Re: Power consumption (was: free to good home, 19 CRT)
Compared to the cost of a few hundred bucks for a nice new panel display, that doesn't exactly blow me away. Of course, there are other factors in a panel, including physical space savings and waste heat [...] Your and Paul's analysis of the costs of the monitor are spot-on -- it's what we geeks do best. This sort of micro cost analysis is fairly easy. But if one injects energy/social/political/environmental factors into the equation things quickly become less black-and-white and also potentially more important. For example, today an increasing number of people -- economists, oil industry analysts, and (what a shocker!) even a rare politician -- are convinced that we're in or near the age of Peak Oil (aka Hubbert's Peak; the world's historical peak of oil production). We've seen oil prices go up more than 25% in less than three months and fifty per cent over the last year; 400% since 1999. Some predict a doubling of the price of oil in the near future. These oil prices directly impact electricity prices. Forget the environmental concerns, if we look at just the economic aspect energy prices will be increasing dramatically and are very unlikely to ever come down. Since the US has no energy program other than to take military control of Mid East and Caspian Basin oil supplies (a strategy that isn't going so well), there are more dark clouds on the horizon. As such, purchasing an appliance that saves over 50% of energy compared to its equivalent is a wise investment and easily trumps a cost-benefit analysis done exclusively on today's energy prices. Regards, . Randy -- Fascism could better be called 'corporatism', for it is merely the merging of state power with corporate power. -- Benito Mussolini, the Italian dictator who invented fascism ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: Power consumption (was: free to good home, 19 CRT)
Ah, but that new appliance wasn't produced for free. It was made in an energy-consuming factory, most likely by people that drove their cars to work. And then it got from the factory to you the consumer via trucks and trains and ship that also burn fuel. You probably added to the landfill a bunch of plastics and noxious chemicals also. Even though the CRT in question was given to a new home, someone most likely threw out an old screen somewhere down the line because of it. IMO, you can't really, truly, justify a purchase like that economically, environmentally, OR politically. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Edwards Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 1:03 PM To: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Subject: Re: Power consumption (was: free to good home, 19 CRT) As such, purchasing an appliance that saves over 50% of energy compared to its equivalent is a wise investment and easily trumps a cost-benefit analysis done exclusively on today's energy prices. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Power consumption (was: free to good home, 19 CRT)
On Apr 17, 2005, at 13:26, Brian wrote: IMO, you can't really, truly, justify a purchase like that economically, environmentally, OR politically. Yeah, but it's sexy, saves desk space, and it's a good enough excuse for SWMBO. More practically, I've never had an LCD lose focus on me. I've scrapped four CRT's in the past decade (dual monitor setup c.1993) due to focus issues which cannot be fixed economically. At least I'm not replacing flyback transformers anymore! If there's a reconditioner who's interested in blurry monitors I've not found him yet. So... presumably I'll be replacing the LCD's less frequently than the CRT's (if the bulb lasts) which will put fewer pounds of total material and quite a bit less lead on the landfill. If the argument surrounds a single upgrade it's harder to defend, but reality is stuff fails at frequency f and costs rate x to fix or y to replace and that needs to be in the calculation. It's probably more costly than the electricity the unit will use over the lifetime of the unit. -Bill P.S. There are some really good deals on big analog-input panels out there during the move to DVI. The signal rides a good cable and is digitized onboard anyhow - if there is any quantization noise error in the display either I can't see it or it's outside the performance envelope of the panel itself. - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Pager: 603.442.1833 AIM: wpmcgonigleSkype: bill_mcgonigle For fastest support contact, please follow: http://bfccomputing.com/support_contact.html ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
