp ); C-p C-a M-f and then hold down the M-u key for a while. I'll bet that my way is at least as fast as using the caps-lock key, especially for Real World programming. --kevin (who never uses the caps-lock key, and who would die without xmodmap) -- Kevin D. Clark / Cetacean Networks / Portsmouth, N.H. (USA) cetaceannetworks.com!kclark (GnuPG ID: B280F24E) alumni.unh.edu!kdc ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 09:45 PM, Bill Freeman wrote: The Caps Lock key, on the other hand, belongs on the back or bottom of the computer, protected by a steel cover held in place by a dozen or so screws with an assortment of Robbinson heads and the ones that they use on restroom fittings so that vandals can't take them apart (and maybe some epoxy for good measure). I actually do use caps lock when typing all-caps constants in code private static final String JDBC_URL; ...there, I just used it again. Erik ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
Yes, as you noticed, I'm looking for the laptop keyboard replacement, much more specific requirements. I can certainly plug a PS/2 keyboard into the jack in the back and get by, but that sort of defeats the purpose of having a laptop. Actually, I intend to try to repair this keyboard, but it's working well enough that I don't want to mess unless I have a replacement in hand (or it gets much worse). I figure that if I get a used keyboard, there is a chance that it won't last long, so having this one as a spare, if I can fix it without destroying it, is a good strategy. Travis Roy writes: > If you're looking for something small check out a Happy Hacker > keyboard, they're tiny and they have the control key where the tab key > is on most keyboard. Lots of people that do work on sun machines say > this is the correct place for a control key. Actually, the correct place for the control key is where most keyboards have the Caps Lock key, right next to the 'A', just like on a model-33 or model-35 teletype (or a Datapoint 3300, or an ADM-3) such as were around when my muscle memory was being installed. (Plain PC and XT keyboards were like this too.) The Caps Lock key, on the other hand, belongs on the back or bottom of the computer, protected by a steel cover held in place by a dozen or so screws with an assortment of Robbinson heads and the ones that they use on restroom fittings so that vandals can't take them apart (and maybe some epoxy for good measure). Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
oh duh, laptop keyboard.. Don't mind me, I'm retarded (and both you Bens out there can keep your mouth shut about that comment) :) On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 06:15 PM, Bill Freeman wrote: My keyboard is starting to flake out, particularly the left ctrl key, which is a hard thing for an emacs kind of guy. It's a Dell Latitude, so probably the place to get a replacement is Dell, but I thought that I'd ask if folks have alternate suggestions before bighting the big price bullet. So, is anyone comfortable with some source of, say, quality used Dell keyboards? Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
I like a good old clicky keyboard myself. You can usually find nice ones at computer shows. Old AT style things that you will probably need an adapter for. They're loud, they're big, but they last just about forever and I like the feel of them much better. If you're looking for something small check out a Happy Hacker keyboard, they're tiny and they have the control key where the tab key is on most keyboard. Lots of people that do work on sun machines say this is the correct place for a control key. On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 06:15 PM, Bill Freeman wrote: My keyboard is starting to flake out, particularly the left ctrl key, which is a hard thing for an emacs kind of guy. It's a Dell Latitude, so probably the place to get a replacement is Dell, but I thought that I'd ask if folks have alternate suggestions before bighting the big price bullet. So, is anyone comfortable with some source of, say, quality used Dell keyboards? Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
I need suggestions as to where to get a replacement laptop keyboard
My keyboard is starting to flake out, particularly the left ctrl key, which is a hard thing for an emacs kind of guy. It's a Dell Latitude, so probably the place to get a replacement is Dell, but I thought that I'd ask if folks have alternate suggestions before bighting the big price bullet. So, is anyone comfortable with some source of, say, quality used Dell keyboards? Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
