Re: Linux has won

[Benjamin Scott]

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Bill McGonigle  wrote:
>> Linux may already be out-shipping Microsoft Windows.
>
> I think the one to beat is TRON:
>  http://www.t-engine.org/english/whatistron_en.html

  No problem, just attack the MCP.  ;-)

-- Ben

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Re: Linux has won

[Bill McGonigle]

On 12/15/2010 10:24 AM, Benjamin Scott wrote:
> Linux may already be out-shipping Microsoft Windows.

I think the one to beat is TRON:
   http://www.t-engine.org/english/whatistron_en.html

They'd shipped something like 40 billion units a decade ago, IIRC.

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Re: Linux has won

[Gerry Hull]

In overall computing OS shipments, Linux has surpassed Microsoft a very long
time ago.
Microsoft embedded OS is a very, very small part of their business.  99% of
MS OS business is Desktop and Server OS shipments.   I believe they still
have a commanding lead in the desktop, but Linux is certainly gaining
ground.  I'm not sure on servers, but I bet that is a lot closer, with Linux
perhaps having a small lead.

Where Microsoft has really lost is in "mind share".

Though I've been professionally developing MS apps for 30 years, I'd say
less than 25% of my time is spent directly on MS now... typical projects
involve Linux app servers, IOS and Android mobile/tablet OS, and lots of
Linux-based middleware.

What Linux and open source has done is increase the speed of innovation so
that the big, monolithic corporations can't keep up.

Gerry



On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Benjamin Scott wrote:

>  So, while I've been slaving away in the world of corporate IT, it
> appears Linux has quietly won the OS war.  I just didn't notice.
> Linux may already be out-shipping Microsoft Windows.
>
>  Work has me shopping for a large flat panel display for a conference
> room.  It appears that it is quite difficult, if not impossible, to
> buy a TV that is not running Linux internally.  Every manufacturer
> spec I've seen so far has had a GPL notice pointing to Linux kernel
> source code.  And while personal computers have certainly much more
> pervasive over the years, they've still got nothing on the boob tube.
>
> -- Ben
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Re: Linux has won

[Jarod Wilson]

On Dec 15, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Benjamin Scott wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen
>  wrote:
>> I heard that SORBs just started blocking the subnets used by the company
>> hosting my mail-server as part of November 2010 DUHL expansion,
>> and so some ISPs' customers can't receive e-mail from people using that
>> hosting service. I thought GMail was supposed to be smarter than that,
>> though.
> 
>  Practically everybody good these days use weighted scanning combined
> with IP blacklisting for severe offenders.  Google/Postini included.
> But if your MX IP address is considered "dynamic" for whatever reason,
> it is going to get weighted very highly towards the spam end of the
> spectrum.  Practically all mail sent directly from dynamic hosts is
> spam.  Whether or not Google should be using SORBS to make that
> determination, I have no idea.
> 
>  Are you saying you've got a static IP host but the RBLs are flagging
> the IP address as dynamic anyway?


SORBS and/or one/some of the other block lists out there also flag my
Verizon FiOS business-class-with-static-IP connection as dynamic,
which is annoying, but doesn't really matter anymore, since I've gone
and outsourced my mail hosting to teh googles...

I have vague recollections that the heuristic might actually be more
based on "reverse-lookup doesn't match" than whether or not its an
honest to goodness dynamic IP. I was too lazy to ask verizon to add
reverse-lookups that matched my domain, so the reverse-lookups come
back as static-x-x-x-x.bstnma.fios.verizon.net. Which of course, if
read by humans, actually suggests pretty clearly that the address is
in fact not dynamic, but alas...

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Re: Linux has won

[Benjamin Scott]

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen
 wrote:
> I heard that SORBs just started blocking the subnets used by the company
> hosting my mail-server as part of November 2010 DUHL expansion,
> and so some ISPs' customers can't receive e-mail from people using that
> hosting service. I thought GMail was supposed to be smarter than that,
> though.

  Practically everybody good these days use weighted scanning combined
with IP blacklisting for severe offenders.  Google/Postini included.
But if your MX IP address is considered "dynamic" for whatever reason,
it is going to get weighted very highly towards the spam end of the
spectrum.  Practically all mail sent directly from dynamic hosts is
spam.  Whether or not Google should be using SORBS to make that
determination, I have no idea.

  Are you saying you've got a static IP host but the RBLs are flagging
the IP address as dynamic anyway?

-- Ben
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Re: Linux has won

[Joshua Judson Rosen]

Joshua Judson Rosen  writes:
> "Ken D'Ambrosio"  writes:
> >
> > On Wed, December 15, 2010 10:24 am, Benjamin Scott wrote:
> > > So, while I've been slaving away in the world of corporate IT,
> > > it appears Linux has quietly won the OS war.  I just didn't
> > > notice. Linux may already be out-shipping Microsoft Windows.
> > 
> > Oh, indeed.  In the embedded market, Linux is there, and then some.
> > Indeed, I'm toying with the idea of installing the third-party Linux
> > "distro" for my Samsung, so I could browse SMB and NFS shares.
> > 
> > *wonders if his microwave is Linux-based*
> 
> Maybe not, but
[...]

And..., Ben's GMail account just sent me a bounce-message
about how it thought that message was spam. Anyone have any idea
what's up with that?

I heard that SORBs just started blocking the subnets used by the company
hosting my mail-server as part of November 2010 DUHL expansion,
and so some ISPs' customers can't receive e-mail from people using that
hosting service. I thought GMail was supposed to be smarter than that,
though.

Maybe it was the list of suprisingly-related different types of devices
that all run Linux--`too many words not previously known to be related
to each other, you're either insightful or a spammer'?

-- 
"Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr."

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Re: Linux has won

[Joshua Judson Rosen]

"Ken D'Ambrosio"  writes:
>
> On Wed, December 15, 2010 10:24 am, Benjamin Scott wrote:
> > So, while I've been slaving away in the world of corporate IT, it
> > appears Linux has quietly won the OS war.  I just didn't notice. Linux may
> > already be out-shipping Microsoft Windows.
> 
> Oh, indeed.  In the embedded market, Linux is there, and then some. 
> Indeed, I'm toying with the idea of installing the third-party Linux
> "distro" for my Samsung, so I could browse SMB and NFS shares.
> 
> *wonders if his microwave is Linux-based*

Maybe not, but Electrolux *does* have a *fridge* that's Linux-based:

http://www.enlightenment.org/?p=news/show&l=en&news_id=26


A few years ago, I was at the movie-theatre down in Lowell,
with a friend who had a thing for photo-booths, when I discovered
that the photo-booth there was running Red Hat Linux.

`Embedded Linux' was already pretty pervasive, even at that point--
having worked its way into a lot of types of devices that people
don't even expect to be `digital' inside, let alone be `computers'
(e.g.: photo-booths, A/V amplifiers and stereo equipment, batteries,
telephones [before Android], the telephone *network*...).

Now it's toys for small children, refrigerators, televisions,
e-Books, motorcycles, guitars, personal audio-players,
video games

As Mark Weiser wrote in `The computer for the 21st Century'
:

   "The most profound technologies are those that disappear.
They weave themselves into the fabric of everyday life
until they are indistinguishable from it."

They're the things that happen without anyone noticing that they happened--
change that become visible only in retrospective.

And it's by design, actually.

Part of what's going on here is that more and more `mundane' objects
are advancing technologically and becoming `smart'; and, when they do,
they use Linux--because Linux is the thing that's making that advance
possible in the first place. Develop your own thing from scratch?
Pay to license something more obscure, and get a smaller talent-pool?
Linux is a commodity. You're not supposed to notice when it gets used,
just like you're not supposed to notice when 5-volt circuits
(with connectors made by what manufacturer?) get used.

At least, that's my perspective from the inside--that's why
*my* groups have been shipping Linux for the past decade :)

The amazing thing is that Linux-uptake just seems to *keep accelerating*

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Re: Linux has won

[Alan Johnson]

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Benjamin Scott wrote:

>  So, while I've been slaving away in the world of corporate IT, it
> appears Linux has quietly won the OS war.  I just didn't notice.
> Linux may already be out-shipping Microsoft Windows.
>
>  Work has me shopping for a large flat panel display for a conference
> room.  It appears that it is quite difficult, if not impossible, to
> buy a TV that is not running Linux internally.  Every manufacturer
> spec I've seen so far has had a GPL notice pointing to Linux kernel
> source code.  And while personal computers have certainly much more
> pervasive over the years, they've still got nothing on the boob tube.
>

Yeah, between that and Android (plus other Linux phones with more sure to
follow shortly), we are certainly very close if not there already.  I don't
even know anyone who wants Windows 7 Mobile on their phone, let alone anyone
who has one.  Anyone?

On a tangent, I get a kick out of Intel's adds lately telling me that I'm
going to be able to do all this "cool" Internet stuff with my the new TV
with Intel Inside that they want me to buy so I can pick from a handful of
apps in their store and connect my TV to the Facebook account I don't have
or want.  The kick comes from seeing the adds on Hulu and Comedy Central
being viewed on my 8+ old year old 52" rear projection screen with a little
Ubuntu box on top.

My TV has "been on the Internet" for about 4 years now, and I imagine many
of you have done so as well.  Now, this group may be early adopters of such
tech, but as Ben points out, most new TVs already come with some kind of
fairly capable computer built into them, many with Boxee or similar
functionality.  Apple TV's been our for years.  Granted many of those
systems have Intel Inside (including the Dell Hybrid on my set) but Intel
want the general public to think they are directly responsible for brining
this innovation that's already here, and they are likely to be successful.
Remember when they did the same thing with Wifi a few years ago?  I spent a
memorable bit of the 2nd 2 years of my time in the wireless consulting biz
explaining to average users that the Intel Centrino was not the invention of
wireless LANs.

So, you've got to hand it to Intel marking.  Sleaziness aside, they sure
know how to manipulate the ignorance of the average consumer.  =)
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Re: Linux has won

[Ken D'Ambrosio]

On Wed, December 15, 2010 10:24 am, Benjamin Scott wrote:
> So, while I've been slaving away in the world of corporate IT, it
> appears Linux has quietly won the OS war.  I just didn't notice. Linux may
> already be out-shipping Microsoft Windows.

Oh, indeed.  In the embedded market, Linux is there, and then some. 
Indeed, I'm toying with the idea of installing the third-party Linux
"distro" for my Samsung, so I could browse SMB and NFS shares.

*wonders if his microwave is Linux-based*

-Ken


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Linux has won

[Benjamin Scott]

  So, while I've been slaving away in the world of corporate IT, it
appears Linux has quietly won the OS war.  I just didn't notice.
Linux may already be out-shipping Microsoft Windows.

  Work has me shopping for a large flat panel display for a conference
room.  It appears that it is quite difficult, if not impossible, to
buy a TV that is not running Linux internally.  Every manufacturer
spec I've seen so far has had a GPL notice pointing to Linux kernel
source code.  And while personal computers have certainly much more
pervasive over the years, they've still got nothing on the boob tube.

-- Ben
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