Re: Perl v. Python (was OO.o, was METRO, was...)

2006-03-17 Thread John Abreau

Ben Scott wrote:


  The feeling I have is that Python has only started to get
"mainstream attention" in the past few years, while Perl became
popular sooner.  If true, one wonders why.  And if true, that might
also account for some of the "buzz" around Python; Perl isn't as
"interesting", being more established.  It might also be that Perl is
seen more as a "boring every-day problem solver".



Perl leveraged a lot from shell scripting; for someone already 
proficient in ksh, awk, and sed, it was extremely simple to transition 
to perl. Essentially, you didn't have to start from scratch; perl felt 
like the same old familiar shell scripting, minus the pain of wrestling 
with awk and sed.


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Re: Perl v. Python (was OO.o, was METRO, was...)

2006-03-17 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/17/06, Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Nor did I take it as such.  And I was merely observing that, though
>> the languages are both roughly the same age, Perl has significantly
>> more mind-share than Python.
>
> OTOH, other development circles I hang out in are all abuzz about
> Python and Ruby. Perl just sort of "is". Lots of *innovative* things
> seems to be showing up in Python.

  The feeling I have is that Python has only started to get
"mainstream attention" in the past few years, while Perl became
popular sooner.  If true, one wonders why.  And if true, that might
also account for some of the "buzz" around Python; Perl isn't as
"interesting", being more established.  It might also be that Perl is
seen more as a "boring every-day problem solver".

  Do note that the objective factual content of the above paragraph is zero.  :)

-- Ben
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Re: Perl v. Python (was OO.o, was METRO, was...)

2006-03-17 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 12:56:13PM -0500, Drew Van Zandt wrote:
> Google: Python vs. Perl

Well Python wins, of course. Google uses Python in way more places than
it uses Perl...

Oh, you probably were using Google as a verb, and not a noun...

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Re: Perl v. Python (was OO.o, was METRO, was...)

2006-03-17 Thread Drew Van Zandt
Google: Python vs. Perl

Of course python is also a normal English-language word...

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Re: Perl v. Python (was OO.o, was METRO, was...)

2006-03-17 Thread Michael ODonnell


> It depends upon the minds you're citing.  Google cites 290 million
> hits on Python versus 365 million on Perl, so you could argue
> that's an edge or around a 4:5 ratio.

Possibly.  Of course, those stats might also be an indication
that Perl is (or "many Perl programs are") so much more
confusing than Python that it results in that many millions
more desperate WWW searches for help in understanding it.;->







N.B.  I'm just fanning the flames since I don't know either language...
 
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Perl v. Python (was OO.o, was METRO, was...)

2006-03-17 Thread Ted Roche

On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Paul Lussier wrote:


Nor did I take it as such.  And I was merely observing that, though
the languages are both roughly the same age, Perl has significantly
more mind-share than Python.


It depends upon the minds you're citing. Google cites 290 million  
hits on Python versus 365 million on Perl, so you could argue that's  
an edge or around a 4:5 ratio. But three hundred million hits is  
popular enough for me.


OTOH, other development circles I hang out in are all abuzz about  
Python and Ruby. Perl just sort of "is". Lots of *innovative* things  
seems to be showing up in Python.


The Tiobe survey of languages shows a pretty close match-up:

http://www.tiobe.com/index.htm?tiobe_index

Places sixth and eighth, but with Perl at twice the percentage of  
Python.
(This citation falls firmly into the "lies, damned lies and  
statistics" category, imo)


I think most of us know it's not the hammer, it's the hand that  
determines the quality of the piece. But it is interesting to see the  
various tools and the mindsets they convey.




Ted Roche
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