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Ed, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Consider the following for a moment. For them to file an annual report, > they had to know there was organization in the first place or someone who > asked them to sign had to know about the organization. SOMEONE had to know there was an organization, but not necessarily "Peter Wells of 408 Middle Hancock Rd." No one checks your id when you file those forms. The person who filed it could have been Frances Snodgrass of Tallehassi, and just looked up four people's names in the telephone book, put their names on the document (all were the same block-style printing), then signed the form "Peter Wells". No other signatures were required, and I bet there was no checking of ID. On the other document that Ted found, there was no name for "contact" or "agent", only a PO Box number. So when the State sent the notice for the report, it went to the PO number, which over five years could have been assigned to someone else. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > It a weird world and most anything can happen, so who knows. Yup, I just want to have this registration annulled, and let's go on. md -- Jon "maddog" Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: Hans Reisler (Was "GNHLUG Launders Money?")
On Monday 16 October 2006 07:40 am, Jon maddog Hall wrote: > I was going to use "Hitler" as the subject line, but that was a > little too strong for this particular thread, so I will just use poor > Han's name instead. Lighten up guys! It was only in jest. The serious contribution was about the tax angle. Jim Kuzdrall ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: GNHLUG Launders Money?
On Oct 16, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Jim Kuzdrall wrote: As this investigation builds, the list of possible explanations for the incorporation shrinks rapidly toward zero. Let me add a way-out, paranoid possibility. Yep, you're right, that's way out. I wonder if there is a rather active bank account somewhere in the name of GNHLUG. It might serve for money laundering or tax evasion. (Wow, this is getting exciting!) The bank might check that it is a valid NH corporation, but no further. No, banks require a Federal ID number. Another route to explore is taxes. Don't corporations have to file tax forms, whether or not they make a profit? Is the federal tax filing public information? Perhaps it must be if the incorporation were "non-profit". As long as the non-profit is small (and depending under which IRS reg the group is formed - 501c3, 501c6, 529, etc.), no federal filings are required. I think the limit for the form we were looking at was $10,000. Standard disclaimer: no statements in this document should be construed as legal or tax advice. It would be pretty curious if "GNHLUG" were a laundering operation or a means of slipping money to politicians, a;a Abramoff. It's more likely a transposition of the numbers, however. I'm sure we'll get to the bottom of this soon. Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: GNHLUG NH registration
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:57:34 -0400 Jon maddog Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No. Seeing that they just got a call out of the blue telling them that their name > and address was on a document stating that they were a board member of an organization > that they had never heard of, I was not going to play "six degrees of freedom" with > them. I think your approach was understandable and all and no doubt this is why police and lawyers are not thought warm and fuzzy, but when you need to figure out what is going on you ask those you can find everything. > > when I called him he said that not only had he never signed a letter like > that, but he had never heard of the Greater New Hampshire Linux User's Group. Of course you must also consider the possibility that he was not telling you the truth. Consider the following for a moment. For them to file an annual report, they had to know there was organization in the first place or someone who asked them to sign had to know about the organization. Also, the filling of the annual report was likely in response to a letter from the Secretary of State to the organization that a report needed to be filed. So someone who was involved in the formation and subsequent annual reports if any must have provided the name and address of a person, that person would have received the notice, and the report created and filed by or through that person. In short, I don't buy the story they don't know anything unless someone asked them to sign and they did not pay attention to what they were signing. It a weird world and most anything can happen, so who knows. Its all speculation at this point. Ed Lawson -- Edward E. Lawson, Esq. Lawson & Persson, PC 67 Water Street, Suite 103 Laconia, NH 03246 Tel: 603-528-0036 FAX:603-528-3332 NOTICE REGARDING CONFIDENTIALITY AND ATTORNEY/CLIENT PRIVILEGE This message, including any attachments, is a PRIVATE communication which may contain attorney/client privileged material and is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use, or disclose to others. If you have received this message in error, please reply to sender and delete this message from your system. Thank you. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: GNHLUG NH registration
On 10/16/06, Jon maddog Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01a8' [...] If I wanted to go the "paranoid" route, it seems that the webmaster of the State of New Hampshire is involved in this. No, no, clearly, Microsoft is! And I bet Bill Gates is really a pod-person! ;-) -- B ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Re: GNHLUG NH registration
Cole, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Out of curiosity, did you ask if they knew each other - leading to the > question if perhaps they knew somebody in common? No. Seeing that they just got a call out of the blue telling them that their name and address was on a document stating that they were a board member of an organization that they had never heard of, I was not going to play "six degrees of freedom" with them. One was already making noises about privacy violations. I told them that at most the State of New Hampshire might be calling them to verify that they were not the board members. I will repeat that the person that supposedly signed the document, paid the $100. registration fee, etc. was "Peter Wells of 408 Middle Hancock Rd., Petersborough, NH 03458" and when I called him he said that not only had he never signed a letter like that, but he had never heard of the Greater New Hampshire Linux User's Group. That alone should be enough for the state to cancel the registration. Interestingnow that I go back to Ted's original message to try and get the original documents to come up, I get this message from the New Hampshire Corporate Division Website: Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01a8' Object required: '[object]' /corporate/soskb/Corp.asp, line 41 If I wanted to go the "paranoid" route, it seems that the webmaster of the State of New Hampshire is involved in this. md -- Jon "maddog" Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
Hans Reisler (Was "GNHLUG Launders Money?")
I was going to use "Hitler" as the subject line, but that was a little too strong for this particular thread, so I will just use poor Han's name instead. Folks, I really do not want to spend our time and energy finding out or even guessing why this person incorporated GNHLUG and is carrying on this fraud. That is the State's concern, and they have more time and money than we do (well, time anyway). I just want the state to recognize that the current registration is bogus, to assign us the name and a new business ID, and to let us get on with our lives. So just like I did not appreciate the wild speculation on Han's personal life, let's keep the speculation as to what is going on with GNHLUG's registration to "Just the facts". Ashlyn Lembree has kindly agreed to get her student, Jason Tuttle, to look into this for us. They are in Concord, just a couple of blocks from the Capital building. And since Jason is studying Intellectual Property and Transaction Law, this is right up his alley. Ashlyn also asked Rob Lembree (who was a chair of GNHLUG at that time) if he had heard of any of the people on the list, and he said "no". md -- Jon "maddog" Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
GNHLUG Launders Money?
Greetings, As this investigation builds, the list of possible explanations for the incorporation shrinks rapidly toward zero. Let me add a way-out, paranoid possibility. I wonder if there is a rather active bank account somewhere in the name of GNHLUG. It might serve for money laundering or tax evasion. (Wow, this is getting exciting!) The bank might check that it is a valid NH corporation, but no further. The name and address on the account need not be those on the incorporation papers. Who would check? Not that I have any direct experience with such things... Another route to explore is taxes. Don't corporations have to file tax forms, whether or not they make a profit? Is the federal tax filing public information? Perhaps it must be if the incorporation were "non-profit". Jim Kuzdrall ___ gnhlug-org mailing list gnhlug-org@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org/
