Re: Upadated translation files need to be committed (ps)

[Zabeeh Khan]

I think it doesn't matter that much. As I am really busy nowadays, I
am not sure if I would find time for that. Can you please commit them
like that? I think we have committed many files even before without
any change in the header.

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State of Farsi Gnome translation

[Refdoc]

Hi,

I am Peter von Kaehne, a developer in CrossWire Bible Society (open
source cross platform Bible software project) and Farsi translator of
Xiphos (formerly GnomeSword - a Gnome/GTK based frontend to Crosswire's
offerings).

Xiphos relies in parts on translations coming from central Gnome related
libraries.

Over the last year or so I have noticed that these centrally provided
translations suffering quite a bit under bit-rot and this is now
affecting us as a project quite badly as central items like "quit" etc
are not anymore covered.

Looking at the translation statistics

http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/fa/gnome-2-28/ui/

and

http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/fa

it is clear that the current state is not good and that there is steady
decline over the last couple of years.

Looking at the steadiness of the decline, the large number of fuzzy
terms, the list of open bugs, the number of patches submitted (sometimes
complete new po files), the lack of review, the number of pings by Andre
Klapper  and the date of most of these (nearly all in 2008) I am not
sure if there is any action at the moment.

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=l10n&component=Persian%20[fa]&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED

I have tried several times in 2008 and 2009 to contact Roozbeh directly
(never yet on this mailing list) about matters of Farsi translation,
lists of approved words etc but got no response. I am not even anymore
sure that the email addresses publicly listed are those which are
currently still active.

I most certainly do not want to kickstart a new round of the rather
upsetting thread from last year on this very subject

http://www.mail-archive.com/gnome-i18n@gnome.org/msg09525.html

, but am wondering what I can do about the matter.

Personally I would like to get the various underlying libraries updated.
I believe that the even going through the "fuzzy" translations and
"unfuzzying" things which are clear cut, would improve the state of
affairs enormously.

I am not even remotely as accomplished a translator as many contributors
here in the past, but in the light of current and lasting inactivity I
would rather step up to the mark and deliver something potentially
incomplete and buggy, then leaving things as they are right now. My
personal experience with these matters is that producing
something/anything in such sensitive areas as translations is often
enough to get others, better qualified but less motivated into action.
The embarassement of buggy translations is just too big to keep shtum :-)

So, what is it I am asking for?

I would like to get direct write access to the translations for the
underlying libraries. I intend to limit myself to the matters most
concerning to my own projects and to refrain from doing anything
controversial. I most certainly would not touch the stuff causing so
much aggro last year. I am willing to work closely under some sort of
guidance/mentoring scheme/coordinator/whatever. I would also relinquish
my write access immediately once it becomes obvious that I can not keep
up with the relevant commitment. As I am an unknown here on Gnome I can
understand if this is asking for too much, but I do ask you to consider
this please anyway, in the light of the obviuous decline of Farsi Gnome.

If Roozbeh re-emerges and starts doing things (now or later) I would
obviously immediately cease working independently and submit to his
guidance in things (or indeed withdraw completely) as he is a much much
better translator that I can ever hope to be.

Karl Kleinpaste, the lead developer from Xiphos (k...@kleinpaste.org)
can provide a reference for me in terms of my working practices,
willingness to work in a team and subject to authority etc. Any passing
Iranian can obviously have a look at xiphos and see if they are deeply
dissatisfied with its translation into Farsi.

yours

Peter




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I'd like to become Committer for Esperanto team

[Jacob Nordfalk]

Dear list,

Im coordinator and now I'd like to become Committer on behalf of
http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/eo

The old comitter, Guillaume Savaton ,
has left long time ago.
More or less nothing has been comitted the last 6 months, and especially I'd
like to add the Esperanto sound files I posted at
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580130 soon

Thanks,
Jacob Nordfalk


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Re: I'd like to become Committer for Esperanto team

[Claude Paroz]

Le lundi 10 août 2009 à 12:40 +0200, Jacob Nordfalk a écrit :
> Dear list,
> 
> Im coordinator and now I'd like to become Committer on behalf of
> http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/eo
> 
> The old comitter, Guillaume Savaton, has left long time ago.
> More or less nothing has been comitted the last 6 months, and
> especially I'd like to add the Esperanto sound files I posted at
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580130 soon
> 
> Thanks,
> Jacob Nordfalk
> 
Please read http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/RequestingAnAccount

Claude

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Re: I'd like to become Committer for Esperanto team

[Christian Rose]

Please read and follow all the instructions on
http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/RequestingAnAccount. If
you're the coordinator please use the manual process.


Christian




2009/8/10, Jacob Nordfalk :
> Dear list,
>
> Im coordinator and now I'd like to become Committer on behalf of
> http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/eo
>
> The old comitter, Guillaume Savaton ,
> has left long time ago.
> More or less nothing has been comitted the last 6 months, and especially I'd
> like to add the Esperanto sound files I posted at
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580130 soon
>
> Thanks,
> Jacob Nordfalk
>
>
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Re: State of Farsi Gnome translation

[Refdoc]

Seeing the response on the related subject in the Esperanto thread, I
may have been presumptuous to request write access, but I would like to
see some way of resolving this deadlock.

Any suggestions welcome.

Thanks!

Peter



Refdoc wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am Peter von Kaehne, a developer in CrossWire Bible Society (open
> source cross platform Bible software project) and Farsi translator of
> Xiphos (formerly GnomeSword - a Gnome/GTK based frontend to Crosswire's
> offerings).
> 
> Xiphos relies in parts on translations coming from central Gnome related
> libraries.
> 
> Over the last year or so I have noticed that these centrally provided
> translations suffering quite a bit under bit-rot and this is now
> affecting us as a project quite badly as central items like "quit" etc
> are not anymore covered.
> 
> Looking at the translation statistics
> 
> http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/fa/gnome-2-28/ui/
> 
> and
> 
> http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/fa
> 
> it is clear that the current state is not good and that there is steady
> decline over the last couple of years.
> 
> Looking at the steadiness of the decline, the large number of fuzzy
> terms, the list of open bugs, the number of patches submitted (sometimes
> complete new po files), the lack of review, the number of pings by Andre
> Klapper  and the date of most of these (nearly all in 2008) I am not
> sure if there is any action at the moment.
> 
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=l10n&component=Persian%20[fa]&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED
> 
> I have tried several times in 2008 and 2009 to contact Roozbeh directly
> (never yet on this mailing list) about matters of Farsi translation,
> lists of approved words etc but got no response. I am not even anymore
> sure that the email addresses publicly listed are those which are
> currently still active.
> 
> I most certainly do not want to kickstart a new round of the rather
> upsetting thread from last year on this very subject
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/gnome-i18n@gnome.org/msg09525.html
> 
> , but am wondering what I can do about the matter.
> 
> Personally I would like to get the various underlying libraries updated.
> I believe that the even going through the "fuzzy" translations and
> "unfuzzying" things which are clear cut, would improve the state of
> affairs enormously.
> 
> I am not even remotely as accomplished a translator as many contributors
> here in the past, but in the light of current and lasting inactivity I
> would rather step up to the mark and deliver something potentially
> incomplete and buggy, then leaving things as they are right now. My
> personal experience with these matters is that producing
> something/anything in such sensitive areas as translations is often
> enough to get others, better qualified but less motivated into action.
> The embarassement of buggy translations is just too big to keep shtum :-)
> 
> So, what is it I am asking for?
> 
> I would like to get direct write access to the translations for the
> underlying libraries. I intend to limit myself to the matters most
> concerning to my own projects and to refrain from doing anything
> controversial. I most certainly would not touch the stuff causing so
> much aggro last year. I am willing to work closely under some sort of
> guidance/mentoring scheme/coordinator/whatever. I would also relinquish
> my write access immediately once it becomes obvious that I can not keep
> up with the relevant commitment. As I am an unknown here on Gnome I can
> understand if this is asking for too much, but I do ask you to consider
> this please anyway, in the light of the obviuous decline of Farsi Gnome.
> 
> If Roozbeh re-emerges and starts doing things (now or later) I would
> obviously immediately cease working independently and submit to his
> guidance in things (or indeed withdraw completely) as he is a much much
> better translator that I can ever hope to be.
> 
> Karl Kleinpaste, the lead developer from Xiphos (k...@kleinpaste.org)
> can provide a reference for me in terms of my working practices,
> willingness to work in a team and subject to authority etc. Any passing
> Iranian can obviously have a look at xiphos and see if they are deeply
> dissatisfied with its translation into Farsi.
> 
> yours
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
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Commit updated files galician

[Antón Méixome]

Hi, I'am Antón Méixome, reviewer for galician team.

I have translated/updated the translations for the following modules and have 
attached the .po files to their pages. My team's coordinator has not account to 
git. Can somebody commit?

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/vinagre/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/vinagre/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-disk-utility/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-bluetooth/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-settings-daemon/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/mousetweaks/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-control-center/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gvfs/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/glib/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/cheese/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-power-manager/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/dasher/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/hamster-applet/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/tomboy/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/evince/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-media/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-doc-utils/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gdm/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-user-share/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-utils/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/totem/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/empathy/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/epiphany/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/evolution/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-netstatus/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-system-tools/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/orca/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtk+/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/eog/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/yelp/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/file-roller/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-games/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-nettool/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-session/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtkhtml/master/po/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtk+/master/po-properties/gl
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-applets/master/po/gl
...



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Re: State of Farsi Gnome translation

[Christian Rose]

On 8/10/09, Refdoc  wrote:
>  Refdoc wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > I am Peter von Kaehne, a developer in CrossWire Bible Society (open
>  > source cross platform Bible software project) and Farsi translator of
>  > Xiphos (formerly GnomeSword - a Gnome/GTK based frontend to Crosswire's
>  > offerings).
>  >
>  > Xiphos relies in parts on translations coming from central Gnome related
>  > libraries.
>  >
>  > Over the last year or so I have noticed that these centrally provided
>  > translations suffering quite a bit under bit-rot and this is now
>  > affecting us as a project quite badly as central items like "quit" etc
>  > are not anymore covered.
>  >
>  > Looking at the translation statistics
>  >
>  > http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/fa/gnome-2-28/ui/
>  >
>  > and
>  >
>  > http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/fa
>  >
>  > it is clear that the current state is not good and that there is steady
>  > decline over the last couple of years.
>  >
>  > Looking at the steadiness of the decline, the large number of fuzzy
>  > terms, the list of open bugs, the number of patches submitted (sometimes
>  > complete new po files), the lack of review, the number of pings by Andre
>  > Klapper  and the date of most of these (nearly all in 2008) I am not
>  > sure if there is any action at the moment.
>  >
>  > 
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=l10n&component=Persian%20[fa]&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED
>  >
>  > I have tried several times in 2008 and 2009 to contact Roozbeh directly
>  > (never yet on this mailing list) about matters of Farsi translation,
>  > lists of approved words etc but got no response. I am not even anymore
>  > sure that the email addresses publicly listed are those which are
>  > currently still active.
>  >
>  > I most certainly do not want to kickstart a new round of the rather
>  > upsetting thread from last year on this very subject
>  >
>  > http://www.mail-archive.com/gnome-i18n@gnome.org/msg09525.html
>  >
>  > , but am wondering what I can do about the matter.
>  >
>  > Personally I would like to get the various underlying libraries updated.
>  > I believe that the even going through the "fuzzy" translations and
>  > "unfuzzying" things which are clear cut, would improve the state of
>  > affairs enormously.
>  >
>  > I am not even remotely as accomplished a translator as many contributors
>  > here in the past, but in the light of current and lasting inactivity I
>  > would rather step up to the mark and deliver something potentially
>  > incomplete and buggy, then leaving things as they are right now. My
>  > personal experience with these matters is that producing
>  > something/anything in such sensitive areas as translations is often
>  > enough to get others, better qualified but less motivated into action.
>  > The embarassement of buggy translations is just too big to keep shtum :-)
>  >
>  > So, what is it I am asking for?
>  >
>  > I would like to get direct write access to the translations for the
>  > underlying libraries. I intend to limit myself to the matters most
>  > concerning to my own projects and to refrain from doing anything
>  > controversial. I most certainly would not touch the stuff causing so
>  > much aggro last year. I am willing to work closely under some sort of
>  > guidance/mentoring scheme/coordinator/whatever. I would also relinquish
>  > my write access immediately once it becomes obvious that I can not keep
>  > up with the relevant commitment. As I am an unknown here on Gnome I can
>  > understand if this is asking for too much, but I do ask you to consider
>  > this please anyway, in the light of the obviuous decline of Farsi Gnome.
>  >
>  > If Roozbeh re-emerges and starts doing things (now or later) I would
>  > obviously immediately cease working independently and submit to his
>  > guidance in things (or indeed withdraw completely) as he is a much much
>  > better translator that I can ever hope to be.
>  >
>  > Karl Kleinpaste, the lead developer from Xiphos (k...@kleinpaste.org)
>  > can provide a reference for me in terms of my working practices,
>  > willingness to work in a team and subject to authority etc. Any passing
>  > Iranian can obviously have a look at xiphos and see if they are deeply
>  > dissatisfied with its translation into Farsi.
>  >
>  > yours
>  >
>  > Peter
>
> Seeing the response on the related subject in the Esperanto thread, I
>  may have been presumptuous to request write access, but I would like to
>  see some way of resolving this deadlock.
>
>  Any suggestions welcome.
>
>  Thanks!
>
>  Peter

The coordinatorship issue must be resolved first. Only then accounts
can be created.

Providing different "groups" with perhaps different policies or
agendas different accounts and having a fight in the VCS is *not* the
way to solve a team problem. That's why we have a strict policy that
the language team coordinator must approve of new accounts. If that
does not work, 

String change in vinagre

[Jonh Wendell]

Hi, folks.

Just added a new string in vinagre, while fixing bug 589104:

"Open vinagre in fullscreen mode"

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Re: Application names

[Christian Rose]

On 8/10/09, William Jon McCann  wrote:
>  On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:
[...]
>  > Two questions:
>  >
>  >  + unless I missed something, Colin's patch is for gnome-panel only.
>  >   What about "Open With", and all the other places where we display the
>  >   applications?
>
> An excellent point.  And we should probably consider each of these
>  individually.  It is a little strange that we are designing FullName
>  proposal around the implementation details of gnome-panel.  There are
>  at least two cases for open with.  We have menu entries in context
>  menus on files and we have the full "Open With" dialog.  My thinking
>  currently is that "open with" menu should simply use the Name.  Since:
>   * The default handler is already set and doesn't need to be discovered
>   * If you are looking for a specific app you know the name
>   * We don't show the comment either (which is really essential for
>  discovery) since we assume you recognize the name already
>   * If you don't find it there you can go into the dialog for for discovery
>
>  The "Open With" dialog is another story and has a number of design
>  problems.  Won't go into those here.
>
>  Technically, if we follow the logic of FullName (which is really just
>  the gnome-panel name) we should also add a OpenWithLabel to the
>  desktop file or have translatable "actions" since the following is
>  also wrong:
>  g_strdup_printf (_("Open with %s"), g_app_info_get_name (application));
>
>  Right?  Unless we don't consider names to be translated or require
>  articles or the resulting string to be a proper sentence.

This is an interesting point. Yes, an OpenWithLabel is probably
actually needed for translation reasons. Another example, using
Swedish:

"Open with" -> "Öppna med"

but

Wrong: "Öppna med Webbläsaren Epiphany"
Correct: "Öppna med webbläsaren Epiphany"

The reason is that the capitalization rules in Swedish (and this is
true for many languages) are rather strict compared to English; only
the beginning of sentences and proper names must ever be capitalized.
Concepts like book title capitalization does not exist in Swedish and
would be considered a grammatical error.

But this is of course a whole other issue.


>  >  + translators have stated that it's wrong to do "Name - GenericName"
>  >   programmatically. So, hrm, why would we not listen to them?
>
> That hasn't been established.  In the xdg-list thread one of the last
>  comments from Christian Rose said this:
>  "Webbläsare - Epiphany" or "Webbläsare (Epiphany)" is not wrong per
>  se, it's just bad language style."

I was using Swedish as an example as it is my mother tongue. And your
question was about my specific example, using Swedish. That does not
imply that this issue may have, and probably has, other implications
on some of the world's other several thousand languages! Please do not
generalize. In my experience, it is better not to assume too much
about other languages and their conformity with English.


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Re: State of Farsi Gnome translation

[Peter von Kaehne]

Just to be clear, I am not intending to form or represent a different 
group, nor do I want to remove/act against/fight for coordinatorship. I 
have read that thread last year and feel appalled by it and the approach 
taken by the complainant.



I am here essentially to resolve our problem at Xiphos (+ help the 
overall effort along). Roozbeh is a vastly superior translator, software 
engineer (which I am not) and someone I respect highly from different 
and unrelated matters. If this thread wakes him up and allows me to 
address my problems in Xiphos then all is fine.



But if he has left/become inactive then I am looking for a resolution of 
some sort + look to you for guidance in this matter.



Peter




Christian Rose wrote:


On 8/10/09, Refdoc  wrote:
  

 Refdoc wrote:
 > Hi,
 >
 > I am Peter von Kaehne, a developer in CrossWire Bible Society (open
 > source cross platform Bible software project) and Farsi translator of
 > Xiphos (formerly GnomeSword - a Gnome/GTK based frontend to Crosswire's
 > offerings).
 >
 > Xiphos relies in parts on translations coming from central Gnome related
 > libraries.
 >
 > Over the last year or so I have noticed that these centrally provided
 > translations suffering quite a bit under bit-rot and this is now
 > affecting us as a project quite badly as central items like "quit" etc
 > are not anymore covered.
 >
 > Looking at the translation statistics
 >
 > http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/fa/gnome-2-28/ui/
 >
 > and
 >
 > http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/fa
 >
 > it is clear that the current state is not good and that there is steady
 > decline over the last couple of years.
 >
 > Looking at the steadiness of the decline, the large number of fuzzy
 > terms, the list of open bugs, the number of patches submitted (sometimes
 > complete new po files), the lack of review, the number of pings by Andre
 > Klapper  and the date of most of these (nearly all in 2008) I am not
 > sure if there is any action at the moment.
 >
 > 
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=l10n&component=Persian%20[fa]&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED
 >
 > I have tried several times in 2008 and 2009 to contact Roozbeh directly
 > (never yet on this mailing list) about matters of Farsi translation,
 > lists of approved words etc but got no response. I am not even anymore
 > sure that the email addresses publicly listed are those which are
 > currently still active.
 >
 > I most certainly do not want to kickstart a new round of the rather
 > upsetting thread from last year on this very subject
 >
 > http://www.mail-archive.com/gnome-i18n@gnome.org/msg09525.html
 >
 > , but am wondering what I can do about the matter.
 >
 > Personally I would like to get the various underlying libraries updated.
 > I believe that the even going through the "fuzzy" translations and
 > "unfuzzying" things which are clear cut, would improve the state of
 > affairs enormously.
 >
 > I am not even remotely as accomplished a translator as many contributors
 > here in the past, but in the light of current and lasting inactivity I
 > would rather step up to the mark and deliver something potentially
 > incomplete and buggy, then leaving things as they are right now. My
 > personal experience with these matters is that producing
 > something/anything in such sensitive areas as translations is often
 > enough to get others, better qualified but less motivated into action.
 > The embarassement of buggy translations is just too big to keep shtum :-)
 >
 > So, what is it I am asking for?
 >
 > I would like to get direct write access to the translations for the
 > underlying libraries. I intend to limit myself to the matters most
 > concerning to my own projects and to refrain from doing anything
 > controversial. I most certainly would not touch the stuff causing so
 > much aggro last year. I am willing to work closely under some sort of
 > guidance/mentoring scheme/coordinator/whatever. I would also relinquish
 > my write access immediately once it becomes obvious that I can not keep
 > up with the relevant commitment. As I am an unknown here on Gnome I can
 > understand if this is asking for too much, but I do ask you to consider
 > this please anyway, in the light of the obviuous decline of Farsi Gnome.
 >
 > If Roozbeh re-emerges and starts doing things (now or later) I would
 > obviously immediately cease working independently and submit to his
 > guidance in things (or indeed withdraw completely) as he is a much much
 > better translator that I can ever hope to be.
 >
 > Karl Kleinpaste, the lead developer from Xiphos (k...@kleinpaste.org)
 > can provide a reference for me in terms of my working practices,
 > willingness to work in a team and subject to authority etc. Any passing
 > Iranian can obviously have a look at xiphos and see if they are deeply
 > dissatisfied with its translation into Farsi.
 >
 > yours
 >
 > Peter

Seeing the response on the related subject in the E

Re: Commit updated files galician

[Gil Forcada]

Hi Antón,

I have gone through all files and branches and I think I pushed
everything (let us know if I missed any file).

Note that lots of files weren't 100% translated so some work is still to
be done.

Keep up the good work ;)

Cheers,

El dl 10 de 08 de 2009 a les 15:07 +0200, en/na Antón Méixome va
escriure:
> Hi, I'am Antón Méixome, reviewer for galician team.
> 
> I have translated/updated the translations for the following modules and have 
> attached the .po files to their pages. My team's coordinator has not account 
> to git. Can somebody commit?
> 
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/vinagre/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/vinagre/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-disk-utility/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-bluetooth/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-settings-daemon/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/mousetweaks/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-control-center/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gvfs/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/glib/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/cheese/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-power-manager/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/dasher/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/hamster-applet/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/tomboy/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/evince/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-media/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-doc-utils/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gdm/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-user-share/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-utils/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/totem/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/empathy/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/epiphany/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/evolution/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-netstatus/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-system-tools/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/orca/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtk+/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/eog/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/yelp/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/file-roller/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-games/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-nettool/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-session/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtkhtml/master/po/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtk+/master/po-properties/gl
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-applets/master/po/gl
> ...
> 
> 
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Re: String additions to 'sabayon.master'

[Federico Mena Quintero]

On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 13:46 +0200, Claude Paroz wrote:

> We could also consider that GNOME 2.26 used the gnome-2-24 sabayon
> branch, regarding strings. Does it make sense?

This is a great idea; thanks, Claude!  Users of GNOME 2.26 indeed are
using sabayon-2.24.x.  I'll branch 2.26 off of the 2.24 branch.

  Federico

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Re: String additions to 'sabayon.master'

[Federico Mena Quintero]

On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 12:39 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote:

> This is a great idea; thanks, Claude!  Users of GNOME 2.26 indeed are
> using sabayon-2.24.x.  I'll branch 2.26 off of the 2.24 branch.

Done.  There is now a gnome-2-26 branch in Sabayon, based on the
gnome-2-24 branch.

  Federico

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Re: String additions to 'sabayon.master'

[Claude Paroz]

Le lundi 10 août 2009 à 12:39 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero a écrit :
> On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 13:46 +0200, Claude Paroz wrote:
> 
> > We could also consider that GNOME 2.26 used the gnome-2-24 sabayon
> > branch, regarding strings. Does it make sense?
> 
> This is a great idea; thanks, Claude!  Users of GNOME 2.26 indeed are
> using sabayon-2.24.x.  I'll branch 2.26 off of the 2.24 branch.

For us, it's no use branching. We can simply link the 2.26 release to
the 2.24 branch of Sabayon.

Claude

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Re: I'd like to become Committer for Esperanto team

[Jacob Nordfalk]

2009/8/10 Christian Rose 

> Please read and follow all the instructions on
> http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/RequestingAnAccount. If
> you're the coordinator please use the manual process.
>

Thanks.

I understand that I should contribute some more, but actually Im only the
technician here and in time "Kim Ribeiro"  will
be the coordinator of the effort.

So, apart from the quote big GCompris work (
http://l10n.gnome.org/media/upload/gcompris-master-po-eo-33662.merged.po is
206433 bytes so I suppose its more or less 100kb Esperanto text, plus voice
recordings as found on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580130), I
am not planning going to translate a lot myself, as Im involved in other
Open Source projects (machine translation - see
http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Apertium-viewer,
http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/English_and_Esperanto, and maintainer of
JMagick - http://sourceforge.net/projects/jmagick/), plus work for living.


If someone would be so kind (Leftmost, would you?)  to commit the following
I will happily resign from getting an account.

http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gdm/master/po/eo
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gedit/master/po/eo
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gcompris/master/po/eo
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/tomboy/master/po/eo
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-applets/master/po/eo
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-panel/master/po/eo
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/banshee/master/po/eo
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580130



Otherwise I will apply via the manual process as Christian Rose suggested.


Thanks for your understanding.

Jacob



>
> Christian
>
>
>
>
> 2009/8/10, Jacob Nordfalk :
> > Dear list,
> >
> > Im coordinator and now I'd like to become Committer on behalf of
> > http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/eo
> >
> > The old comitter, Guillaume Savaton <
> http://l10n.gnome.org/users/gsavaton/>,
> > has left long time ago.
> > More or less nothing has been comitted the last 6 months, and especially
> I'd
> > like to add the Esperanto sound files I posted at
> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580130 soon
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jacob Nordfalk
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jacob Nordfalk
> > एस्पेरान्तो के हो?  http://www.esperanto.org.np/.
> > Memoraĵoj de KEF -. http://kef.saluton.dk/memorajoj/
> >
>
> --
> Skickat från min mobila enhet
>



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Re: State of Farsi Gnome translation

[Roozbeh Pournader]

Peter,

I don't think the problem is lack of activity from my side. The
problem is that almost all previous contributors who had experience
with Persian translaiton of GNOME have stopped contributing, so we
don't have any reviewers at the moment. Translation updates stay
there, and I can not convince anybody to review them. (BTW, as far as
I remember, some of the people contributing did not use the GNOME
glossary at all, and some of the open bugs does not wait an action
from a reviewer, but an update from the translator to match existing
GNOME style. It may only say that on one bug per translator, but
that's the story.)

I've never seen your Persian translations, but maybe you can help us
(and show your skills) by reviewing existing Persian translation bugs
and see if it's good Persian and if they match the current glossary
and style used in the existing translations. You know the open bugs. I
would appreciate that.

Alternatively, you can translate parts of GNOME that you care for, and
attach them to bugs, so someone can review them. (Considering the
present situation in Iran now, that may take a while. Anybody who may
volunteer his time to translate is doing something related to the
uprising, from translating news to translating privacy-related
software.)

Independently, I would gladly hand over the role of coordinator if
somebody with the necessary skills and experience agrees to step in. I
at least know two such people, but they seem to have left the project
too, like every other experienced translator/editor. Mine is a role I
accepted out of a necessity years ago, and I believe I have
overstayed. Just help recreate a community with a couple of active
reviewers who know techincal Persian well enough, and you've shown you
can do it.

Roozbeh

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
> Just to be clear, I am not intending to form or represent a different group,
> nor do I want to remove/act against/fight for coordinatorship. I have read
> that thread last year and feel appalled by it and the approach taken by the
> complainant.
>
>
> I am here essentially to resolve our problem at Xiphos (+ help the overall
> effort along). Roozbeh is a vastly superior translator, software engineer
> (which I am not) and someone I respect highly from different and unrelated
> matters. If this thread wakes him up and allows me to address my problems in
> Xiphos then all is fine.
>
>
> But if he has left/become inactive then I am looking for a resolution of
> some sort + look to you for guidance in this matter.
>
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> Christian Rose wrote:
>
>> On 8/10/09, Refdoc  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  Refdoc wrote:
>>>  > Hi,
>>>  >
>>>  > I am Peter von Kaehne, a developer in CrossWire Bible Society (open
>>>  > source cross platform Bible software project) and Farsi translator of
>>>  > Xiphos (formerly GnomeSword - a Gnome/GTK based frontend to
>>> Crosswire's
>>>  > offerings).
>>>  >
>>>  > Xiphos relies in parts on translations coming from central Gnome
>>> related
>>>  > libraries.
>>>  >
>>>  > Over the last year or so I have noticed that these centrally provided
>>>  > translations suffering quite a bit under bit-rot and this is now
>>>  > affecting us as a project quite badly as central items like "quit" etc
>>>  > are not anymore covered.
>>>  >
>>>  > Looking at the translation statistics
>>>  >
>>>  > http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/fa/gnome-2-28/ui/
>>>  >
>>>  > and
>>>  >
>>>  > http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/fa
>>>  >
>>>  > it is clear that the current state is not good and that there is
>>> steady
>>>  > decline over the last couple of years.
>>>  >
>>>  > Looking at the steadiness of the decline, the large number of fuzzy
>>>  > terms, the list of open bugs, the number of patches submitted
>>> (sometimes
>>>  > complete new po files), the lack of review, the number of pings by
>>> Andre
>>>  > Klapper  and the date of most of these (nearly all in 2008) I am not
>>>  > sure if there is any action at the moment.
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=l10n&component=Persian%20[fa]&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED
>>>  >
>>>  > I have tried several times in 2008 and 2009 to contact Roozbeh
>>> directly
>>>  > (never yet on this mailing list) about matters of Farsi translation,
>>>  > lists of approved words etc but got no response. I am not even anymore
>>>  > sure that the email addresses publicly listed are those which are
>>>  > currently still active.
>>>  >
>>>  > I most certainly do not want to kickstart a new round of the rather
>>>  > upsetting thread from last year on this very subject
>>>  >
>>>  > http://www.mail-archive.com/gnome-i18n@gnome.org/msg09525.html
>>>  >
>>>  > , but am wondering what I can do about the matter.
>>>  >
>>>  > Personally I would like to get the various underlying libraries
>>> updated.
>>>  > I believe that the even going through the "fuzzy" translations and
>>>  > "unfuzzying" things which a

Re: Application names

[Luca Ferretti]

Il giorno lun, 10/08/2009 alle 17.24 +0200, Christian Rose ha scritto:

> This is an interesting point. Yes, an OpenWithLabel is probably
> actually needed for translation reasons. Another example, using
> Swedish:
> 
> "Open with" -> "Öppna med"
> 
> but
> 
> Wrong: "Öppna med Webbläsaren Epiphany"
> Correct: "Öppna med webbläsaren Epiphany"
> 

Same for Italian, we workarounded this always using quote marks.

  original: Open with Text Editor
  Italian:  Apri con "Editor di testo"

PS However, about the original question and any subsequent issue, we are
still lacking feedback from "non European" languages, if I'm right. 


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New string in Orca

[Joanmarie Diggs]

Hi all.

Yesterday a critical Atk bug was fixed (bug #591105). Phew! As a result,
however, there is a new string which Orca users may come across.
Therefore, I'm afraid we have another new string:

  #. Translators: this is one of the text attribute values for the following
  #. text attributes: "wrap mode." It corresponds to GTK_WRAP_WORD_CHAR,
  #. defined in the Gtk documentation as "Wrap text, breaking lines in
  #. between words, or if that is not enough, also between graphemes."
  #. See:
  #. http://library.gnome.org/devel/atk/1.27/AtkText.html#AtkTextAttribute
  #. http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkTextTag.html#GtkWrapMode
  #.
  #: ../src/orca/text_attribute_names.py:443
  msgctxt "textattr"
  msgid "word char"
  msgstr ""

As always, we really appreciate all you do!

Thanks and take care.
--joanie

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