Fw: Re: New team for [Persian, Old (ca.600-400 B.C.)] ([peo])
--- On Sat, 5/31/08, Mazdak Kiani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Mazdak Kiani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: New team for [Persian, Old (ca.600-400 B.C.)] ([peo]) To: "Erdal Ronahi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 11:00 AM i want to start protolanguage dari translation with ISO 639-3 code as erdal said who is volunteer? Mazdak --- On Sat, 5/31/08, Erdal Ronahi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Erdal Ronahi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: New team for [Persian, Old (ca.600-400 B.C.)] ([peo]) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 9:23 AM Hi, 2008/5/31 Mazdak Kiani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I want to save old persian from persian domination. > > Current persian do not match our native language that is in use by a large > community and many people in pakistan, afghanestan, and tajikestan. Mazdak, do I understand you correctly that you want to translate GNOME into Dari as it is spoken in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Tajikistan? If so, it has ISO 639-3 code prs. http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=prs Maybe you call the language "old Persian" there, and that led to confusion. You provided the ISO code [peo], which belongs to a different language as a lot of people pointed out here. Best regards, Erdal ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: New team for [Persian, Old (ca.600-400 B.C.)] ([peo])
Hi, 2008/5/31 Mazdak Kiani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I want to save old persian from persian domination. > > Current persian do not match our native language that is in use by a large > community and many people in pakistan, afghanestan, and tajikestan. Mazdak, do I understand you correctly that you want to translate GNOME into Dari as it is spoken in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Tajikistan? If so, it has ISO 639-3 code prs. http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=prs Maybe you call the language "old Persian" there, and that led to confusion. You provided the ISO code [peo], which belongs to a different language as a lot of people pointed out here. Best regards, Erdal ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: New team for [Persian, Old (ca.600-400 B.C.)] ([peo])
Hi, I want to save old persian from persian domination. Current persian do not match our native language that is in use by a large community and many people in pakistan, afghanestan, and tajikestan. Regasrds, mk --- On Fri, 5/30/08, David Lodge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: David Lodge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: New team for [Persian, Old (ca.600-400 B.C.)] ([peo]) To: "Roozbeh Pournader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 11:16 AM Quoting Roozbeh Pournader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Are you sure? You want to translate GNOME into a language that has not > been spoken for 24 centuries and its whole corpus can fit in one book? There is precedence for deceased languages in Gnome - there is an Olde Englisc team (ang) (though nothing's been done for a few years) as there is for Latin. Both languages deader than the proverbial dodo. dave ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: New team for [Persian, Old (ca.600-400 B.C.)] ([peo])
David Lodge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Fri, 30 May 2008 07:16:24 -0400: > Quoting Roozbeh Pournader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Are you sure? You want to translate GNOME into a language that has not > > been spoken for 24 centuries and its whole corpus can fit in one book? > > There is precedence for deceased languages in Gnome - there is an Olde > Englisc team (ang) (though nothing's been done for a few years) as > there is for Latin. > > Both languages deader than the proverbial dodo. Oh man, I can't speak for Old English, but Latin's not dead. And I'm serious. It's living. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_Latin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastical_Latin Also, I'm not an Iranologist for sure, but I wouldn't compare Old Persian spoken in Ancient times to any language widely used during Medieval and/or Modern times. Best, Petr Kovar ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: New team for [Persian, Old (ca.600-400 B.C.)] ([peo])
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:16 AM, David Lodge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is precedence for deceased languages in Gnome - there is an Olde > Englisc team (ang) (though nothing's been done for a few years) as there is > for Latin. But I don't think Mazdak can really translate GNOME to the Old Persian language. He probably wants to translate to another language and is getting the English name/code wrong (also considering what he's been using for the native name). I really don't think one can even get to a glossary, let alone a localization. For Latin (and to some degree for Old English), we have a lot of text, about various subject matters, and theoretically that can be extended. For Old Persian, we just have inscriptions in stone, about conquests or why certain palaces were built. Written Old Persian has not ever been used for day-to-day material: for that, the Persian Empire used Aramaic (for "federal" issues, on papyrus) or the varius local mesopotemian languages written in traditional cuneiform (on clay). Apart from short phrases in modern grammar books about Old Persian, no new text in Old Persian was probably created in the last 24 centuries. And almost all of the Old Persian corpus is things like this: "I am Xerxes, the Great King, King of Kings, King of countries containing many kinds (of men), King in this great earth far and wide, son of King Darius, an Achaemenian. Proclaims Xerxes the King: By the favor of Ahuramazda I built this Gateway of All Nations. I built many other beautiful things in Persia. I built them and my father built them. All beautiful things we built, we have built by the favor of Ahuramazda." Roozbeh ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: New team for [Persian, Old (ca.600-400 B.C.)] ([peo])
Ysgrifennodd David Lodge: > There is precedence for deceased languages in Gnome - there is an Olde > Englisc team (ang) (though nothing's been done for a few years) as > there is for Latin. ISTR trying to contact the Latin contact at some point and not getting a response. I wonder whether I should formally attempt to take over the all-but-sinecure "team", such as it is, since I'm around, and after all I did get an A at Latin GCSE. :) T -- Thomas Thurman, tthurman at gnome, http://blogs.gnome.org/tthurman You are in a large room, with a passage to the south, a passage to the west, and a wall of broken rock to the east. There is a large "Y2" on a rock in the room's center. ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: New team for [Persian, Old (ca.600-400 B.C.)] ([peo])
Quoting Roozbeh Pournader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Are you sure? You want to translate GNOME into a language that has not > been spoken for 24 centuries and its whole corpus can fit in one book? There is precedence for deceased languages in Gnome - there is an Olde Englisc team (ang) (though nothing's been done for a few years) as there is for Latin. Both languages deader than the proverbial dodo. dave ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: New team for [Persian, Old (ca.600-400 B.C.)] ([peo])
On Jumee 10 Khordad 1387 01:32:03 Roozbeh Pournader wrote: > Are you sure? You want to translate GNOME into a language that has not > been spoken for 24 centuries and its whole corpus can fit in one book? > > BTW, you also got the native name wrong. You are using the Arabic > script, but Old Persian was never written in that script: It was > written in Old Persian cuneiforms (more information available at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Persian_cuneiform_script). If I > recall correctly, the scholars are not sure what the speakers of the > language called their own language. Are you sure you know the Old > Persian language? > > 2008/5/29 Mazdak Kiani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi all, > > > > I am Mazdak Kiani and am start a new team for my language. > > > > My email & bugzila account is [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > English name: Persian, Old (ca.600-400 B.C.) > > Native name: فارسی دری > > > > I am the new coordinator, my language is not in your team list: > > http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/ > > > > So please help me start my new translation team. > > > > Mazdak I can't understand what do you me by() Do you me ancient Persian or Dari accent? I am talking about this article(http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%81%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B3%DB%8C_%D8%AF%D8%B1%DB%8C) -- Mostafa Baloch http://www.mdaneshvar.ir signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: New team for [Persian, Old (ca.600-400 B.C.)] ([peo])
Are you sure? You want to translate GNOME into a language that has not been spoken for 24 centuries and its whole corpus can fit in one book? BTW, you also got the native name wrong. You are using the Arabic script, but Old Persian was never written in that script: It was written in Old Persian cuneiforms (more information available at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Persian_cuneiform_script). If I recall correctly, the scholars are not sure what the speakers of the language called their own language. Are you sure you know the Old Persian language? 2008/5/29 Mazdak Kiani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi all, > > I am Mazdak Kiani and am start a new team for my language. > > My email & bugzila account is [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > English name: Persian, Old (ca.600-400 B.C.) > Native name: فارسی دری > > I am the new coordinator, my language is not in your team list: > http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/ > > So please help me start my new translation team. > > Mazdak > > > > ___ > gnome-i18n mailing list > gnome-i18n@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n > > ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
New team for [Persian, Old (ca.600-400 B.C.)] ([peo])
Hi all, I am Mazdak Kiani and am start a new team for my language. My email & bugzila account is [EMAIL PROTECTED] English name: Persian, Old (ca.600-400 B.C.) Native name: فارسی دری I am the new coordinator, my language is not in your team list: http://l10n..gnome.org/teams/ So please help me start my new translation team. Mazdak ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
