Re: Presention software?

2013-06-10 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen 
Bill Freeman ke1g...@gmail.com writes:

 Just for completeness, I've done some presentations using PDFs made using the
 Beamer package for LaTeX.  Sample here: http://ke1g.org/media/uploads/files/
 egg_hunt.pdf .

 Unless you know TeX/LaTeX (or want desperately to learn it), it is probably
 not worth your time.  If you do want to try it, I could find you the source
 for that presentation of another as reference.

I took a look at Beamer, actually--not because of or in spite of the TeX
aspect (I know enough TeX to be able to write texinfo, and going further
in probably wouldn't be a big deal), but because I saw that Emacs' org-mode
can be used to make slides via Beamer:

http://orgmode.org/worg/exporters/beamer/tutorial.html


I believe I first noticed that link (among others) in Sacha Chua's
`How to present using Org-mode in Emacs' article:


http://sachachua.com/blog/2013/04/how-to-present-using-org-mode-in-emacs/


 On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com
 wrote:

 Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com writes:
 
  I should have mentioned up front that I'd already actually
  looked at S5 and decided against it. It looks like a good tool
  for doing what it does, but what it does isn't what I want
  (as far as I can tell from the examples). The same goes
  for impress.js.

 ... and reveal.js, which was actually the one I was thinking of
 when I wrote impress.js :)

 (both of them actually seem to do what they do well enough, actually;
  I'm just looking for something that does something else :))

 --
 Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr.

  I don't want my in-person presentation to revolve around me
  *reading the content of the slides* to my audience; I've always
  hated watching other peoples presentations that are done like
  that--I find myself asking `why are both of us wasting our time
  with me sitting here waiting for you to finish reading the slides
  to me when I could just read them myself?'. It always seems
  like we could save an hour (multiplied by the number of people
  at those presentation!) if we all just read the slides ourselves
  and then convened afterward for *just the QA* portion
 
  I want to put together something more like, I guess, this
  `remedies for frustration' presentation by Martin Pool:
 
      https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/
 1awg1CHM1w128iOBp_JOxE2DgHfywBeyjDe2bkx1vfVQ/edit?pli=1#slide=id.p
 
  ... or a presentation that Larry Lessig gave but that I can't
  find right now.
 
  The slides are just illustrations for text/speech; rather than
  the text/speech being `narration for the slides'.
 
  But:
 
      * when I give the talk in person, I need notes (outside
        of the slides) to guide me through the topics.
        I might as well store those *in the presentation*
        somehow, even though they'll be *outside the slides*.
 
      * When I post it on my website, I'll the `notes'
        or narration will *need* to be included in the
        packaged presentation, otherwise the slides won't
        make any sense.
 
  Ideally, because of the `slides as illustrations for the speech
  vs. speech as narration for the slides' issue, I'd like to have
  slide-sequences subordinate to notes rather than the other way
  around--because there are some things where I'd really prefer
  to be able to flip through several slides for a single paragraph
  (or even sentence) of speech.
 
  (for example, 3 slides for Powerpoint is Hurting. Communication.)
 
  It looks like some of the Emacs org-mode-based options might
  allow for that (not sure yet); is there *anything* [else?]
  that will actually give me what I want? If not, how close
  can I get?
 
  Alternately: I heard someone say, a while back, that `Tufte
  should realise that, good or bad, Powerpoint has one--so
  it's time to stop hating and start *co-opting*'. But how?
 
 
  Greg Rundlett (freephile) g...@freephile.com writes:
  
   +1 Eric Meyer's s5 is good.
  
   My notes on the subject
   https://freephile.org/wiki/index.php/Presentation
  
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Re: Presention software?

2013-06-08 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen 
Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com writes:

 I should have mentioned up front that I'd already actually
 looked at S5 and decided against it. It looks like a good tool
 for doing what it does, but what it does isn't what I want
 (as far as I can tell from the examples). The same goes
 for impress.js.

... and reveal.js, which was actually the one I was thinking of
when I wrote impress.js :)

(both of them actually seem to do what they do well enough, actually;
 I'm just looking for something that does something else :))


-- 
Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr.


 I don't want my in-person presentation to revolve around me
 *reading the content of the slides* to my audience; I've always
 hated watching other peoples presentations that are done like
 that--I find myself asking `why are both of us wasting our time
 with me sitting here waiting for you to finish reading the slides
 to me when I could just read them myself?'. It always seems
 like we could save an hour (multiplied by the number of people
 at those presentation!) if we all just read the slides ourselves
 and then convened afterward for *just the QA* portion

 I want to put together something more like, I guess, this
 `remedies for frustration' presentation by Martin Pool:

 
 https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1awg1CHM1w128iOBp_JOxE2DgHfywBeyjDe2bkx1vfVQ/edit?pli=1#slide=id.p

 ... or a presentation that Larry Lessig gave but that I can't
 find right now.

 The slides are just illustrations for text/speech; rather than
 the text/speech being `narration for the slides'.

 But:

 * when I give the talk in person, I need notes (outside
   of the slides) to guide me through the topics.
   I might as well store those *in the presentation*
   somehow, even though they'll be *outside the slides*.

 * When I post it on my website, I'll the `notes'
   or narration will *need* to be included in the
   packaged presentation, otherwise the slides won't
   make any sense.

 Ideally, because of the `slides as illustrations for the speech
 vs. speech as narration for the slides' issue, I'd like to have
 slide-sequences subordinate to notes rather than the other way
 around--because there are some things where I'd really prefer
 to be able to flip through several slides for a single paragraph
 (or even sentence) of speech.

 (for example, 3 slides for Powerpoint is Hurting. Communication.)

 It looks like some of the Emacs org-mode-based options might
 allow for that (not sure yet); is there *anything* [else?]
 that will actually give me what I want? If not, how close
 can I get?

 Alternately: I heard someone say, a while back, that `Tufte
 should realise that, good or bad, Powerpoint has one--so
 it's time to stop hating and start *co-opting*'. But how?


 Greg Rundlett (freephile) g...@freephile.com writes:
 
  +1 Eric Meyer's s5 is good.
 
  My notes on the subject
  https://freephile.org/wiki/index.php/Presentation
 
  Greg Rundlett

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Re: Presention software?

2013-06-07 Thread Lloyd Kvam 
On Thu, 2013-06-06 at 21:01 -0400, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote:
 I think the last time I did this, I just wrote a bunch of HTML
 with frames and ran the `slideshow' using a web browser

S5 might be a good fit.  It's HTML/CSS/javascript.  I believe Ted Roche
has provided a presentation about using it.

Python docutils includes a script to convert a text file into S5.

http://wiki.s5project.org/HTML_slideshow_tools
provides some links to S5 and more...

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Re: Presention software?

2013-06-07 Thread Greg Rundlett (freephile) 
+1 Eric Meyer's s5 is good.

My notes on the subject
https://freephile.org/wiki/index.php/Presentation

Greg Rundlett
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Re: Presention software?

2013-06-07 Thread Peter M. Petrakis 
I use this a lot.

http://www.ngolde.de/tpp.html

trivial markup language, resembles MD. Being terminal based
it does well for presentations that flip between content
and running demonstrations; you could probably keep the entire
presentation inside emacs.

ex from homepage:

--author Andreas Krennmair
--title A simple example
--date today
This is the abstract of this presentation.
It may consist of zero or more lines, and may be as long as you want.
--newpage agenda
--heading Agenda

   * Introduction

   * Concept

   * Implementation

   * Comparison with other implementations

   * Conclusions
--newpage intro
--heading Introduction

This is the introduction. And below, that's source code.

--beginoutput
#include stdio.h

int main(void) {
   puts(Hello World!);
   return 0;
}
--endoutput


On 06/07/2013 09:53 AM, Greg Rundlett (freephile) wrote:
 +1 Eric Meyer's s5 is good.

 My notes on the subject
 https://freephile.org/wiki/index.php/Presentation

 Greg Rundlett



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Re: Presention software?

2013-06-07 Thread Mark Komarinski 
On 6/6/13 9:01 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote:
 So, it's been something like a million years since I gave a proper
 presentation with `slides' and stuff; I have one that I want to
 put together, though, now--and I... haven't the faintest idea how
 people actually go about doing that, these days.

 I think the last time I did this, I just wrote a bunch of HTML
 with frames and ran the `slideshow' using a web browser

 What do people do, these days?

 Whatever format I end up with, I'd like it to be something that
 I can put on my web-site, and I'd love for it to be something
 that people can view in their web-browsers.

I've given up and use PPT (rather, the equivalent in Libre/OpenOffice).

About a zillion years ago, I used to use MagicPoint which is still 
packaged in Debian.  You use a text file to generate the slide 
information, then can display on an X screen or export to HTML.

...and I found my old slides I gave 10 years ago.

http://www.wayga.org/melba/02_2003/

-Mark
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Re: Presention software?

2013-06-07 Thread Ted Roche 
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Lloyd Kvam pyt...@venix.com wrote:


 S5 might be a good fit.  It's HTML/CSS/javascript.  I believe Ted Roche
 has provided a presentation about using it.


Yes, I've done a couple presentations using it in the last few years. A
couple public ones can be seen at http://www.tedroche.com/papers.php

It's pretty simple markup, lets you use the power of HTML/CSS should you
choose, has built in forward/back/home/end keyboard shortcuts and on-screen
buttons, and can be dropped onto the internet for archival purposes with no
conversion/viewer needed.

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Re: Presention software?

2013-06-07 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen 
I should have mentioned up front that I'd already actually
looked at S5 and decided against it. It looks like a good tool
for doing what it does, but what it does isn't what I want
(as far as I can tell from the examples). The same goes
for impress.js.

I don't want my in-person presentation to revolve around me
*reading the content of the slides* to my audience; I've always
hated watching other peoples presentations that are done like
that--I find myself asking `why are both of us wasting our time
with me sitting here waiting for you to finish reading the slides
to me when I could just read them myself?'. It always seems
like we could save an hour (multiplied by the number of people
at those presentation!) if we all just read the slides ourselves
and then convened afterward for *just the QA* portion

I want to put together something more like, I guess, this
`remedies for frustration' presentation by Martin Pool:


https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1awg1CHM1w128iOBp_JOxE2DgHfywBeyjDe2bkx1vfVQ/edit?pli=1#slide=id.p

... or a presentation that Larry Lessig gave but that I can't
find right now.

The slides are just illustrations for text/speech; rather than
the text/speech being `narration for the slides'.

But:

* when I give the talk in person, I need notes (outside
  of the slides) to guide me through the topics.
  I might as well store those *in the presentation*
  somehow, even though they'll be *outside the slides*.

* When I post it on my website, I'll the `notes'
  or narration will *need* to be included in the
  packaged presentation, otherwise the slides won't
  make any sense.

Ideally, because of the `slides as illustrations for the speech
vs. speech as narration for the slides' issue, I'd like to have
slide-sequences subordinate to notes rather than the other way
around--because there are some things where I'd really prefer
to be able to flip through several slides for a single paragraph
(or even sentence) of speech.

(for example, 3 slides for Powerpoint is Hurting. Communication.)

It looks like some of the Emacs org-mode-based options might
allow for that (not sure yet); is there *anything* [else?]
that will actually give me what I want? If not, how close
can I get?

Alternately: I heard someone say, a while back, that `Tufte
should realise that, good or bad, Powerpoint has one--so
it's time to stop hating and start *co-opting*'. But how?


Greg Rundlett (freephile) g...@freephile.com writes:

 +1 Eric Meyer's s5 is good.

 My notes on the subject
 https://freephile.org/wiki/index.php/Presentation

 Greg Rundlett

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Re: Presention software?

2013-06-07 Thread Michael ODonnell 


Bret Victor (definitely a Renaissance Man) will break your
heart with this video of a tool for creating presentations
that he says he'll be releasing...  someday:

   http://vimeo.com/66085662
 
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Re: Presention software?

2013-06-07 Thread Lloyd Kvam 
On Fri, 2013-06-07 at 12:52 -0400, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote:
 I should have mentioned up front that I'd already actually
 looked at S5 and decided against it. 

I should have realized that you already knew about S5.

 It looks like a good tool
 for doing what it does, but what it does isn't what I want
 (as far as I can tell from the examples). The same goes
 for impress.js.
 
 I don't want my in-person presentation to revolve around me
 *reading the content of the slides* to my audience;

S5 may not work for you, but it does support having an associated block
of material for each slide.  I agree that reading slides to the audience
is deadly dull. 

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Re: Presention software?

2013-06-06 Thread David Rysdam 
Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com writes:
 So, it's been something like a million years since I gave a proper
 presentation with `slides' and stuff; I have one that I want to
 put together, though, now--and I... haven't the faintest idea how
 people actually go about doing that, these days.

 I think the last time I did this, I just wrote a bunch of HTML
 with frames and ran the `slideshow' using a web browser

 What do people do, these days?

A person of our mutual acquaintance uses troff to make PDFs which he
then displays in landscape.

I remember hearing about slide production system a few years ago that
was supposed to be the new hotness. But I haven't heard of it much since
(not that I would have) so I'm not sure what it was. Googling
powerpoint replacement I find quite a few things with names dumb
enough to be it.

I think the answer is going to depend on what you presenting to
whom. Need embedded movies? Need to be something HR can put on a laptop
before you get there? Need to impress a technical person with
razzle-dazzle? 
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Re: Presention software?

2013-06-06 Thread Curt Howland 
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen
roz...@geekspace.com wrote:
 So, it's been something like a million years since I gave a proper
 presentation with `slides' and stuff; I have one that I want to
 put together, though, now--and I... haven't the faintest idea how
 people actually go about doing that, these days.

I used Libre Office Impress, but nothing I did was fancy, I just
pushed the space-bar to go to the next slide.

LO did export as PDF very nicely, and the PDF displayed full screen
did basically the same thing Impress did.

Curt-
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