Re: twitter vs identi.ca
Ben Scott dragonh...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: Ralph A. Mack ralphm...@comcast.net writes: One intriguing characteristic of short messages is that it forces non-live discussion into a give-and-take mode resembling live conversation ... So, in other words..., it's yet another IM system? No, it's not Instant. (ducking) I guess that was supposed to be a joke, but it looks like you're actually *right* I had forgotten this (maybe blocked or repressed would be a more apropriate verb), but now I remember that a (non-technical) friend of mine actually explained her use of *Twitter* in exactly those terms--she said: I'm surprised *you* of all people don't use twitter. It's just like instant messenger, but not real-time. At the time, it didn't any sense to me, so I just discarded that piece of wisdom: all of the IM systems per se were already `not real-time' for me, because I'm *connected all the time*. I had (and have) been running curses-based IM-clients in a Screen session on an SSH server for so many *years* that I forgot that most people don't operate like that: they sign-on when they're at their computer, sign-off when they get up to go do something else, and don't have their scrollback or logs (if they even keep logs) available at all times from all places. But now, I think, I understand: an IM system that automatically keeps track of your conversations for you in one place--so that they're always available wherever you are; and that basically has an `IM voicemail' (without the `voice', obviously...) is *awesome*. And now I have an account on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/rozzin I *still* don't get *Twitter*, though. I just can't make much sense out of it: I find myself stepping into the middle of conversations, and only the last phrase uttered is immediately visible. The `scrollback' is *in the system*, but if I want to read it then I have to *track it down* *phrase by phrase*, like: OK, I see he said this in reply to this other person. The last thing that the other person said was this, which was in reply to this third person. ... and that all just falls apart if any of the participants have since moved on to *other* conversations: The last thing that this third person said was... part of a different conversation. FAIL. Identi.ca looks pretty nice, though--there's an in context link that I can follow to see an entire conversation-thread at once! And there are actually *threads*! It actually *seems* a lot like a system that I've wanted to develop for the past decade--if it really is, then I suppose that I'm elated that someone else found a way to built it for me :) It looks *sort-of* `like Twitter but less stupid', but really more `like FaceBook but less insular and hostile and two-faced and creepy'. Thanks to Ralph for helping me understand :) -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: twitter vs identi.ca
Ralph A. Mack ralphm...@comcast.net writes: One intriguing characteristic of short messages is that it forces non-live discussion into a give-and-take mode resembling live conversation rather than the lecture-followed-by-qa mode characteristic of blogs and most email. So, in other words..., it's yet another IM system? -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: twitter vs identi.ca
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: One intriguing characteristic of short messages is that it forces non-live discussion into a give-and-take mode resembling live conversation ... So, in other words..., it's yet another IM system? No, it's not Instant. (ducking) -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: twitter vs identi.ca
Arc Riley arcri...@gmail.com writes: I'd like to encourage everyone to choose the free software microblogging service http://identi.ca/ Twitter is proprietary, where Status.net (which identi.ca uses) is licensed under the AGPLv3. Most of the free software community uses identi.ca instead of twitter, though you can link your accounts so posts to identi.ca repeat to twitter (and facebook, etc). Interestingly, identi.ca also seems to have a sustainable model for supporting their post-by-phone service, where (as fas as I can tell) Twitter's `business model' continues to be `convince venture capitalists to give us money to pay for this stuff in hopes that we'll be able to monetise our userbase someday, somehow, once it's big enough'. I guess this means that I have to figure out a different reason to curmudge on microblogging as a whole, now Thanks a lot, Arc... ;) -- Don't Be Afraid To Ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: twitter vs identi.ca
Joshua Judson Rosen writes:
I guess this means that I have to figure out a different reason to
curmudge on microblogging as a whole, now Thanks a lot, Arc... ;)
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You could start by pointing out that the body of Arc's email took up
at least 383 characters... (-:
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Re: twitter vs identi.ca
@Kevin ah but this is email, not microblogging ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: twitter vs identi.ca
Arc Riley writes: @Kevin ah but this is email, not microblogging Yes, I know. Kind regards, --kevin -- alumni.unh.edu!kdcGod, I loved that Pontiac. http://kdc-blog.blogspot.com/ -- Tom Waits GnuPG: D87F DAD6 0291 289C EB1E 781C 9BF8 A7D8 B280 F24E ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: twitter vs identi.ca
One intriguing characteristic of short messages is that it forces non-live discussion into a give-and-take mode resembling live conversation rather than the lecture-followed-by-qa mode characteristic of blogs and most email. I've been playing with the notion of writing a plugin for Firefox or Chrome that tracks the size of emails I'm writing in tweets (SMS 160-character units) and slowly changes my screen background from white via various shades of pink and salmon to a very angry shade of red as the tweet-count increases, in order to curb my habit of putting every thought I have on a topic into every communication. :) I'm bracing myself to encounter widespread encouragement from those who have read my prior posts to this list or have the misfortune of being in my address book. ;) Ralph ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: twitter vs identi.ca
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Ralph A. Mack ralphm...@comcast.net wrote: I'm bracing myself to encounter widespread encouragement from those who have read my prior posts to this list or have the misfortune of being in my address book. ;) And me -- you're cutting in on my territory! ;-) -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: twitter vs identi.ca
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:19:42PM -0500, Arc Riley wrote: I'd like to encourage everyone to choose the free software microblogging service http://identi.ca/ http://identi.ca/%20 Gee, and you didn't even say who you are there. Not that it's hard to figure out :-) I've been there since July 2008, I think, and although I haven't found (mainly for lack of effort on my part) many people to connected to on identi.ca, I always have it up in an IM window. -mm- (aka @revmem) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: twitter vs identi.ca
@arc I've been on for awhile, but only recently started using it regularly. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
