Re: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15.

2006-08-07 Thread Willie Walker
Hi All:

I was finally able to do some testing with this.  I'll confirm that none
of these are Orca bugs.  We do care, however, about the overall
accessibility of the platform.  So, we'll dig into these problems more
and follow up with the appropriate teams.

  1.  Focus in gaim seems to be messed up.  I was able to create one account, 
  a freenode irc account.  But now, after doing that, I can never seem to 
  bring focus back to the main buddy list window, as for whatever reason, it 
  doesn't seem to appear in the alt tab order.

My experiences show that GAIM will come up without the buddy list and
you need to press the gaim icon in the panel to show it.  I've tried
various ways to get to the icon from the keyboard, but I cannot seem to
do so (BAD for people who cannot use the mouse).  So...I resorted to
clicking on it, which brings up a menu allowing me to show the buddy
list.

Once I was able to make the buddy list visible, I found that Orca seemed
to do just fine with it.

Note that this seems to be only with GAIM 2.0.0beta versus GAIM 1.5.1.

  2.  Very strange things are happening in gnome terminal.  Orca tracks live 
  events well enough, but if I attempt to use flat review, it's all over the 
  place.  The read current line command seems to start at the top of the 
  window, rather than at the last location of the cursor.  Another oddity is 
  that not all of the window is accessible via flat review.  in other words, 
  if my screen fills up with data, flat review stops before actually reaching 
  the last line on the screen.

I found that something broke with gnome-terminal's implementation of
getTextAtOffset: it's giving us very wrong and very incorrect values for
GNOME 2.15.90 versus GNOME 2.14.  As such, it's difficult to know where
text is on the screen as well as getting the text for the line where the
cursor is.  We will dig into this more this week and file a bug with the
appropriate component (gnome-terminal, vte, ...) when we learn more.

  3.  Open office writer is completely inaccessible.  Orca won't even read 
  the 
  menu bar or the help dialog.  If I attempt flat review, all I get is 
  panel.

I dug into this some more, and there appears to be some binary
incompatibility between the AT-SPI implementation used by OOo and what
is in GNOME 2.15.90.  We've brought this to the OOo team's attention and
will be following up more with them this week.  Note that this may or
may not be an OOo problem (e.g., it could be an inadvertent AT-SPI
incompatibility).

Thanks!

Will


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Re: Serious accessibility issue in Gnome 2.15.

2006-08-07 Thread Calum Benson

On 7 Aug 2006, at 17:06, Willie Walker wrote:


 My experiences show that GAIM will come up without the buddy list and
 you need to press the gaim icon in the panel to show it.  I've tried
 various ways to get to the icon from the keyboard, but I cannot  
 seem to
 do so (BAD for people who cannot use the mouse).

A long-standing bug:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103223

Do you have GAIM set up to start up in Away mode, by any chance?   
That will cause GAIM to start with the buddy list hidden IIRC.

Cheeri,
Calum.

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Re: setting up dectalk

2006-08-07 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi, Michael.
After extracting the Dectalk runtime files cd to the Dectalk directory 
and do a
./install
which will ask you for your product ID. Also you need to edit the *.sh 
files to make sure everything is going to /usr in Ubuntu.
As for making Orca recognize Dectalk go to the Gnome ftp site and 
download the source for gnome-speech, and compile it.
As for the UK Dectalk as you have baughten the US version that is the 
only Dectalk you will get. For multilingual Dectalk you need to buy the 
Multilingual version. Fonix can help you find out which version you 
would need for UK English.



MICHAEL WEAVER wrote:
 When I have uncompressed the Linux Runtime file for the software 
 Dectalk, what do I need to do after that or is there a text file or 
 something giving directions as to how to build it so it is recognised by 
 my Linux distro?
 Also does the US Dectalk Software Synthesiser come with both US and UK 
 English by default or do you have to somehow have to download a separate 
 module?

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OSX Leopard a11y sneak peek

2006-08-07 Thread Calum Benson
Might be of interest to some:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/accessibility.html

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Gnopernicus, brltty and debian

2006-08-07 Thread Tom Masterson
I am using the unstable version of Debian and kernel version 2.6, brltty 
3.7.2-3.1 and gnopernicus 1.0.5-1.
I am getting no response from the braille display when I type startx other 
than screen in not in text mode.  The braille display is an Alva abt34d 
which works fine with brltty at the console.  Any ideas of what might be 
wrong and how to solve it?  I followed the instructions on the brltty site 
for setting up gnome.

Tom Masterson
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