Re: String changes in gnome-backgrounds

2011-03-23 Thread F Wolff

Op Di, 2011-03-22 om 15:10 -0400 skryf William Jon McCann:
> Hi,
> 
> We have a few string changes in gnome-backgrounds that I should describe.
> 
> The commits were:
> 
> 1. 
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-backgrounds/commit/?id=41c743054269a4aa20aab2862258f4bc9e41b698
> 
> This removes a few strings and adds one to the nature directory:
> + <_name>Blue Marble
> The image is 
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-backgrounds/plain/nature/BlueMarbleWest.jpg
> 
> 2. 
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-backgrounds/commit/?id=2df2c346ca79fbc19e4f3437f635a2e213bc0e0d
> 
> This adds a new string for image:
> + <_name>Foot Fall
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-backgrounds/plain/nature/FootFall.png
> 
> 3. 
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-backgrounds/commit/?id=bc44163ca200e84835a317f614ca6dc4d516aab0
> 
> Adds a new string for image:
> + <_name>Sundown Dunes
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-backgrounds/plain/nature/SundownDunes.jpg
> 
> 4. 
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-backgrounds/commit/?id=0824a1480a9e0f3cc26ecf90607bc9f9bb19a3b7
> 
> Add 6 new strings for images:
> + <_name>Spaceflare
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-backgrounds/plain/nature/Spaceflare.jpg
> 
> + <_name>Spaceflare Nova
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-backgrounds/plain/nature/Spaceflare-nova.jpg
> 
> + <_name>Spaceflare Supernova
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-backgrounds/plain/nature/Spaceflare-supernova.jpg
> 
> + <_name>Terraform Blue
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-backgrounds/plain/nature/Terraform-blue.jpg
> 
> + <_name>Terraform Green
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-backgrounds/plain/nature/Terraform-green.jpg
> 
> + <_name>Terraform Orange
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-backgrounds/plain/nature/Terraform-orange.jpg
> 
> Please let me know if there are any questions.


Hi Jon

Thank you for the useful URLs! Can we please get these comments into the
files themselves? Check these ones for examples:
http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-backgrounds/tree/nature/gnome-nature.xml.in.in#n50

This way all future translators would be able to see these useful tips
during translation.

I find it unfortunate that we merely get a notification, and not a
string freeze break request (or did I miss it?). And this seemingly
after committing and releasing 2.91.92. Many languages just went from
100% to 47% complete - in other words, a pretty bad regression in user
experience.

Keep well
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Translation of update-manager in Ubuntu: Official GNOME app?

2011-03-23 Thread Åsmund Skjæveland
Short question:
Is the application “update-manager” (update manager for Ubuntu) an
official part of GNOME? It is not currently listed on damned-lies.
Should it be?

Tldr:
The program update-manager in Ubuntu is described in Launchpad as
“update-manager: GNOME application that manages apt updates”. Is this an
official part of GNOME, or does it just mean that this program is
intended for use with GNOME? We're trying to clean up Norwegian Nynorsk
translations for the next Ubuntu release, and want to synchronize Ubuntu
translations with upstream projects.

It seems Upstream for Update-manager is a separate project in Launchpad,
and not hosted on GNOME servers:
https://launchpad.net/update-manager

update-manager is not currently mentioned in damned-lies. Is this as it
should be?

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Re: Translation of update-manager in Ubuntu: Official GNOME app?

2011-03-23 Thread Andre Klapper
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 11:28 +0100, Åsmund Skjæveland wrote:
> Short question:
> Is the application “update-manager” (update manager for Ubuntu) an
> official part of GNOME?

No. GNOME uses packagekit (and packagekit-gnome).

>  It is not currently listed on damned-lies.
> Should it be?

No.

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Re: Translation of update-manager in Ubuntu: Official GNOME app?

2011-03-23 Thread Claude Paroz
Le mercredi 23 mars 2011 à 12:41 +0100, Andre Klapper a écrit :
> On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 11:28 +0100, Åsmund Skjæveland wrote:
> > Short question:
> > Is the application “update-manager” (update manager for Ubuntu) an
> > official part of GNOME?
> 
> No. GNOME uses packagekit (and packagekit-gnome).

The Ubuntu French translators maintain a list of packages specific to
Ubuntu, to be able to distinguish them from upstream GNOME modules:

http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/ubuntu-l10n-fr/natty

HTH,

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Re: Reduced po files on l10n.gnome.org

2011-03-23 Thread Alexander Shopov (Александър Шопов)
This breaks the XML API! Currently what it generates is not even XML!
http://live.gnome.org/DamnedLies
For example  wget http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/bg/gnome-3-0/xml
Regards:
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Re: Reduced po files on l10n.gnome.org

2011-03-23 Thread Claude Paroz
Le mercredi 23 mars 2011 à 13:59 +0200, Alexander_Shopov a écrit :
> This breaks the XML API! Currently what it generates is not even XML!
> http://live.gnome.org/DamnedLies
> For example  wget http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/bg/gnome-3-0/xml

Please fill a bug report (once bugzilla is up again):
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=damned-lies&component=general

Claude

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Re: Reduced po files on l10n.gnome.org

2011-03-23 Thread Claude Paroz
Le mercredi 23 mars 2011 à 13:07 +0100, Claude Paroz a écrit :
> Le mercredi 23 mars 2011 à 13:59 +0200, Alexander_Shopov a écrit :
> > This breaks the XML API! Currently what it generates is not even XML!
> > http://live.gnome.org/DamnedLies
> > For example  wget http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/bg/gnome-3-0/xml
> 
> Please fill a bug report (once bugzilla is up again):
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=damned-lies&component=general

Hopefully fixed now, before you had the opportunity to enter a bug
report :-)

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Re: String additions to 'gnome-shell.master'

2011-03-23 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi!

> While we are breaking the string freeze, we also missed the opportunity
> to add plurals to the third string above, as it seems to need. So we'll
> have to fuzzy this string again at some stage for translators to spend
> their time again on a very visible string. All the similar strings miss
> plural support as well:
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=644090

You are right here. Sorry for not catching this. I am really unhappy
about the number of string freeze requests going in but that one was one
of the more reasonable.

> Could this terminology change from "Shut down" to "Power off" seriously
> not wait? Considering that some users might now experience an incomplete
> translation even though their language teams worked after the freeze, is
> this kind of thing really worth it?

It was simply inconsitent so we should have reduced the number of
translated strings by one here, which is good.

Regards,
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Re: String changes in gnome-backgrounds

2011-03-23 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi Jon!

> > The commits were:

Sorry, this isn't the way to handle string freeze requests. You didn't
get any approval to change that strings. They don't really look release
critical to me either.

Please follow the official way for string freeze breaks. As F Wolff is
pointing out there should be translator comments on the strings and
there aren't.

We are already have major trouble in this release with tons of string
changes after hard code freeze (and not only after string freeze).

Regards,
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Re: String freeze break for gnome-packagekit

2011-03-23 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi!

> Also worth pointing out that the patches will reduce the overall
> number of translatable strings, since it consistently users 'Software
> Install' as the application name in all places, instead of several
> different names.

OK, took a look a the strings and those look good. However, the
translator comment that backed

g_option_context_set_summary (context, _("Package Name Installer"));
and
g_option_context_set_summary (context, _("Package File Installer"));

are no longer at the (first) position of these strings. In general this
strings don't really sound like a good summary to me. But I would at
least like to have the comments

/* TRANSLATORS: program name: installs a package (or packages) by name
*/
and
/* TRANSLATORS: program name: application to install a package to
provide a file */

back and updated. The new string "Software install" hardly needs a
comment while it has two different at the moment.

If you fix that, 1 of 2 from i18n.

Regards,
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Re: Translation of update-manager in Ubuntu: Official GNOME app?

2011-03-23 Thread Åsmund Skjæveland
Den 23/3/11 12.55, skreiv Claude Paroz:
> Le mercredi 23 mars 2011 à 12:41 +0100, Andre Klapper a écrit :
>> On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 11:28 +0100, Åsmund Skjæveland wrote:
>>> Short question:
>>> Is the application “update-manager” (update manager for Ubuntu) an
>>> official part of GNOME?
>>
>> No. GNOME uses packagekit (and packagekit-gnome).
> 
> The Ubuntu French translators maintain a list of packages specific to
> Ubuntu, to be able to distinguish them from upstream GNOME modules:
> 
> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/ubuntu-l10n-fr/natty
> 
> HTH,

Thank you. That's quite useful.

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Re: String freeze break for gnome-packagekit

2011-03-23 Thread Andre Klapper
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 13:08 -0400, Johannes Schmid wrote:
> If you fix that, 1 of 2 from i18n.
> Johannes

...and 2 of 2 from release-team, for a commit that fixes Johannes'
comments.

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Re: String changes in gnome-backgrounds

2011-03-23 Thread Christian Rose
2011/3/23 Johannes Schmid :
> Hi Jon!
>
>> > The commits were:
>
> Sorry, this isn't the way to handle string freeze requests. You didn't
> get any approval to change that strings. They don't really look release
> critical to me either.
>
> Please follow the official way for string freeze breaks. As F Wolff is
> pointing out there should be translator comments on the strings and
> there aren't.
>
> We are already have major trouble in this release with tons of string
> changes after hard code freeze (and not only after string freeze).
>
> Regards,
> Johannes

Fully agreeing with Johannes here, but want to stress that Release
Team should be informed of all important freeze breaks and cases when
freeze request procedure is not respected. I'm sure breaks against
hard code freeze like these are even more interesting to the Release
Team.

Release Team: Thread at
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2011-March/msg00222.html


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Re: String changes in gnome-backgrounds

2011-03-23 Thread Andre Klapper
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 18:56 +0100, Christian Rose wrote:
> Fully agreeing with Johannes here, but want to stress that Release
> Team should be informed of all important freeze breaks and cases when
> freeze request procedure is not respected. I'm sure breaks against
> hard code freeze like these 

For the records, these changes went in before hardcode freeze.

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String additions to 'gnome-control-center.master'

2011-03-23 Thread GNOME Status Pages
This is an automatic notification from status generation scripts on:
http://l10n.gnome.org.

There have been following string additions to module 
'gnome-control-center.master':

+ "Enable verbose mode"

Note that this doesn't directly indicate a string freeze break, but it
might be worth investigating.
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Re: A few control-center patches

2011-03-23 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 13:58 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Bastien Nocera  wrote:
> > Heya,
> >
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=645527
> > The first patch will port the sound panel's theme section to use
> > GSettings instead of GConf. This piece of code was somehow forgotten in
> > the process of porting the control-center to GSettings.
> >
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=645435
> > The second patch (the one that adds a new string), moves all the logging
> > infrastructure to be shared amongst panels. This makes
> > "gnome-control-center -v" work as expected, and be quiet by default.
> 
> Both patches look good to me, so +1 from me.
> The second one adds a translatable string, but it only shows up in
> --help output.

All three patches pushed now.

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Re: String changes in gnome-backgrounds

2011-03-23 Thread Christian Rose
2011/3/23 Andre Klapper :
> On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 18:56 +0100, Christian Rose wrote:
>> Fully agreeing with Johannes here, but want to stress that Release
>> Team should be informed of all important freeze breaks and cases when
>> freeze request procedure is not respected. I'm sure breaks against
>> hard code freeze like these
>
> For the records, these changes went in before hardcode freeze.

Ok, so it was only string and possibly UI freeze. But still?


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Re: String changes in gnome-backgrounds

2011-03-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Christian Rose  wrote:
> 2011/3/23 Johannes Schmid :

>
> Fully agreeing with Johannes here, but want to stress that Release
> Team should be informed of all important freeze breaks and cases when
> freeze request procedure is not respected. I'm sure breaks against
> hard code freeze like these are even more interesting to the Release
> Team.
>
> Release Team: Thread at
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2011-March/msg00222.html
>

>From my perspective as a release team member, the overarching goal is
to ship something that will get people excited about GNOME 3.
Considering that we cut down a lot on other 'tweakability' aspects,
having at least set of fresh backgrounds to go with the new background
panel is probably more important than following the processes to the
letter.
Yes, these strings should probably have translator comments, and yes,
having the backgrounds sorted out before all the freezes would be
nice. But for all practical purposes, these strings are _names_. The
have no functional role in the background panel. If having them not
translated is hugely upsetting to you, we can discuss shipping
nameless backgrounds, but I personally don't think that would be an
improvement.


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Re: String changes in gnome-backgrounds

2011-03-23 Thread Jorge González
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 21:15, Matthias Clasen
 wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Christian Rose  wrote:
>> 2011/3/23 Johannes Schmid :
>
>>
>> Fully agreeing with Johannes here, but want to stress that Release
>> Team should be informed of all important freeze breaks and cases when
>> freeze request procedure is not respected. I'm sure breaks against
>> hard code freeze like these are even more interesting to the Release
>> Team.
>>
>> Release Team: Thread at
>> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2011-March/msg00222.html
>>
>
> From my perspective as a release team member, the overarching goal is
> to ship something that will get people excited about GNOME 3.
> Considering that we cut down a lot on other 'tweakability' aspects,
> having at least set of fresh backgrounds to go with the new background
> panel is probably more important than following the processes to the
> letter.
> Yes, these strings should probably have translator comments, and yes,
> having the backgrounds sorted out before all the freezes would be
> nice. But for all practical purposes, these strings are _names_. The
> have no functional role in the background panel. If having them not
> translated is hugely upsetting to you, we can discuss shipping
> nameless backgrounds, but I personally don't think that would be an
> improvement.
Definitely we're gonna ship something that will get people excited, at
least to those who speak English, since I cannot remember that many
string freeze breaks, late updates, bla-bla-blah since many, many
releases ago. I doubt many teams are gonna make it, seriously. Just
check the stats.

Regards.
>
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Re: String changes in gnome-backgrounds

2011-03-23 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi Matthias!

> From my perspective as a release team member, the overarching goal is
> to ship something that will get people excited about GNOME 3.
> Considering that we cut down a lot on other 'tweakability' aspects,
> having at least set of fresh backgrounds to go with the new background
> panel is probably more important than following the processes to the
> letter. (...)

Be sure that the i18n team knows that GNOME 3.0 will not be a shiny
example of how releases and freezes should work and we really approved
many (all?) freeze break requests coming from gnome-shell and other core
modules. We really don't try to make everybody live more difficult than
it already is.

But I would still kindly ask everybody to follow the rules we have set
for years now and that have proven to be extremely useful. Nobody has
even mentioned that commit to be reverted as it is in for some time now
anyway and most likely translated anyway by some teams already. But by
asking you would have received valuable information that would have been
easy to integrate in the commit. Touching it now to add comments (which
will still hopefully happen after the release) is additional work for
everybody.

I hope you see my point and I am totally aware that some people are
working day & night to get GNOME3 out.

Regards,
Johannes

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Re: String changes in gnome-backgrounds

2011-03-23 Thread Andre Klapper
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 21:24 +0100, Jorge González wrote:
> Definitely we're gonna ship something that will get people excited, at
> least to those who speak English, since I cannot remember that many
> string freeze breaks, late updates, bla-bla-blah since many, many
> releases ago. I doubt many teams are gonna make it, seriously. Just
> check the stats.

Yes, we should all try to stick to rules.
However this release cycle is quite exceptional, and everybody is
working on his and her limits.
And while 100% translation coverage certainly looks nice, the User
Experience will be less "decreased" by an untranslated schema string or
English names for background pictures than by the technical or design
issues that don't get solved before the release, even if admittedly
attempting to solve them quite late.

Personally I expect 3.2 to be way smoother again, and I thank all the
translation teams for their awesome work so far to keep up with the pace
of last minute development as the remaining missing pieces for 3.0 get
fixed.

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Re: Code freeze break request for gnome-shell

2011-03-23 Thread Andre Klapper
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 21:55 +0100, Kjartan Maraas wrote:
> + text: _(""),

I don't think that line makes sense.

Apart from that see
http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/HandlingStringFreezes :
"The following types of changes do not need explicit approval, however
we would still very much like them to be announced so that we know about
them:
* Marking a message for translation that was previously not marked
for translation by accident."

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Re: Code freeze break request for gnome-shell

2011-03-23 Thread Andre Klapper
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 21:58 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 21:55 +0100, Kjartan Maraas wrote:
> > + text: _(""),
> 
> I don't think that line makes sense.

Actually it's even wrong:
http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/DevGuidelines/Don%27t%20mark%20empty%20strings%20for%20translation

> Apart from that see
> http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/HandlingStringFreezes :
> "The following types of changes do not need explicit approval, however
> we would still very much like them to be announced so that we know about
> them:
> * Marking a message for translation that was previously not marked
> for translation by accident."
> 
> andre

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Re: Code freeze break request for gnome-shell

2011-03-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Andre Klapper  wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 21:55 +0100, Kjartan Maraas wrote:
>> +                                             text: _(""),
>
> I don't think that line makes sense.

Yeah, that will bring in the translation metadata...

> Apart from that see
> http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/HandlingStringFreezes :
> "The following types of changes do not need explicit approval, however
> we would still very much like them to be announced so that we know about
> them:
>    * Marking a message for translation that was previously not marked
> for translation by accident."

Its still a code change, so +1/2 for that, assuming you unmark that
empty string.
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Re: Code freeze break request for gnome-shell

2011-03-23 Thread Owen Taylor
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 21:55 +0100, Kjartan Maraas wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> Found some strings that weren't marked for translation in the correct
> way in gnome-shell.
> 
> Patch attached...ok to commit?

OK with me to commit, except for the pointed out _('') which should be
changed to "" and not translated at all.

- Owen


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Re: Code freeze break request for gnome-shell

2011-03-23 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mercredi 23 mars 2011, à 17:06 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Andre Klapper  wrote:
> > On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 21:55 +0100, Kjartan Maraas wrote:
> >> +                                             text: _(""),
> >
> > I don't think that line makes sense.
> 
> Yeah, that will bring in the translation metadata...
> 
> > Apart from that see
> > http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/HandlingStringFreezes :
> > "The following types of changes do not need explicit approval, however
> > we would still very much like them to be announced so that we know about
> > them:
> >    * Marking a message for translation that was previously not marked
> > for translation by accident."
> 
> Its still a code change, so +1/2 for that, assuming you unmark that
> empty string.

Approval 2 of 2.

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Code freeze break request for gnome-shell

2011-03-23 Thread Kjartan Maraas
Hi.

Found some strings that weren't marked for translation in the correct
way in gnome-shell.

Patch attached...ok to commit?

Cheers
Kjartan
>From 509bc59467900eaf2b13d3d1e87c9e9b1687fe4c Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Kjartan Maraas 
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:49:24 +0100
Subject: [PATCH 1/1] Mark strings for translation in the right way

---
 js/ui/polkitAuthenticationAgent.js |   14 +++---
 1 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)

diff --git a/js/ui/polkitAuthenticationAgent.js b/js/ui/polkitAuthenticationAgent.js
index 22535b7..9c682cf 100644
--- a/js/ui/polkitAuthenticationAgent.js
+++ b/js/ui/polkitAuthenticationAgent.js
@@ -71,7 +71,7 @@ AuthenticationDialog.prototype = {
{ y_align: St.Align.START });
 
 this._subjectLabel = new St.Label({ style_class: 'polkit-dialog-headline',
-text: _('Authentication Required') });
+text: _("Authentication Required") });
 
 messageBox.add(this._subjectLabel,
{ y_fill:  false,
@@ -105,7 +105,7 @@ AuthenticationDialog.prototype = {
 let userIsRoot = false;
 if (userName == 'root') {
 userIsRoot = true;
-userRealName = _('Administrator');
+userRealName = _("Administrator");
 }
 
 if (userIsRoot) {
@@ -139,7 +139,7 @@ AuthenticationDialog.prototype = {
 this._passwordLabel = new St.Label(({ style_class: 'polkit-dialog-password-label' }));
 this._passwordBox.add(this._passwordLabel);
 this._passwordEntry = new St.Entry({ style_class: 'polkit-dialog-password-entry',
- text: _(''),
+ text: _(""),
  can_focus: true});
 this._passwordEntry.clutter_text.connect('activate', Lang.bind(this, this._onEntryActivate));
 this._passwordBox.add(this._passwordEntry,
@@ -169,11 +169,11 @@ AuthenticationDialog.prototype = {
 messageBox.add(this._nullMessageLabel);
 this._nullMessageLabel.show();
 
-this.setButtons([{ label: _('Cancel'),
+this.setButtons([{ label: _("Cancel"),
action: Lang.bind(this, this.cancel),
key:Clutter.Escape
  },
- { label:  _('Authenticate'),
+ { label:  _("Authenticate"),
action: Lang.bind(this, this._onAuthenticateButtonPressed)
  }]);
 
@@ -257,7 +257,7 @@ AuthenticationDialog.prototype = {
  * show "Sorry, that didn't work. Please try again."
  */
 if (!this._errorMessageLabel.visible && !this._wasDismissed) {
-this._errorMessageLabel.set_text(_('Sorry, that didn\'t work. Please try again.'));
+this._errorMessageLabel.set_text(_("Sorry, that didn\'t work. Please try again."));
 this._errorMessageLabel.show();
 this._infoMessageLabel.hide();
 this._nullMessageLabel.hide();
@@ -269,7 +269,7 @@ AuthenticationDialog.prototype = {
 _onSessionRequest: function(session, request, echo_on) {
 // Cheap localization trick
 if (request == 'Password:')
-this._passwordLabel.set_text(_('Password:'));
+this._passwordLabel.set_text(_("Password:"));
 else
 this._passwordLabel.set_text(request);
 
-- 
1.7.4.1

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string freeze break request for gnome-menus

2011-03-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=645061
discusses the need to show 'Administration tools' in the menus in
fallback mode somewhere.
The patch to address this will add a new Settings-System.directory
file containing the translated name 'Administration' for the new
submenu.

If this is considered undoable from a translation pov at this time, we
will have to lump all the administration tools into some other
submenu, I guess.
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